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Post by abubu on Jun 5, 2011 5:19:23 GMT -5
<snip>...living life in order to get a car, house and get to blow your money every weekend at clubs or something isn't 'living it up', it's being a complacent cow on the chopping block, if you will. lol, I like you this way better too
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Post by japodian on Jun 12, 2011 22:02:57 GMT -5
From my point of view oldest by its name is definitely ancient Macedonia, Greek states then were a rambling bunch of quarreling entities. Longest life goes to Eastern Roman Empire cause it has lived for about a 1100 years. The country with longest life which now exists is Turkey, which in spite the regime changes in the beginning of 20th century retained its basic cultural and national identity.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 12, 2011 22:26:38 GMT -5
From my point of view oldest by its name is definitely ancient Macedonia, Greek states then were a rambling bunch of quarreling entities. Longest life goes to Eastern Roman Empire cause it has lived for about a 1100 years. The country with longest life which now exists is Turkey, which in spite the regime changes in the beginning of 20th century retained its basic cultural and national identity. are you a fyromac or a greek?
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Post by japodian on Jun 12, 2011 23:45:47 GMT -5
From my point of view oldest by its name is definitely ancient Macedonia, Greek states then were a rambling bunch of quarreling entities. Longest life goes to Eastern Roman Empire cause it has lived for about a 1100 years. The country with longest life which now exists is Turkey, which in spite the regime changes in the beginning of 20th century retained its basic cultural and national identity. are you a fyromac or a greek? Neither. My nickname speaks more from where I come from, it's not hard to conclude where it is. I both like Macedonia and Greece very much. I am an old user which came back to see how are things going here. I see that there are even some forums where my old account retained moderator status...
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Post by terroreign on Jun 13, 2011 0:29:58 GMT -5
are you a fyromac or a greek? Neither. My nickname speaks more from where I come from, it's not hard to conclude where it is. I both like Macedonia and Greece very much. I am an old user which came back to see how are things going here. I see that there are even some forums where my old account retained moderator status... sorry i am not aware of 'japodian''s significance, however now i know where you are from so my curiosity is satisfied. glad to see you have returned and hope you enjoy your stay here while it lasts.
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Post by japodian on Jun 13, 2011 1:03:03 GMT -5
Neither you should be aware of it, I haven't been here for a very long time. As for my original account moderator status I find it funny the list was not updated since then...
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 13, 2011 7:01:09 GMT -5
i don't the whiners are right, but at the same time i don't think the proud 9-5 guys are right either. living life in order to get a car, house and get to blow your money every weekend at clubs or something isn't 'living it up', it's being a complacent cow on the chopping block, if you will. I agree. It's one thing making money and this is often easier than people think. It's another thing saving it.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 13, 2011 7:03:34 GMT -5
Neither. My nickname speaks more from where I come from, it's not hard to conclude where it is. I both like Macedonia and Greece very much. I am an old user which came back to see how are things going here. I see that there are even some forums where my old account retained moderator status... sorry i am not aware of 'japodian''s significance, however now i know where you are from so my curiosity is satisfied. glad to see you have returned and hope you enjoy your stay here while it lasts. Japods were an ancient pre-Slav tribe that inhabited middle Croatia. If I'm not mistaking Japodian is a Serb from Croatia who shares AAdmin's views.
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Post by balkanac on Aug 22, 2011 1:42:41 GMT -5
Bulgaria is. All other countries had different names. But Bulgaria has still retained it's name from it's original kingdom.
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Post by ivo on Aug 22, 2011 8:43:57 GMT -5
Thank you sir.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 23, 2011 2:02:30 GMT -5
Bulgaria is. All other countries had different names. But Bulgaria has still retained it's name from it's original kingdom. Actually Macedonia is. From Kingdom of Macedonia, to Republic of Macedonia.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 23, 2011 7:41:55 GMT -5
Greece.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 23, 2011 18:26:23 GMT -5
greece was created in the 19th century. there was no hellenic city-state under the name of 'greece' in ancient times.
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Post by uz on Aug 23, 2011 18:59:08 GMT -5
Greek culture is most ancient, as in Kingdom it's most probable that its Bulgaria, as for name and ONLY name it is with no doubt Macedonia.
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Post by ivo on Aug 23, 2011 19:46:25 GMT -5
Fair assessment UZ.
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Post by uz on Aug 23, 2011 19:52:26 GMT -5
Then it would come to whether Macedonia's kingdom is older than the Bulgarian kingdoms. Neither the Mac's nor the Bulgs of today can claim identity to these ancient peoples.
I think by doing so, we are downplaying their acheivements and overstating our own.
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Post by ivo on Aug 24, 2011 8:14:12 GMT -5
I won't talk about the Macedonians.
But the old Bulgars have been an integral component of the the formation of the modern day Bulgarians, just as integral as the Slavs. And as such, I think our claim is righteous.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Aug 24, 2011 8:40:57 GMT -5
Bulgaria is. All other countries had different names. But Bulgaria has still retained it's name from it's original kingdom. We all gotta represent for our countries here but Croatia would fall into that category of retaining its name from its original kingdom. Only Croatia and Bulgaria as far as I know. Kingdom of what? lol Ivo ( like your Croatian name btw ) & Uz: Both of you have a good point. On the one hand nobody can really be familiar with the medieval ethnicities. Our definition of what's 'ethnic' arose merely two centuries ago and it identified an almost entirely different group of people that might call themselves by the same name. People , particularly Christians , in the Balkans conveniantly like to forget they were essentially culturally ( and even genetically) Turkish for 500 years and the modern 'ethnicity' has mostly Turkish/Oriental influence in it. On the other hand there is some continuity even though its been heavily turkified. Here is some news for Ivo though , those 'Old Bulgars' were absorbed into the Slavonic speaking people a very long time ago. If their blood remains its so insignificant that an African American would have more Scotch-Irish blood than a modern Bulgarian having old Bulgar blood. The Turkic or Iranian Bulgar line in modern Bulgarians has pretty much been diluted. However I do see Ivo's point. Even to this day its seems that the specific culture and language of Macedonia is unique to all except Bulgarians who share a common theme. I would count old Serbs into this as well as I believe the true Serbian language and heritige used to be a lot more like Bulgarian and Macedonian ( Eastern South Slavic) rather than like Croatian , Bosnian , and Slovenian ( Western South Slavic).
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Post by ivo on Aug 24, 2011 14:09:37 GMT -5
Lol thanks. However, Ivo is a common European name. I know the Dutch have it, I know its present in the Czech Republic, and I know Croats have it. It is also a relatively common Bulgarian name, however, in Bulgaria it is generally assumed that it is just a short form of either Ivan or Ivailo.
I did some research on it, it seems it's of Germanic origin.
This is more or less what was taught throughout communism. It was taught that the old Bulgars were so few that once they crossed South of the Danube they got fully absorbed by the "sea of Slavs" that were residing in the Balkans. These theories, however, are heavily reliant on interpretations derived from the great book of Stalin and his comrades on pan Slavism and whatnot. Contemporary historians seem to estimate the numbers of Asparuh's Bulgars at 20-30 times greater than they were estimated during communism. Furthermore, during communism the Kuber Bulgar group was entirely overlooked it seems. They migrated into present day Macedonia from Pannonia, eventually uniting with the Bulgars of Asparuch.
From what I've read, it appears that the role of the old Bulgars was significant in the formation of the modern day Bulgarian ethnos. It also seems that history is moving in the direction of emphasizing this integral component, much like it seems historians are moving toward favoring the Irannic origin theories.
Anyway, I won't get into a discussion about this mostly because it's irrelevant to my main topic of interest.. and that is Macedonia.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 24, 2011 18:18:32 GMT -5
So we are in agreement then, Macedonia is the oldest state in the Balkans. Since it's creation in 808BC, to it's inclusion as a Roman province, and later as a Byzantine Theme, and the Slavic state of Samuel, Macedonia was reborn as a Republic in Yugoslavia, and now an independent state. Macedonia continues as a state, as does the ancient Macedonian blood running through the veins of modern day Macedonians.
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