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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 10:10:10 GMT -5
A monk from Hungary visited Southern Albania in the mid-18th century: While visiting Greece in 1768, upon being called to a visit by "some Albanians", he stayed one year with them. He became familiar with the people and "learned Albanian". Dositej emphasizes their relation to the Serbs: "How (strange) it was for me to hear these same Albanians say, 'Whoever governs Serbia, and we too will acknowledge that ruler, because the Serb kings were ours once, too'".
Dositej continues about his tenure with the Albanians, "Not too far from Hormove, beautiful fields were described which the Albanians call 'Lepa-zhite'. I asked them what this meant. 'We don't know,' they told me. 'That's just the name of the field'.
When I clarified what this meant, telling them that this is a Serbian word, "Oh, holy man," they answered, "Don't be surprised; we were once one family and tribe with the Serblyans in ancient times".
The Cetinje Herald Dositej among the Albanians April. 2. 1911
you stole that from Novi .....
that story is no different than reading one of Pyrros's post of how he had parking problems
by some albagreks
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 10:14:48 GMT -5
But I believe Rezho's role is not to pose any real resistance to the common Logic. No he simply cant do this. Rezho's role is to eat away your strengths and resources . A troll. So its role is to stall you not stop you. I have long stopped giving it any attention.
My role is to bring you back home .....bro
wash the slav off of you with salt and vinegar and then after
they dry you off the vlahinka woman will spray honey and wine on you while dancing around you
and then polishing you off with some Windex being sprayed on you
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 10:37:48 GMT -5
A monk from Hungary visited Southern Albania in the mid-18th century: While visiting Greece in 1768, upon being called to a visit by "some Albanians", he stayed one year with them. He became familiar with the people and "learned Albanian". Dositej emphasizes their relation to the Serbs: "How (strange) it was for me to hear these same Albanians say, 'Whoever governs Serbia, and we too will acknowledge that ruler, because the Serb kings were ours once, too'".
Dositej continues about his tenure with the Albanians, "Not too far from Hormove, beautiful fields were described which the Albanians call 'Lepa-zhite'. I asked them what this meant. 'We don't know,' they told me. 'That's just the name of the field'.
When I clarified what this meant, telling them that this is a Serbian word, "Oh, holy man," they answered, "Don't be surprised; we were once one family and tribe with the Serblyans in ancient times".
The Cetinje Herald Dositej among the Albanians April. 2. 1911
you stole that from Novi .....
no I didn't
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 10:38:24 GMT -5
"Since the Illyrians are referred to for the last time as an ethnic group in Miracula Sancti Demetri (7th century AD), some scholars maintain that after the arrival of the Slavs the Illyrians were extinct."
wow ..same geographic area we Albanian n Vlachs reside today .....what a coincident
slavic lands
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 11:26:24 GMT -5
But I believe Rezho's role is not to pose any real resistance to the common Logic. No he simply cant do this. Rezho's role is to eat away your strengths and resources . A troll. So its role is to stall you not stop you. I have long stopped giving it any attention.
vlahinka
he'll be cursed by satan if he does that.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 11:38:50 GMT -5
saxon curse ?
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 11:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 12:05:32 GMT -5
Albanians originate from Illyrians, one of the indigenous peoples of the Balkan Peninsula. They are the descendants of the Illyrian tribes that, living in isolated mountain areas, although to some extent Romanized under the rule of the ancient Rome, avoided assimilation to the Slavs invading the area sometime during the seventh century.
(The rule of law in comparative perspective, Mortimer Sellers, Tadeusz Tomaszewski – 2010, p.202)
"Yet modern Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who in the fifth century bc were mentioned by the Greeks as inhabiting the peninsula together with the Thracians". Eagles in cobwebs: nationalism and communism in the Balkans, Paul Lendvai,1969, p. 28:
Harvard Slavic studies: Volume 1, 1953, p.365: "...the Albanians (descendants of the aboriginal Illyrians and Thracians)"
The International geographic encyclopedia and atlas, Houghton Mifflin Company,1979,p. 14: "The Albanians are reputedly descendants of Illyrian and Thracian tribes".
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 12:08:26 GMT -5
Albanians originate from Illyrians, one of the indigenous peoples of the Balkan Peninsula. They are the descendants of the Illyrian tribes that, living in isolated mountain areas, although to some extent Romanized under the rule of the ancient Rome, avoided assimilation to the Slavs invading the area sometime during the seventh century.
(The rule of law in comparative perspective, Mortimer Sellers, Tadeusz Tomaszewski – 2010, p.202)
"Yet modern Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who in the fifth century bc were mentioned by the Greeks as inhabiting the peninsula together with the Thracians". Eagles in cobwebs: nationalism and communism in the Balkans, Paul Lendvai,1969, p. 28:
Harvard Slavic studies: Volume 1, 1953, p.365: "...the Albanians (descendants of the aboriginal Illyrians and Thracians)"
The International geographic encyclopedia and atlas, Houghton Mifflin Company,1979,p. 14: "The Albanians are reputedly descendants of Illyrian and Thracian tribes".
The dispersal of Slavs in the southern Balkans following the siege of Thessaloniki resulted in the occupation of Prevalitania and the region south of the Shkumbi River, a distribution indicated by place-names of Slavic origin. John Wilkes The Illyrians Chapter: Prehistoric Illyrians Page: 273 blackwell Publishers 1992
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 12:11:42 GMT -5
Bulgarian expansionist period n the powerful church
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 12:11:58 GMT -5
"The once important Serbian influence in Albania has left few vestiges, other than Slavic place names, and the presence of a few islands of Moslem Serb speakers in the mountains, as in the Gora district of Luma".
Carleton Stevens Coon
Races of Europe
(Chapter XII, section 12)
1939
"Roman treatment of Illyrians south of the Drin had reached a brutal climax following the victory over Macedonia in 168 BC. In attacks by the Roman army on Macedonian allies in northern Epirus and Illyris, 70 communities were destroyed, 150 000 of the population enslaved and the countryside devastated."
A century & a half later, Strabo records:
"...at the present time desolation prevails in most parts, while in the areas still inhabited they survive only in the villages and among the ruins".
John Wilkes
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 12:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 12:22:16 GMT -5
this topic is Albanians + - Illyrians
go find your "where slavs come from" topic some other place..or go start one
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 12:32:46 GMT -5
this topic is Albanians + - Illyrians
go find your "where slavs come from" topic some other place..or go start one
"Roman treatment of Illyrians south of the Drin had reached a brutal climax following the victory over Macedonia in 168 BC. In attacks by the Roman army on Macedonian allies in northern Epirus and Illyris, 70 communities were destroyed, 150 000 of the population enslaved and the countryside devastated." A century & a half later, Strabo records: "...at the present time desolation prevails in most parts, while in the areas still inhabited they survive only in the villages and among the ruins". John Wilkes
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 12:49:18 GMT -5
"The Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians. who lived in central Albania Europe and migrated southward to the Gulf of Arta in northern Greece by the beginning of the Iron Age". The New Encyclopaedia Britannica: Volume 1, 2005
They are strewn with the wreckage of dead Empires – past Powers – only the Albanian "goes on for ever." - Edith Durham
Historical evidence links present-day Albanians directly with the Illyrians, Trojans, Thracians, Dalmatians and the ancient tribes of Epirus. Despite all the efforts of politically committed researchers over past few decades, it is difficult to dispute this proposition.
Yugoslavia and after: a study in fragmentation, despair and rebirth, David A. Dyker, Ivan Vejvoda, Longman, 1996, p. 236
"The Albanians are generally considered to be the most ancient ethnic group in Southeastern Europe. They are the descendants of pre-Hellenic stock that was pushed back into the mountains of the western Balkans by the Hellenes and the Slavs. In this respect the Albanians may be compared to the Celts of the British Isles who were forced into the mountains of Wales, Scotland, and Ireland by the Anglo-Saxon invaders. The Albanian language is organically distinct from the neighboring Slavic and Greek languages in the same manner that the Celtic language is different from the Germanic".
The Balkans since 1453, Leften Stavros Stavrianos, Traian Stoianovich, C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2008, p. 496-497
Albanians are the only Balkan nation, apart from the Greeks, which did not undergo assimilation to a Slavic language. Albanians are direct descendants of the Illyrians...
Ethnic groups and population changes in twentieth-century ... - Page 356, Piotr Eberhardt - 2003
“The characteristics and mode of lide of these people are obscure, but it is thought that, of the two, the Illyrians were the later comers who drove the Thracians eastward into the central Balkan regions. By some authorities the modern Albanians are thought to represent the only relic of the ancient Illyrian population that has survived to the present day”.
A short history of Yugoslavia from early times to 1966 By Stephen Clissold, Henry Clifford Darby, p. 8
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 13:07:34 GMT -5
this is all you can do, can't argue for yourself so you post works of others, annnnnnnnnnnnywaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy Skanderbeg was half Serbian
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 13:10:00 GMT -5
"Pyrrhus king of Epirus invaded Italy with a formidable Greek profeesional hoplite army" .
Bernstein, Alvin H.; Murray, Williamson; Knox, MacGregor (1996). The Making of strategy: rulers, states, and war. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-56627-4.
"The particulars of these with Pyrrhus of the Greek kingdom of Epirus."
Jones, Archer (2001). The art of war in the Western world. Urbana: University of Illinois Press. p. 32. ISBN 0-252-06966-8.
"Pyrrhus' Greek troops were tactically superior to the Roman army and he was never defeated in battle."
Christopher Mackay (2004). Ancient Rome: a military and political history. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. pp. 49. ISBN 0-521-80918-5.
"...before Pyrrhus no contact with Greece after Pyrrhus Rome and Greece in tandem"
Feeney, Denis (2007). Caesar's calendar: ancient time and the beginnings of history. Berkeley: University of California Press. pp. 38. ISBN 0-520-25119-9.
"the Greek adventurer king Pyrrhus"
Saylor, Steven (2007). Roma: the novel of ancient Rome. New York: St. Martin's Press. pp. 332. ISBN 0-312-32831-1.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 13:11:49 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 13:15:42 GMT -5
Albanians are descended from the Illyrians, an ancient people settled in the mountains of the southwest from at least 1000 BC. Their difficult and remote terrain has enabled their language and culture to escape assimilation. Encyclopedia of World Geography: Eastern Europe - Page 1830, Peter Haggett - 2002
The original territory of the Albanians, in the high mountains from Kruje to the Sar range, represented the contraction of unlatinized Illyrians, who eluded the Roman assimilatory faculties
The national question in Yugoslavia: origins, history, politics - Page 46 Ivo Banač - 1988
From this Celto - lllyrian stock the modern Albanian descends. He is thus the oldest inhabitant of the Balkan peninsula, and the tact that he has survived the successive invasion and rule of the Romans, Bulgars.
Peoples of all nations: their life to-day and the story of their past: Volume 1; Volume 1, Sir John Alexander Hammerton, Sir John Alexander Hammerton, 1922
Albania was here before Greece knew an existence. The racial stock of Albania ties back further into the past than do the Greeks. Of all the people of southeast Europe the Albanians are the oldest. They have better claim to having been the fundamental stock in this part of the world than any other.
Our World, Volume 4, The Houston Publishing Company, Inc, Jan 1, 1923, p. 66
The Albanians are an Indo-Europian race speaking a language frequently believed to be the oldest in Europe…’ Eastern Europe in the twentieth century By R.J.Crampton page 22 (1994)
“The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula…’ The world book: organized knowledge in story and picture - Page 147 by Michael Vincent O'Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke - Juvenile Nonfiction - 1917
"The Albanians are the oldest people of the Balkans" The new republic - Page 197 by Herbert David Croly - 1969
"Between the Albanian and the Slav there stand centuries of hatred and blood feud. The Albanian regards the Slav as an intruder and a robber; the Slav looks on the Albanian as an inconvenient person who, though occasionally beaten, has always refused to be conquered; and, having the inestimable advantage of being more skilled in literature, he has consistently represented the voiceless Albanian as a brigand and a plunderer of Slav villages. As a matter of history, the boot is on the other foot. Setting aside the fact that both Albanian and Slav can be, and are, brigands on occasion, the Albanian and his kindred had been for centuries quarrelling comfortably among themselves when the Slav hordes poured across the Danube, and drove the old inhabitants by sheer weight of numbers from the plains to the uplands, and from the uplands to the mountains ... In every town and district which the Slavs can claim by right of conquest under some nebulous and transitory Empire, the Albanians can oppose the title of original ownership of the soil from ages when neither history nor the Slavs were known in the Balkans"
Wadham Peacock 1913 'The Wild Albanian'
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 7, 2018 13:21:37 GMT -5
Demographic history of Kosovo
1321-1331-Serbs 96,6%
1455-13 000 serb houses, 46 albanian houses
1520-1525-Serbs 94%
1591-Prizren-Serbian with small number of albanians, Gora-Serbian, Opolje-Albanian
17c- The war of 1683–1699 between the Ottomans and the Habsburgs led to the flight of a substantial part of Serbian population to Austrian held Vojvodina and the Military Frontier - about 37,000 families of Serb refugees were led by Patriarch Arsenije III Crnojević settled in the Habsburg Monarchy, mostly from today's Kosovo. And then again, from the period between 1717 and 1737, the Second Migration of Serbs.
19c-
19th century data about the population of Kosovo tend to be rather conflicting, giving sometimes numerical superiority to the Serbs and sometimes to the Albanians.
A study in 1838 by an Austrian physician, dr. Joseph Müller found Metohija to be mostly Slavic (Serbian) in character. Müller gives data for the three counties (Bezirke) of Prizren, Pec and Djakovica which roughly covered Dukagjini , the portion adjacent to Albania and most affected by Albanian settlers. Out of 195,000 inhabitants in Dukagjini, Müller found:
114,000 Muslims (58%):
c. 38,000 are Serbs(19%)
c. 86,000 are Albanians (39%)
Christians:
73,572 Eastern Orthodox Serb(38%)
5,120 Roman Catholic Albanians (3%)
2,308 other non-Muslims
Müller's observations on towns:
Peć: 11,050 Serbs, 500 Albanians
Prizren: 16,800 Serbs, 6159 Albanians
Đakovica: majority of Albanians, surrounding villages Serbian
A study done in 1871 by Austrian colonel Peter Kukulj for the internal use of the Austro-Hungarian army showed that the mutesarifluk of Prizren (corresponding largely to present-day Kosovo) had some 500,000 inhabitants, of which:
318,000 Serbs (64%),
161,000 Albanians (32%),
10,000 Roma
2,000 Turks
Modern Serbian sources estimated that around 400,000 Serbs were cleansed out of the Kosovo between 1876 and 1912, especially during the Greek-Ottoman wars in 1897.
1921- Albanian 65.8%, Serb 26%
1931- Muslims 378,981 muslims, 150,745 Serbs
WWII-During World War II , with the fall of Yugoslavia in 1941, Italians placed the land inhabited by ethnic Albanians under the jurisdiction of an Albanian quisling government. That included Kosovo .
Kosovo's inclusion into a geo-political Albanian entity was followed by extensive persecution of non-Albanians (mostly Serbs) by Albanian fascists. Most of the war crimes were perpetrated by the Skenderbeg SS Division and the Balli Kombetar . Some 10,000 to 30,000 Serbs were killed and another 100,000 driven out.
the then Prime Minister Mustafa Kruja of Albania , was in Kosovo in June 1942, and at a meeting with the Albanian leaders of Kosovo, he said: "We should endeavor to ensure that the Serb population of Kosovo be – the area be cleansed of them and all Serbs who had been living there for centuries should be termed colonialists and sent to concentration camps in Albania. The Serb settlers should be killed."
In April 1943, Heinrich Himmler created division manned by Albanian and Kosovar Albanian volunteers . From August 1944, the division participated in operations against Yugoslav Partisans and in massacring local Serbs population.
Albanians in Kosovo after World WarII:
1948-498,244 68.5%
1953-524,559 64.9%
1961-646,605 67.1%
1971-916,168 73.7%
1981-1,226,736 77.4%
1991-1,596,072 81.6%
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