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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 7, 2011 21:51:46 GMT -5
The Pontic Greeks are more Asian than European. I talked to one several years back and he admitted he was mixed. No shame in that. Just look at Bactria. What were those Hellenes supposed to do? They were stuck in Asia and remained there for a millennia to come. Asian as in what? And he said was mixed with?
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2011 23:08:43 GMT -5
Why should I be paranoid? or fanatic? I am neither, I do not try to prove anything. You are trying to prove your direct connection to the ancient Greeks, which really isn't very reasonable. 99% of the Scientists(Anthropologiss, Geneticists etc) agree with me not with you...you are alone in this and you will stay like that forever. Keep disproving and disputing the Scientists...
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2011 23:12:09 GMT -5
The Pontic Greeks are more Asian than European. Yes, and you are more a Turko-Bulgar Asian Mongol than European as well. Pontic Greeks are Greeks and Europeans. You keep banding your nonsense.
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Post by emer on Jun 7, 2011 23:14:43 GMT -5
Why should I be paranoid? or fanatic? I am neither, I do not try to prove anything. You are trying to prove your direct connection to the ancient Greeks, which really isn't very reasonable. I do not think all Greeks hate me, in fact I know they don't. Thank god for the "real world". No wonder there are so many uprising in Greece... it's certainly not against the Turks. I agree with this...anything someone doesn't understand about the ancient world and it's Greek. Historians don't always base their research on the truth that's for sure.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2011 23:17:36 GMT -5
Well I recently found out I had Greeks in my family, and they were from Istanbul and Antalya, they emigrated to Cyprus in the 1500's. Therefore as a FACT I know that Greeks did mix. In fact I have met LOTS of Turks that have mixed Greek and Turk, Pomak and Turk, Albanian and Turk background. These are the ones that stayed Muslim. On the other hand there are certainly Greeks and Albanians that were Christian along with Bulgarian and Greek, Serb and Greek, even Gagauz Turk and Greek, that were sent to Greece when it was being created. Why didn't the Muslim Greeks go to Greece? they were speaking fluent Greek and were ethnically Greek? The reason is because, the nation state of Greece was created with the mindset that it would be a "Christian" country only. That's your own nonsense and thoughts, if you can prove what you say, as for the number of those "mixed" Greeks you said, it was very very small and insignificant as well.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2011 23:24:29 GMT -5
Even if we look at Aydin for example, the people there are probably more connected to the ancient Greeks than Hellenas LOL. The only LOL here is you and I am 1000% Hellenas as most of Greeks are, you like it or you don't like it. We will trust the Scientists not you.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jun 7, 2011 23:53:47 GMT -5
The only person you use to justify your ideas is Coon. Coon isn't a scientist. Coon isn't even relevant in todays modern anthropology circles, Coon wasn't great at interpreting data.
Nobody else.
Mr Vlasis Agtzidis, a modern history professor has even written how the Muslim Greeks and the Christian Greeks fought one another. Therefore Christianity being the main focus for Nationality, and not ethnicity.
Which scientist am I disproving by saying there is a significant mix in Greece? can u please tell me.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 8, 2011 0:14:29 GMT -5
The only person you use to justify your ideas is Coon. Coon isn't a scientist. Coon isn't even relevant in todays modern anthropology circles, Coon wasn't great at interpreting data. Nobody else. You are a liar. So far I have use, besides Coon, Angel, Buxton, Poulianos and some more as well. Anyway, everybody can find everything here: dienekes.110mb.com/racialreality.110mb.com/greeks.htmlhellas2010.proboards.comOpen your blind eyes and start reading. The modern inhabitants of Greece itself differ surprisingly little from their classical predecessors.carnby.altervista.org/troe/05-04.htmIt is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks; such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character. It is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite.carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-14.htmJ. Lawrence Angel noted that from the earliest times to the present racial continuity in Greece is striking.Buxton who had earlier studied Greek skeletal material and measured modern Greeks, especially in Cyprus, finds that the modern Greeks possess physical characteristics not differing essentially from those of the former [ancient Greeks].Finally, a more recent statistical comparison of ancient and modern Greek skulls resulted in the discovery of a remarkable similarity in craniofacial morphology between modern and ancient Greeks.dienekes.110mb.com/articles/fallmerayer/Poulianos’ conclusions of Greek continuity are not simply the wishful thinking of a modern Greek. In a critical review of his book , J. Lawrence Angel states that “Poulianos is correct in pointing out ... that there is complete continuity genetically from ancient to modern times.”[/u] dienekes.110mb.com/articles/hellenes/
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Post by ioan on Jun 8, 2011 2:58:47 GMT -5
Nonsense and anti-Greek bulgrarian propaganda, open a book of history and a book of Anthropology you illiterate bulgo. he is not Bulgarian, he is ROMAnian .
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jun 8, 2011 5:52:00 GMT -5
Well here are the MODERN Historians that disagree with you:
Anthony D. Smith (born 1933) is Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity at the London School of Economics, and is considered one of the founders of the interdisciplinary field of nationalism studies
Another:
Siimon Mcllwaine, The Strange Case of the Invisible Minorities, Institutional Racism in the Greek State, International Society for Human Rights, British Section, Dec 1993
Of course I know you will dismiss these as "Anti-Greek, propoganda, enemy of the Greeks" so I won't continue putting all their names. The nice thing is that they are actually not from some racist propaganda website, but actually real modern professors of history and journalists...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jun 8, 2011 6:49:51 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I am not saying that there aren't many people who do descend from the ancient. What I am saying is, there has ALSO been a huge mix into the system too.
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Post by Anittas on Jun 8, 2011 6:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 8, 2011 23:05:50 GMT -5
Well here are the MODERN Historians that disagree with you: Anthony D. Smith (born 1933) is Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity at the London School of Economics, and is considered one of the founders of the interdisciplinary field of nationalism studies Another: Siimon Mcllwaine, The Strange Case of the Invisible Minorities, Institutional Racism in the Greek State, International Society for Human Rights, British Section, Dec 1993 Of course I know you will dismiss these as "Anti-Greek, propoganda, enemy of the Greeks" so I won't continue putting all their names. The nice thing is that they are actually not from some racist propaganda website, but actually real modern professors of history and journalists... You are a Turk, this mean anti-Greek by nature, the Turks are our enemies= FACT as well. BUT, we don't want/need your Turkish opinion about modern Greeks anyway. The only thing I can say of what you posted is that those two modern British pseudo-historians(or even better paid agents of our enemies, Sionists, Scopjans, Turks and other anti-Greeks) cannot compare their selves to all those Anthropologists/Scientists I posted, neither to the conclusion of 28 European and American Universities which proved that the DNA of the modern Greeks is exactly the same as that of the ancient Greeks(sorry to all readers, I haven't find yet the studies in the internet). Your British "historians" sound just like those Scopjan geneticists who "proved" that the Greeks are of sub-saharan origin. PS. I never posted anything from any "racist propaganda website", just from scientific websites and Greek, Italian patriot websites that defend their people from Nazis/Nordicists.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 8, 2011 23:07:27 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I am not saying that there aren't many people who do descend from the ancient. What I am saying is, there has ALSO been a huge mix into the system too. No one cares what our enemies say and spread.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 8, 2011 23:10:47 GMT -5
he is not Bulgarian, he is ROMAnian . Really? I thought from his pseudonym/nick name(Bulgarianempire) that he was a Bulgarian. Thanks for informing me anyway.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 8, 2011 23:14:49 GMT -5
Your link is so funny as you are as well.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jun 9, 2011 7:36:59 GMT -5
Hellenas, you really are brainwashed. I just feel sorry for you. I certainly do not hate any nation, I do not deem anyone as my "enemy" unless they try to harm me or my family and even then I would try to be reasonable about it. This is obviously a lie, since no such study exists. Unless somehow the scientists and anthropologists, time warped themselves back to the times of the ancient Greeks and took various DNA samples to compare with the modern population of Greece. I can only assume you are trolling or are a paranoid schitzo. At times you behave normally, but usually you are irrational and illogical. Good day
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jun 9, 2011 8:20:43 GMT -5
Oh, I met a lovely Greek Cypriot guy today. He is married to a Turkish girl. As you can see, Turks and Greeks are not enemies.
The important thing in life is to be a compassionate, understanding, human being first and then a "nationality".
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Post by Anittas on Jun 9, 2011 11:15:43 GMT -5
Hellenas is a retard.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 10, 2011 2:53:03 GMT -5
new retard-list?
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