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Post by Sokol on Oct 6, 2011 0:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by srbobran on Oct 6, 2011 12:08:30 GMT -5
Yes Chento be proud that your ethnic kin are being sent to somne shithole they have no business in to die for another government's interest. Tell me, what have the Afghani people done to Macedonia to warrant this aggression?
But alas, its all politics. Macedonia's government is smart, they're aligned themselves with whoever is strong at the moment and Serbia needs to start doing the same. Small nations can't survive on their own. It just makes me sad that dignity, honor, and morality have no politics or war anymore.
As for Chetniks, I don't support them. The Partisans got shit done (and not to sound like an ass but they were a majority Serb organization throughout their existance if you need a source I'll provde one) so don't act like Serbs were just Nazi collaborators and the rest of Yugoslavia liberated itself. Serbs were the (relative) majoirty in the Chetniks AND Partisans (and don't think I'm negating other people's contributions).
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Post by Sokol on Oct 6, 2011 17:29:17 GMT -5
Yes Chento be proud that your ethnic kin are being sent to somne s**thole they have no business in to die for another government's interest. Tell me, what have the Afghani people done to Macedonia to warrant this aggression? But alas, its all politics. Macedonia's government is smart, they're aligned themselves with whoever is strong at the moment and Serbia needs to start doing the same. Small nations can't survive on their own. It just makes me sad that dignity, honor, and morality have no politics or war anymore. As for Chetniks, I don't support them. The Partisans got s**t done (and not to sound like an ass but they were a majority Serb organization throughout their existance if you need a source I'll provde one) so don't act like Serbs were just Nazi collaborators and the rest of Yugoslavia liberated itself. Serbs were the (relative) majoirty in the Chetniks AND Partisans (and don't think I'm negating other people's contributions). Yes, I am proud of Macedonia's contribution to the war on terror. I couldn't give a fuck about the Afghan people, just like the Americans and all others. This is not what the war is about. Every one has their interests, and Macedonia is pursuing its own. As for Serbs as Chetniks and Partizans, agreed, they were the majority in both. This is why YU was essentially a Serb-run dominion for the benefit of the Serbs. I'm glad it's dead and Macedonia is free. |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 6, 2011 22:27:07 GMT -5
^Correct. Interests are interests and your government is doing a good job pursuing them.
Maybe the Kingdom of Yugoslavia but SFRJ? Are you joking? SFRJ was the first time Macedonia had any autonomy in its history (let alone its own republic etc.) Macedonia (and the rest of us) had it good under Yugoslavia. It was the ONLY time we ever mattered on a global scale and the only time we EVER will.
Yugoslavia had the necessary strength and resources to say no to strong countries when it wanted because it was strong. You're free now? If being free implies sending your kin to die for American interests than I'd rather be a slave. Nations don't exist on the Balkans anymore, were all just a bunch of pussy ass lapdogs for foreign interests. And you're free, gimme a fucking break.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 6, 2011 23:19:39 GMT -5
^Correct. Interests are interests and your government is doing a good job pursuing them. Maybe the Kingdom of Yugoslavia but SFRJ? Are you joking? SFRJ was the first time Macedonia had any autonomy in its history (let alone its own republic etc.) Macedonia (and the rest of us) had it good under Yugoslavia. It was the ONLY time we ever mattered on a global scale and the only time we EVER will. Yugoslavia had the necessary strength and resources to say no to strong countries when it wanted because it was strong. You're free now? If being free implies sending your kin to die for American interests than I'd rather be a slave. Nations don't exist on the Balkans anymore, were all just a bunch of p**y ass lapdogs for foreign interests. And you're free, gimme a f**king break. if SFRJ was fucking great, then a large part of my people would not have had to emigrate all over the globe to escape this magical wonderland...give me a fucking break! |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 7, 2011 13:08:49 GMT -5
And you're telling me its better to be the world's bitch? SFRJ was the first time Macedonia (and for that matter basically any Yugoslav country) MATTERED on a global scale. The first we could do anything of importance. Now, were essentially nothing but prostitute "states".
SFRJ could have worked, and will it did, it was UNDENIABLY better than anything we have now or probably anything we will ever have. The problem is the political system didn't reform when it should have and people were too goddamn impulsive.
And as a side note, if SFRJ didn't come about, there's no chance in hell there would have been an independent Macedonia after World War II. The great powers wouldn't allow and it probably would have been partitioned. Instead, you got a an autonomous republic that PROMOTED Macedonian cultural and ethnic identity (and actually tried vigorously to incorporate Agean and Pirin Macedonia as well). SFRJ did wonders for Macedonia. You really can't complain, there was no war in Macedonia (due to its breakup), the government poured millions to try and industrialize it, you got your autonomy, and it promoted Macedonian identity.
So again tell me, how is Macedonia in any way "free" right now?
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Post by uz on Oct 7, 2011 16:01:49 GMT -5
Putting all the gritty details aside, Yugoslavia represented sovereignty which ever way one looks at it. It may sound sour as it kind of does to me, but it's the truth.
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Post by srbobran on Oct 7, 2011 18:24:59 GMT -5
^It does. The very IDEA of Yugoslavia was self determination for the South Slavs and even though the Kingdom of Yugoslavia wasn't a prime example, SFRJ was definitely a better stab at it.
We had the strength to start a global movement (non aligned movement) back then. Two more years of existence, Yugoslavia would have a nuclear arsenal (see how much the West would push us around if we had this). Look at us now. It actually makes me sad what we've been reduced to.
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Post by uz on Oct 7, 2011 18:31:07 GMT -5
But it all makes sense, doesn't it ?
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Post by srbobran on Oct 7, 2011 18:56:09 GMT -5
What do you mean by that?
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Post by uz on Oct 7, 2011 19:04:40 GMT -5
It makes sense that Yugoslavia had to disintergrate.
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Post by srbobran on Oct 8, 2011 12:23:50 GMT -5
^Exactly. I just wish more people would see this. The EU, aligning with America, or even aligning with Russia (as much as I like them) will never give us true independence. Unfortunately its looking more and more like we have no choice.
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Post by uz on Oct 8, 2011 16:10:24 GMT -5
Russia probably wont be any better but from a Balkano-Slav perspective it can mean more stability, and even security. Serbia with the EU puppets pushing her around, does not have a voice. To make things worse Tadic and co. aren't even saying much out of cowardness.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 8, 2011 19:59:44 GMT -5
And you're telling me its better to be the world's bitch? SFRJ was the first time Macedonia (and for that matter basically any Yugoslav country) MATTERED on a global scale. The first we could do anything of importance. Now, were essentially nothing but prostitute "states". SFRJ could have worked, and will it did, it was UNDENIABLY better than anything we have now or probably anything we will ever have. The problem is the political system didn't reform when it should have and people were too goddamn impulsive. And as a side note, if SFRJ didn't come about, there's no chance in hell there would have been an independent Macedonia after World War II. The great powers wouldn't allow and it probably would have been partitioned. Instead, you got a an autonomous republic that PROMOTED Macedonian cultural and ethnic identity (and actually tried vigorously to incorporate Agean and Pirin Macedonia as well). SFRJ did wonders for Macedonia. You really can't complain, there was no war in Macedonia (due to its breakup), the government poured millions to try and industrialize it, you got your autonomy, and it promoted Macedonian identity. So again tell me, how is Macedonia in any way "free" right now? this is true to some degree, but Macedonians were Yugoslavs first, and Macedonians second. |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 9, 2011 1:07:27 GMT -5
What's wrong with that? Where has being Macedonian first gotten you? (A poor, corrupt country with half the country hijacked by Albanians who do whatever they want). This would never happen if Yugoslavia was around (that Albanians literally have the government at its knees trying to please them) and neither would Kosovo and neither would anyone who tried to fuck with us. Truth.
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Post by uz on Oct 9, 2011 11:42:45 GMT -5
This^ is true, no Yugoslav can deny this.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 9, 2011 17:30:23 GMT -5
What's wrong with that? Where has being Macedonian first gotten you? (A poor, corrupt country with half the country hijacked by Albanians who do whatever they want). This would never happen if Yugoslavia was around (that Albanians literally have the government at its knees trying to please them) and neither would Kosovo and neither would anyone who tried to f**k with us. Truth. Do you prefer being Yugoslav or being Serb? |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 10, 2011 10:55:48 GMT -5
I identify as Serb because Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. But if it did, I would proudly call myself a Yugoslav (in my opinion "insert South Slav ethnicity" and Yugoslav go hand in hand). And this coming from someone who truly loves Serbia.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Oct 10, 2011 12:29:01 GMT -5
Yeah, Yugoslavia was so great that it fell in chaos after one man died :facepalm:
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Post by srbobran on Oct 10, 2011 14:22:13 GMT -5
I'm saying that idea of Yugoslavia is a great one. And while Tito was alive, SFRJ was a great country. Unfortunately he did very little to ensure the country's success for after he died.
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