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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 15:07:29 GMT -5
Orthodox Albanians in Macedonia are a community that is not officially recognized, although they are a reality and the reality around them is a silent issue. Are in a small number, those who declare that they are Albanians, but with the Orthodox religion. Branko Manolovski (pictured) is the Albanian Orthodox, a patriot that told the story of his family, the truth of today′s orthodox people, and remission of their roots. The villages of Reka and Gostivar and also settlements in the southeastern part of Macedonia were once populated areas with majority Albanian Orthodox religion. Manolovski told that after the Serbian occupation since 1913 began the assimilation of Orthodox Albanians and was put pressure on these areas to change their surnames. According to him, academics, prominent personalities from various fields of politics, literature, art and other fields that are Albanian Orthodox, but they declared publicly that they are Macedonians. Former President of the Macedonian Academy of Sciences, Mateja Matevski is Albanian,but Matevski continues to silent that his parents were Albanian
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 18, 2011 18:52:34 GMT -5
Theyre slowly coming out of the woodwork and hopping on tge bandwagon. They see the power we have gained in the region. My question to yoou rex, do we really want them back?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 18, 2011 19:19:03 GMT -5
That girl on the left looks niceeee.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 19:26:21 GMT -5
Theyre slowly coming out of the woodwork and hopping on tge bandwagon. They see the power we have gained in the region. My question to yoou rex, do we really want them back? even Albanians in small villages know of the so called Mac slavs true roots ....but they don't bother refuting them ....this fella here has opened the door for a revival of the truth..others will follow ... of course .... ....blood is blood WELCOME HOME I SAY ! but many wont admit it..... you would be surprised how many Albanian haters we have just on our forum that have Albanian roots
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Post by uz on Jul 18, 2011 19:34:34 GMT -5
Rex, in your opinion why would they deny?
Denial of one's ethnic background is a lot more common than we think.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 18, 2011 19:42:28 GMT -5
Theyre slowly coming out of the woodwork and hopping on tge bandwagon. They see the power we have gained in the region. My question to yoou rex, do we really want them back? of course .... ....blood is blood WELCOME HOME I SAY ! but many wont admit it..... you would be surprised how many Albanian haters we have just on our forum that have Albanian roots I respectfully disagree with you. When we had a need for these people they were nowhere to be found. Exactly blood is blood and they have intermarried with slavs for a few generations now.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 18, 2011 19:46:03 GMT -5
Are these orthodox Albanians converted or have they been this religion for ages? I know most Albanians of Gostivar, their ancestors were Catholic. How did these orthodox of reka and dufi come about?
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 19:51:22 GMT -5
Rex, in your opinion why would they deny? Denial of one's ethnic background is a lot more common than we think. well that's what happens in a strong assimilation process and is some cases its an ironic survival technique If you know your balkan thang ...you know its fact that Albanians have never tried or wanted to assimilate other peoples
but more the other way around ....The Romans, Byzantines, Ottoman and the Slav have tried and have somewhat accomplished
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 19:59:35 GMT -5
Are these orthodox Albanians converted or have they been this religion for ages? I know most Albanians of Gostivar, their ancestors were Catholic. How did these orthodox of reka and dufi come about? the Christian faith that the majority of Albanians embraced didn't even do a good job at that ...just like the Muslim Faith .....cant you tell so I dont differentiate between Catholic or Orthodox Albanian and its not simply bcs I am Muslim .....and in some cases even to themselves .... the Road of Egnatia was the dividing line for that Catholics north of it and orthodox south of it .....but what about before The Great Schism.....and let alone the buffer zones between the line that divided families and other kin and intermarriages lets not get into any religious stuff here ....but you think the oldest Churches in Kosova and beyond were Orthodox originally ....of course not ....Catholic !
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Post by uz on Jul 18, 2011 20:08:37 GMT -5
Albanians or Illyrians? lol Anyway many Albanians assimilated willingly, maybe this is the same case. I do see what shqipni13 means, and understand where he is coming from. I would feel the same, and kinda do.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 20:09:09 GMT -5
of course .... ....blood is blood WELCOME HOME I SAY ! but many wont admit it..... you would be surprised how many Albanian haters we have just on our forum that have Albanian roots I respectfully disagree with you. When we had a need for these people they were nowhere to be found. Exactly blood is blood and they have intermarried with slavs for a few generations now. well....I understand what your saying but you sort of have to put yourself in these peoples situation at the time ...being religion was a touchy thing back then or safely to say made to be do you know that there are some mixed villages of Albs and slavs and the slavs would protect vehemently the interest of their Albanian neighbors and vice-verse when it came to any outsider. ....There are blood ties there that are instinctive ....regardless what politics say in the past many areas of Kosova and Macedonia its Albanian Muslims that are the key keepers of many churches ..even today in some cases .....why ? bcs it stayed in that families name from way back and they carry on regardless that they are today of differ religion
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Post by uz on Jul 18, 2011 20:11:23 GMT -5
Yes, I beleive this is why we call you Sqiptar (or however it's spelt), I beleive there is a connection with the church-icon-banners. I was told Sqiptar "used" to be considered an honor, but I guess now it depends on the context.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 20:19:05 GMT -5
Just like Montenegro have many of its clans which originate with Albanian clans ..same thing applies in Macedonia ....
we know of many slavic clans in Macedonia that originate Albanian ...in most cases Assimilation process successful ....but both people know ...regardless of what they say or if they say ...
then we have small isolated villages that only speak Slavic but they will tell you in Slavic that they are Albanian ...I have seen this for myself ....they tell outsiders ....but may not even tell their own children and that's whats creates problems sometimes
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 20:28:26 GMT -5
Albanians or Illyrians? lol Anyway many Albanians assimilated willingly, maybe this is the same case. I do see what shqipni13 means, and understand where he is coming from. I would feel the same, and kinda do. well I have said in the past ...there are differ types of assimilation's *a wanted Assimilation .....like me being American or Canaris being Canadian ......our kids ....forgetaboutit *a forced assimilation ....forced upon you and not wanted ,but eventually takes hold unless you move out of area ....and that's one of the reasons for imposing the assimilation from the get go .... but when ones whole world is only the valley that they reside in and the idea of moving whole clans who's soil has been theirs forever .The elders will do whatever its takes to hold ground and keep the peace . if your talking about Albanians recently in Italy or Greece ....that's different that's economic survival instincts .... its not permanent dont worry
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Post by uz on Jul 18, 2011 20:29:18 GMT -5
The Turks were most successful with the last part you said.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 18, 2011 20:36:16 GMT -5
I dont speak turkish ...I can gladly say its almost extinct ...besides a small small amout of turkofils ....but their end is near also besides 1/2 your slavic kin went Turkish ways ...discuss with them leave my people out ... besides ...if ottomans wanted total conversion in balkans they could of had it easily with snap of their fingers ...but that's not what their purpose was ...empire making was .... with us it was/ what I say : for most of us and 1/2 your kin for the killing of sultans and for taking part in battles somewhere in Kosova as punishment brankovic leftovers got roads,bridges and fountains where as we gained mosques and jails see how that works
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 18, 2011 20:53:37 GMT -5
^Where you from rex? I think you mentioned being from Strugë but I'm not sure. The turkofils are quite a large number in Gostivar.
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Post by uz on Jul 18, 2011 21:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 18, 2011 23:39:09 GMT -5
Theyre slowly coming out of the woodwork and hopping on tge bandwagon. They see the power we have gained in the region. My question to yoou rex, do we really want them back? even Albanians in small villages know of the so called Mac slavs true roots ....but they don't bother refuting them ....this fella here has opened the door for a revival of the truth..others will follow ... of course .... ....blood is blood WELCOME HOME I SAY ! but many wont admit it..... you would be surprised how many Albanian haters we have just on our forum that have Albanian roots ^Rex, can you give us a just a hint of just one two of the forum members have Albanian roots?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 19, 2011 2:24:10 GMT -5
Albanians got assimilated here in Greece by the 100,000s... Very easily. Its the fate of the non-europeans to be assimilated by superior cultures.
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