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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 25, 2011 22:52:03 GMT -5
"Actually, it is the linguistic element that proves their Illyrian ancestry best."
Remember Anittas, modern Shqiptare is in Satem division not Centum. Just a couple of random words they use here is to prove their originality, c'mon, we can all do that.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 25, 2011 23:10:54 GMT -5
^ You have people like Wilkes on one hand and Malcolm and Edwin Jaucqes on the other. Who is right and who is wrong? I think you guys are more scared of the truth than we are. Whose scared, it's the Albanians who push for this idea, and use it to justify violence, colonialism and hate towards their neighbours. Prior of when the Albs were told of this POSSIBILITY, you had peace with the Slavs. It is considered high treason for an Albanian to deny Illyrian roots, b/c without holding strong to this myth, the identity is weak, and their Balkan significance is even weaker. You think the war had to do with us feeling Illyrian and superior to you? Come on man I really thought you were making some strides. The peace with slavs exists to this day in most areas. Come to Gostivar sometime and see. It is considered high treason for serbs to realize that half the balkans does not belong to them.
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Post by uz on Jul 26, 2011 14:53:58 GMT -5
Whose scared, it's the Albanians who push for this idea, and use it to justify violence, colonialism and hate towards their neighbours. Prior of when the Albs were told of this POSSIBILITY, you had peace with the Slavs. It is considered high treason for an Albanian to deny Illyrian roots, b/c without holding strong to this myth, the identity is weak, and their Balkan significance is even weaker. You think the war had to do with us feeling Illyrian and superior to you? Come on man I really thought you were making some strides. The peace with slavs exists to this day in most areas. Come to Gostivar sometime and see. It is considered high treason for serbs to realize that half the balkans does not belong to them. Amongst individuals I am sure there is peace, but the fanatic extremists base their ideals on this (Illyrian) false assumption.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jul 26, 2011 17:34:31 GMT -5
^What makes it false? The overwhelming evidence that we hail from chechnya? Haha
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Post by uz on Jul 26, 2011 23:01:58 GMT -5
^ I don't think your at all from chechnya, I am actually willing to agree Albs are indigenous (as far as we know) to the Balkans but this doesn't automatic refer them to Illyrians.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 27, 2011 8:27:15 GMT -5
assimilate those b*tches!!!
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Post by anulu on Jul 27, 2011 14:01:39 GMT -5
^ I don't think your at all from chechnya, I am actually willing to agree Albs are indigenous (as far as we know) to the Balkans but this doesn't automatic refer them to Illyrians. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but when you say it like that you make it sound like you are extending us a courtesy, like something you are willing to entertain out of your generosity or giving us the benefit of the doubt. You compound that by saying "as far as we know" as if to imply that likely it could not be the case or it could change with new evidence, nice way of covering your ass really. We are not asking for you to give us something. All that is required is for one to look at the preponderance of scholarly evidence and draw your own conclusions. It's gonna go one way or the other but please don't patronize us with being "willing" to "consider" the Albanians as autochton in Balkan. And I always find it ironic and dishonest how serbs try to disprove any possible Illyrian origins of Albanians and never ever try to offer a plausible alternative besides the nebulous "chechen" or just the plain default position of "mountain turks". Oh, hello, ooz
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Post by uz on Jul 28, 2011 16:35:27 GMT -5
My response was directly meant for shqipni. I don't intend to get into another debate about Illyrian history, or suposed albanian origins. This forum is filled with that stuff as is.
Covering my ass? What do you mean exactly, and why can't new evidence change anything?
I am in no way a time traveller, which is why I try to choose my words wisely when it comes to this. I am not certain of anything of back then, and don't beleive anyone is, we can only assume what makes the most sense.
ps; this whole chechen connection is very new, and I beleive it's only meant to instigate. You can pretend to know whatever it is you like, but in actuality .... well .... we'll see.
Oh and hello to you too Abubu.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 31, 2011 8:07:53 GMT -5
^ could we kindly get a translation, since this is the vardarian forum.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 31, 2011 13:33:50 GMT -5
My response was directly meant for shqipni. I don't intend to get into another debate about Illyrian history, or suposed albanian origins. This forum is filled with that stuff as is. Covering my ass? What do you mean exactly, and why can't new evidence change anything? I am in no way a time traveller, which is why I try to choose my words wisely when it comes to this. I am not certain of anything of back then, and don't beleive anyone is, we can only assume what makes the most sense. ps; this whole chechen connection is very new, and I beleive it's only meant to instigate. You can pretend to know whatever it is you like, but in actuality .... well .... we'll see. Oh and hello to you too Abubu. UZ , only a clueless moron would claim that Illyrians have Albanian origins. That doesn't exclude the possiblity or even probability that Albanians have Illyrian origins.
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Post by uz on Jul 31, 2011 15:50:14 GMT -5
Going by that, all Balkanians probably have Illyrian origins. Which only means what?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Aug 1, 2011 1:05:16 GMT -5
^ could we kindly get a translation, since this is the vardarian forum. When you translate something from serbian for us I will be more than happy to translate the article in a summarized form. And don't ask pyrros to do it for you.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 1, 2011 1:17:40 GMT -5
Orthodox Albanians in Macedonia are a community that is not officially recognized, although they are a reality and the reality around them is a silent issue. Are in a small number, those who declare that they are Albanians, but with the Orthodox religion. Branko Manolovski (pictured) is the Albanian Orthodox, a patriot that told the story of his family, the truth of today′s orthodox people, and remission of their roots. The villages of Reka and Gostivar and also settlements in the southeastern part of Macedonia were once populated areas with majority Albanian Orthodox religion. Manolovski told that after the Serbian occupation since 1913 began the assimilation of Orthodox Albanians and was put pressure on these areas to change their surnames. According to him, academics, prominent personalities from various fields of politics, literature, art and other fields that are Albanian Orthodox, but they declared publicly that they are Macedonians. Former President of the Macedonian Academy of Sciences, Mateja Matevski is Albanian,but Matevski continues to silent that his parents were Albanian i guess this is similar to the macedonian muslims (torbeshi) of these regions who are pressured to declare themselves as albanians, because of their religion.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Aug 1, 2011 4:05:40 GMT -5
^Who pressures torbesh to declare themselves Albanian? Lol the problem is that fyromians don't accept them as their own. Thats a fact and don't try to spin it. The southern slavs are good at separating their own people by religion. Just like the serbs with the gorani or dare I say with bosnians.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 1, 2011 9:31:03 GMT -5
^ you dared correctly
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Post by Sokol on Aug 1, 2011 18:42:51 GMT -5
^Who pressures torbesh to declare themselves Albanian? Lol the problem is that fyromians don't accept them as their own. Thats a fact and don't try to spin it. The southern slavs are good at separating their own people by religion. Just like the serbs with the gorani or dare I say with bosnians. how do muslim albanians feel about christian albanians? are there parralels with the serbs?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Aug 1, 2011 18:50:23 GMT -5
Religion doesn't change anything amongst Albanians. We don't create new nationalities because of difference in religion. An Albanian is an Albanian. I don't look at a Catholic or Orthodox Albanian differently. I want my children to marry Albanians. As far as religion goes, I couldn't care less.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 1, 2011 19:56:45 GMT -5
Religion doesn't change anything amongst Albanians. We don't create new nationalities because of difference in religion. An Albanian is an Albanian. I don't look at a Catholic or Orthodox Albanian differently. I want my children to marry Albanians. As far as religion goes, I couldn't care less. yea its strange how many people relate religion with nationality couldn't and never will understand them
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Post by Shqipni13 on Aug 1, 2011 20:11:24 GMT -5
^I say fuck em. Better for us that they are that way.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 1, 2011 20:42:55 GMT -5
so if a muslim albanian married a christian albanian, where would they get married> in church? what would the kids be? muslim, christian? is this a common occurence amongst albanians, or do muslims usually marry muslims, and christians marry christians??
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