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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 9, 2011 3:55:22 GMT -5
Pyrro, l don't spend as much time as l used to here on the forums, but remember some of the topoymns we brought up for the BuLgari to see. The root SRB is found in BuLgarska and Vardarska Banovina. Take for example Srbjan Dolence or Srbinovo in Vardarska or Srubsko/Srbsko Selo and Samokov (formally known as Srpski Samokov).
The Vidovden regions of western bugarska (not BuLgarska) were part of the Patriarchate of Pech in the 16th century. The Turks assigned this area to the patriarchate because the region was highly concentrated with Serbs, not BuLgari.
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Post by Anittas on Aug 9, 2011 15:44:48 GMT -5
pyrros, go to the gym. you look like shit. You will never be able to be reasonble in your thinking but with hard work, you might almost look human. so go to the gym.
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Post by uz on Aug 9, 2011 15:58:47 GMT -5
Novi, just promise me one thing, that the next time that some asiatic-sionist pig, like those byzantines were, tries to do harm to the serb people, like those byzantine prostitutes did to the poor, isolated and helpless slavs (Serbs) of asia minor, you will listen to brother pyrros and not to this pro-roman sentiment you have... You love greeks? I LOVE THEM TOO!!! unfortunately the main forces behind today's greece aren't greek at all. We are a sioniost-asiatic eastern-roman kind of thing. I refuse to accept that the ancient greeks were *THAT* corrupted and empty of kindness. The true greeks suffered a lot by those sionist wh ores. Just like Serbs/Slavs did. You piece of s**t. The Byzantines have founded the culture in this region. You need a good beating. Now go to the gym, already! You look like s**t. Wrong again my Roma friend. The Byzantines have offered a lot but have founded nothing. Sure we can take pride behind the double-headed eagle (that they introduced BUT never founded themselves), but the Serb culture is way more ancient, so ancient your lil mind cannot grasp. Do some researche on your own if you really care. You probably don't which is why I wont bother to elaborate.
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Post by odel on Aug 9, 2011 16:22:16 GMT -5
You piece of s**t. The Byzantines have founded the culture in this region. You need a good beating. Now go to the gym, already! You look like s**t. Wrong again my Roma friend. The Byzantines have offered a lot but have founded nothing. Sure we can take pride behind the double-headed eagle (that they introduced BUT never founded themselves), but the Serb culture is way more ancient, so ancient your lil mind cannot grasp. Do some researche on your own if you really care. You probably don't which is why I wont bother to elaborate. Ha... Ha... Hahahahahahahaha! This is probably some of the most entertaining piss I've read on this forum yet. You Serbs are seriously xtreme; one thinks you guys have reached the maximum limit of retardation, but then you guys manage to push the limits even further.
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Post by uz on Aug 9, 2011 16:27:33 GMT -5
Wrong again my Roma friend. The Byzantines have offered a lot but have founded nothing. Sure we can take pride behind the double-headed eagle (that they introduced BUT never founded themselves), but the Serb culture is way more ancient, so ancient your lil mind cannot grasp. Do some researche on your own if you really care. You probably don't which is why I wont bother to elaborate. Ha... Ha... Hahahahahahahaha! This is probably some of the most entertaining piss I've read on this forum yet. You Serbs are seriously xtreme; one thinks you guys have reached the maximum limit of retardation, but then you guys manage to push the limits even further. The Serbs were first mentioned in 65AD, by roman historians. Going by logic (welcome to the real-world Odel), they existed long before that.
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Post by odel on Aug 9, 2011 17:14:37 GMT -5
Ha... Ha... Hahahahahahahaha! This is probably some of the most entertaining piss I've read on this forum yet. You Serbs are seriously xtreme; one thinks you guys have reached the maximum limit of retardation, but then you guys manage to push the limits even further. The Serbs were first mentioned in 65AD, by roman historians. Going by logic (welcome to the real-world Odel), they existed long before that. It was the "so ancient your lil mind cannot grasp" I found so extremely retarded and due to the extreme stupidity shown in small sentence also extremely humorous.
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Post by uz on Aug 9, 2011 17:17:16 GMT -5
I was referring to our Roma friend and HIS "lil-mind". I can see where you got confused, nevertheless...
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Post by odel on Aug 9, 2011 17:23:25 GMT -5
I was referring to our Roma friend and HIS "lil-mind". I can see where you got confused, nevertheless... I understood who it was directed at, still I found that whole post, and especially that part extremely retarded and funny. Do I have to explain myself even further?
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Post by uz on Aug 9, 2011 18:03:41 GMT -5
Listen man, whatever beef you may have with the Roma is between you and him, no comment.
If 65AD is'nt ancient to you, then I shall I say again... no comment.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 9, 2011 18:07:12 GMT -5
Chento, since you have mentioned above, the popularity of the Slava. My perception is that where the Bulgarian Exarchos had the most influence (east of vardar river) the previous celebrated tradition of Slava was lost and replaced with name days. Is Slava still practiced east of the Vardar river? Slava is celebrated across R. Macedonia. FYI, my family were Exarchist and still celebrated their Slava. Novi - you remain silent on the Slava in Aegean Macedonia (Greek Macedonia): illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=makedoniamacedonia&action=display&thread=33752
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 9, 2011 22:03:32 GMT -5
^ Chento, god bless you and your family for holding onto the Slava, l really mean it.
Have a read from the following from Gilbert in der Maur:
Until a few decades ago, the Bulgars, in that part of Southern Serbia which they conquered, regarded all those who celebrated the SLAVA as Serbs. During WW1, the Bulgarian troops under the command of first lieutenant Protogerov were ordered to inflict reprisals upon the population east of Kumanovo for an attack made on some Bulgarian troops. Before the reprisal measures were begun, the entire population declared that it was Bulgarian, purely in order to avoid being punished. Protogerov was greatly perplexed. Then Protogerov's aides had an idea: they asked who celebrated the SLAVA. Those who did so were shot, since the celebration of the SLAVA is a sign that one is a Serb: it is a custom which the Bulgars do not have.
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- Gilbert in der Maur, Jugoslawien einst und jetzt, Leipzig, Vienna, 1936, p.330
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Post by Sokol on Aug 9, 2011 22:13:06 GMT -5
^ Chento, god bless you and your family for holding onto the Slava, l really mean it. Have a read from the following from Gilbert in der Maur: Until a few decades ago, the Bulgars, in that part of Southern Serbia which they conquered, regarded all those who celebrated the SLAVA as Serbs. During WW1, the Bulgarian troops under the command of first lieutenant Protogerov were ordered to inflict reprisals upon the population east of Kumanovo for an attack made on some Bulgarian troops. Before the reprisal measures were begun, the entire population declared that it was Bulgarian, purely in order to avoid being punished. Protogerov was greatly perplexed. Then Protogerov's aides had an idea: they asked who celebrated the SLAVA. Those who did so were shot, since the celebration of the SLAVA is a sign that one is a Serb: it is a custom which the Bulgars do not have. Source: - Gilbert in der Maur, Jugoslawien einst und jetzt, Leipzig, Vienna, 1936, p.330 yes, i know about this and the attrocities committed by bulgarians on macedonians in WW2. you must also however acknowledge that serbs were no better between 1918-1941. macedonians then were persecuted for being bulgarian. my family had their surnames changed by serbian authorities by force. i believe there is already a link about serbian attrocities committed in macedonia, so i won't re-invent the wheel here. your silence on the maltreatement of the macedonian minority in greece speaks volumes about where your allegiance lies.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 9, 2011 23:22:33 GMT -5
^ Serbian atrocities, Chento, the BuLgarin act in Southern, Morava and Kosovo regions of Serbia were not only a genocidial attempt to wipe out people, but it was an attempt to wipe out Serbs from history. The leftover Bulgarianised Serbs were an eyesore and a poison, but the name changing was done primarily by Tito and his Communists...why....because Serbia was too big to handle and needed to be split up (Stronger Yugoslavia meant a weaker Serbia).
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Post by Sokol on Aug 10, 2011 0:05:18 GMT -5
but the name changing was done primarily by Tito and his Communists
no, i'm talking about the kingdom of serbia, and later kingdom of shs. my family had 'ic' added to their surname during royal serbian rule in macedonia. this was removed once the bulgarian army entered macedonia in ww2
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 10, 2011 2:07:10 GMT -5
You piece of s**t. The Byzantines have founded the culture in this region. You need a good beating. Now go to the gym, already! You look like s**t. Wrong again my Roma friend. The Byzantines have offered a lot but have founded nothing. Sure we can take pride behind the double-headed eagle (that they introduced BUT never founded themselves), but the Serb culture is way more ancient, so ancient your lil mind cannot grasp. Do some researche on your own if you really care. You probably don't which is why I wont bother to elaborate. right on track, except even in your text, byzantine influence is exagerated. I have read even in yugoslav texts, that the serbian folklor was partially influenced by the byzantine "literature". well, i am supposed to be a romios, a direct descendant of those byzantines, right? Then, why the funk can't i see any signs of "byzantine" culture anywhere? Why do the greek fairy tales (from the very very FEW that are saved today : less than 4-5) seem like a shortened and bad copy of the Serbian ones, which in turn are very similar to the russian ones? Smth stinks about byzantium, and it stinks badly...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 10, 2011 2:13:55 GMT -5
pyrros, go to the gym. you look like s**t. You will never be able to be reasonble in your thinking but with hard work, you might almost look human. so go to the gym. STFU
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 10, 2011 8:35:28 GMT -5
Chento, o.k, don't you know that your people before the Exarchos had ich or vich suffixes, it was just reinstating what it was. The BuLgari during their time had Bulgarianised surnames like Krstich, for example, to Hristev, then Tito forced the *ski* suffix onto the Bulgarianised names to form Hristevski.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 10, 2011 18:33:53 GMT -5
Chento, o.k, don't you know that your people before the Exarchos had ich or vich suffixes, it was just reinstating what it was. The BuLgari during their time had Bulgarianised surnames like Krstich, for example, to Hristev, then Tito forced the *ski* suffix onto the Bulgarianised names to form Hristevski. sorry novi, you are wrong. my family did not have 'ic' surnames. in fact, my grandfather and his parents were surprised to find their son's surname was changed when he started school in serbian occupied macedonia. my grandmother's brother was a komita and member of the underground resistance to serbian rule. he was beaten to death by serbian gendarmes in front of his family for his activities, and for possesing a rifle. this is what serbian occupation meant for macedonians.
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Post by ivo on Aug 10, 2011 20:29:31 GMT -5
Pazar, the "ic/ich" name ending is NOT exclusively Serbian. We've gone over this already. Russians and Ukrainians have it as well. This suffix also exists in Bulgaria, however, it's rare.
Respect.
Pazar is a lousy excuse for a human being. He's a feeble minded weak hearted racist. Ultimately it seems he hates on Bulgarians the most. As for Macedonians, he usually gets worked up when the term 'Macedonian' is used to refer to your people as that would displease the Greeks. So when a Greek looks to wipe his ass, he'd call Pazar.. and Pazar will most definitely oblige, no questions asked.
Again.. respect.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 11, 2011 2:52:00 GMT -5
Chento, o.k, don't you know that your people before the Exarchos had ich or vich suffixes, it was just reinstating what it was. The BuLgari during their time had Bulgarianised surnames like Krstich, for example, to Hristev, then Tito forced the *ski* suffix onto the Bulgarianised names to form Hristevski. sorry novi, you are wrong. my family did not have 'ic' surnames. in fact, my grandfather and his parents were surprised to find their son's surname was changed when he started school in serbian occupied macedonia. my grandmother's brother was a komita and member of the underground resistance to serbian rule. he was beaten to death by serbian gendarmes in front of his family for his activities, and for possesing a rifle. this is what serbian occupation meant for macedonians. then explain to us the formation of two mak divisions who took part in wwi. vardarska, bitoljska. do not confuse politics with ethnic similarities. during the wars often brothers fought brothers, as in case of greece. it was all politics. maks were always far from being anti-serb...
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