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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 21, 2011 20:22:50 GMT -5
Greek Priest Calls for Attack on Fyromski Radio Station
Anthimos is right why we should open an Propaganda Radio Station in Meliti Florina In Macedonia we have no Fyromanian minority there
Okay i will send Xrysi Aygi to help Anthimos to smashed down !! this Propaganda Fyrom radio if it opens ?
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Post by Sokol on Aug 22, 2011 0:27:13 GMT -5
Yes, according to Greece there are no ethnic or national minorities within it's borders - only a 'muslim' minority in Western Thrace. Well, all non-Greek observers say otherwise;
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 22, 2011 0:51:37 GMT -5
98 % are greek orthodox Greek Muslims comprise 1.3 percent of the population and the remaining 0.7 percent includes Catholics, Jew Greek government has claimed there are no ethnic divisions in Greece
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Post by ivo on Aug 22, 2011 8:53:56 GMT -5
Yes, according to Greece there are no ethnic or national minorities within it's borders - only a 'muslim' minority in Western Thrace. Well, all non-Greek observers say otherwise; nice map
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 22, 2011 20:12:16 GMT -5
fukk fyromian propaganda map
!! PROPAGANDA TON SKOPION !!
a nation with albanians, turks, serbs ,bulgars, vlach, greeks, gypsies, romanians, jews etc... want to be called pseudo macedonians ;D
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Post by Sokol on Aug 23, 2011 0:46:24 GMT -5
fukk fyromian propaganda map !! PROPAGANDA TON SKOPION !! a nation with albanians, turks, serbs ,bulgars, vlach, greeks, gypsies, romanians, jews etc... want to be called pseudo macedonians ;D the map is not from r.macedonia. btw, aegean macedonia is populated by ethnic macedonians, bulgarians, vlachs, albanians, christian turks (pontian refugees). which one are you?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 24, 2011 2:41:32 GMT -5
" Propaganda !! from Pseudo Macedonian
when greece become independent we send you all to go home to yugoslavija, albania, turkey,bulgaria ... In greece only greeks were allowed to stay ...
i am myself an epirote,ancient greek by descent ... and i dont like pseudo macedonians because they are thieves and they falsify greek history. we will never recognize a [fake -pseudo macedonia ]... if i were on power i whould threaten your country with war whould give you an 24 ultimatum to change the country name to take away the monuments of alexander the great and renaming the airport.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Aug 24, 2011 8:56:43 GMT -5
^^According to your felllow Greek patriot Pyrros and his bestest of best friends Novi Pazar , you're a Slav buddy. Ancient Greeks live on Cyprus.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Aug 24, 2011 8:58:50 GMT -5
karta , if I were in power I'd throw you in jail for awful English and not release you until you can actually write a proper line.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 24, 2011 18:01:19 GMT -5
karta , if I were in power I'd throw you in jail for awful English and not release you until you can actually write a proper line. ha ha nice ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 25, 2011 3:36:19 GMT -5
"^^According to your felllow Greek patriot Pyrros and his bestest of best friends Novi Pazar , you're a Slav buddy. Ancient Greeks live on Cyprus."
Very dirty Priso, very dirty and sneaky. I never said Greeks have *Slav* in their veins. You have your wires crossed.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 25, 2011 3:40:46 GMT -5
Chento, the christian turks from northern greece are really Turkified Greeks (linguistically). The Turkic tribes that entered into Anatolia were muslims, not christians. The Karamanlides, if you read on them, for instance, are Greeks, who lost their Greek language for Turkish through the ages.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 25, 2011 8:03:11 GMT -5
btw, aegean macedonia is populated by ethnic macedonians, bulgarians, vlachs, albanians, christian turks (pontian refugees). which one are you? Kindly explain the term: 'christian turks (pontian refugees)' ... dear Slavobulgar son of Alexander. So, evidently, you don't believe that there could be any indigenous Greek-speaking Macedonians; an item of faith in keeping with the fairy-tales you retards seem to be telling yourselves all over the net. No doubt your wilful ignorance on this point greatly helps your 'we are descendants of the ancient Macedonians' delusion ... doesn't it?
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Post by Sokol on Aug 25, 2011 18:30:27 GMT -5
btw, aegean macedonia is populated by ethnic macedonians, bulgarians, vlachs, albanians, christian turks (pontian refugees). which one are you? Kindly explain the term: 'christian turks (pontian refugees)' ... dear Slavobulgar son of Alexander. So, evidently, you don't believe that there could be any indigenous Greek-speaking Macedonians; an item of faith in keeping with the fairy-tales you retards seem to be telling yourselves all over the net. No doubt your wilful ignorance on this point greatly helps your 'we are descendants of the ancient Macedonians' delusion ... doesn't it? Yes, there are genuine Greek-speaking Macedonians, mainly in southern Greek Macedonia. Areas north of Salonika were mainly Slavic Macedonian before the population exchanges and Hellenisation policies of the Greek state. Today, Slavic Macedonians remain a minority. Their ethnic identity is split between Greek, ethnic Macedonian and to a lesser extent, Bulgarian. The problem I have is with the refugees from Turkey who claim to be ancient Macedonians, even though they settled in Macedonia less than 100 years ago. At the same time they deny the Slavic Macedonians their right to call themselves Macedonian, even though we have lived in Macedonia for centuries.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 27, 2011 7:39:31 GMT -5
The problem I have is with the refugees from Turkey who claim to be ancient Macedonians, even though they settled in Macedonia less than 100 years ago. At the same time they deny the Slavic Macedonians their right to call themselves Macedonian, even though we have lived in Macedonia for centuries. You have obviously been taught to think only of yourselves as being ‘Macedonians’. The fact of the matter is, I have never met a Greek of refugee stock – especially a Pontian – who was not proud of his or her specific origins. And going back to a theme of yours detected through many of your posts, what exactly is it that you people have against Pontians … and what is this ‘Christian Turks’ crap you like to spread? Although in many respects they are perhaps the most distinct of the Greek refugees who made their way into Greece in the early 1920s, the Pontians represented barely 20% of total refugee numbers! You seem to think that all refugees were Pontians, that the terms are somehow synonymous (ie Refugees = Pontians). In fact almost half of all refugees were from western Asia Minor - essentially Greeks from the other side of the Aegean. A good proportion of these were of islander origin and did not differ in any great way from Greeks of Greece. About 25% of refugees were Thracians (including Constantinopolitans) – basically Balkan Greeks … For obvious reasons of geography most of them ended up in Greek Thrace and Macedonia. There was also a smaller number of Greek refugees (barely 8%) from Cappadocia (which usually incorporates the Karamanlides – who comprised about a quarter of the Cappadocian total). The Karamanlides, as your block-headed internet warriors (et al) gleefully like to point out, spoke Turkish. Turkish had also made significant inroads (to varying degrees) into the native Greek speech of the rest of the Cappadocians – hardly surprising for a group isolated from the rest of the Greek world and amongst Turks for almost 850 years. Finally there were a sizeable number of refugees from Bulgaria and other areas of the Balkans as well as form Russia. This ‘Christian Turks’ label you fucknuckles continually like to use is wearing a bit thin and hardly scores the points you think it does. Let’s just use the much-maligned Pontians to make a point here. The Pontians speak a distinct and in many respects archaic form of Greek that is practically unintelligible to speakers of modern Greek when in full flight. To be sure there were also some Pontians who spoke Turkish, particularly in the hinterland regions of western Pontus which was under Ottoman control for almost three centuries longer than the Pontian core further east. Indeed so intensely Greek was the region that even to this day, almost a century after the population exchange of1923, there are still many ‘Turks’ in the area who speak Pontic Greek (the so called Rumca/Rumja) and continue to enjoy most elements of Pontic culture (music; dance; food etc). From the early thirteenth century the Pontians were increasingly isolated from the rest of the Greek world although, of-course, the sea still enabled contact. The so-called ‘Empire of Trebizond’ – which was fated to be the last independent Greek political entity – nurtured the peculiar Greek culture of the area until it succumbed to the Turks. It was a kingdom with a distinct and recognised history and legitimate symbols. Although proudly and consciously Greek, in many respects Pontian culture is as unique a culture as the Pontian dialect’s uniqueness as a form of Greek. In comparison, your lot like to present pilfered (Bulgarian) heraldic lions representing some sort of supposed medieval Macedonia but in actuality represent no political entity what-so-ever – other than ones generated by your keen imaginations. This is hardly surprising for a group barely distinguishable from (and one that barely distinguished itself from) the Bulgarians of whom it formed a part until well into the twentieth century. The capital of the kingdom, Trebizond (Trapezounta), fell to the Turks in 1461 while resistance continued in the surrounding mountains to its south for the better part of the next two decades. So if we were to count the years during which the Greeks of the Pontus were amongst the Turks we would arrive at a figure of no more than 462 years (1923 – 1461). If we were to do the same for your lot we would find that this figure would be probably in the vicinity of 520-530 years. We’ll ignore the sizeable Turkish minority that continued to exist in your land after 1912. I n this regard you are about six decades more ‘Christian Turk’ than the Pontians.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_TrebizondThe fact of the matter is that Greeks of refugee origin in Macedonia are proud Greeks conscious of living in a proud historic Greek land and for this reason feel they can quite legitimately identify with the place of their birth. Amongst Greeks they would always refer to themselves as Pontians, Thracians, Mikrasiates, Cappadocians and so on while adding ‘from Macedonia’ … as there are just as many Pontians, Mikrasiates etc in other parts of Greece. They do not claim to be natives. However, while I don’t know the rate of intermarriage between locals and refugee Greeks in the last 90 years, there has certainly been a good deal of it further blurring the distinction. Yes, your people have been there much longer although no-where near as long as the native Greeks of Macedonia. It’s been fourteen hundred years since your grand-dedos violently invited themselves into the land they would later claim was always theirs. If the former Bulgarians of the land can call themselves ‘Macedonians’ and laughably claim exclusivity and possession of its history and culture (particularly the Greek aspects of the region’s history) … Greeks of refugee-origin, born and raised in Macedonia, and after four or so generations, can sure as hell also do the same while never losing track of their origins and the memory of their ‘lost lands’. No-one denies your people the right to refer to themselves as ‘Macedonians’, the label should be a regional one after all. However, things are different when they wish to be ‘The Macedonians’ from the 'Republic of Macedonia' which is in fact the issue.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 28, 2011 18:43:33 GMT -5
I will tell you a little story about my friends grandfather, who left Aegean Macedonia as a refugee. He returned not long ago to his ancestral home only to find these 'Greek Macedonians' from Pontus living in his family home. When he told them who he was, they qucikly slammed the door and threatened to call the police. The man left not wanting to make any trouble. The issue is that this is still his family home. It was never sold to any one, and these were squatters from a foreign land living in his ancestral home. Now you tell me who the Macedonian is here??
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 28, 2011 19:02:22 GMT -5
umm no actually. I find eye color to be very significant in genetics, yet it tends to be ignored. You're telling me dude. I got kicked off anthroscape three times for repeating myself and Hellenas just left putting my picture on a public internet forum for racial classification too. But some Southern Italian guy ''Crimson Guard'' is a real stuck up cunt every time i opened my mouth and spoke, it was like another strike on my account ( I guess he's hating of someone with Turkish blood defending Greeks and Balkan people as a whole ) because I have ancestry from around the Black and Caspian sea myself. And some English guy was virtually obsessed with repeating himself on a loop that ''Greek people will never accept me as Pontid or from the Balkans or whatever and they would kick the living shit out of me because I am part Turk'' when I didn't even bother to tell him about what Pan Turks think of Greeks I just left and and was like ''dude, it's like whatever already''.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 28, 2011 19:06:01 GMT -5
I mean it doesn't matter about what you identify as. You could be a Mexican who lives in the U.S and still call yourself an ''American'' that's it isn't it?
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Post by uz on Aug 28, 2011 19:36:43 GMT -5
When talking about "identity" and "nationality" there's a thin line that should not be crossed, once it's crossed we all begin to realize it's all a sham anyway.
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Post by ulf on Aug 28, 2011 19:59:22 GMT -5
I still don't understand what this last few comments have to do with Slava tradition?
Slava is a tradition(it literally means "Celebration" or "Glory") which has been very important for every true South Slav. Originally it was pagan tradition where people would celebrate an one of the Slavic deity in a form of a large feast, but later on it was adjusted for Christian religion(by simply giving the Slavic deities names of Christian saints; in example Perun - Saint Elijah).
Chentovist, if priests, like this Anthimos, are supporting any forms of intolerance towards other nation then you can imagine how much average Greek is brainwashed. But recently its more and more present in other Balkanic countries.
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