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Post by terroreign on Nov 16, 2011 14:38:32 GMT -5
you've already made the switch
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 16, 2011 14:45:48 GMT -5
no i have nothing but contempt for your gender bending kind
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Post by derk on Nov 16, 2011 14:48:07 GMT -5
I know for a fact that you were once a serb hating montenegrin whose insults against serbs were so brutal that they should have been made illegal... Oh wait, you are a serb now right? Don't worry tho, maybe you will decide to become a croat or slovene someday... wait, is this the albanian, or the greek talking? or is this your arvanite creature fiancee hacking your account lol It is the arvanite phanariote talking.. And my fiancé is an arnavut, not an arvanite...
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 15:00:10 GMT -5
As an Arvanite, I embrace my greekness. I am christian orthodox and I am true. Its what being greek is about. Where from Greece you from Derk ?
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Post by derk on Nov 16, 2011 15:03:05 GMT -5
^I am not from greece mate. Born and raised in Polis, as most of my ancestors.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 16, 2011 15:10:20 GMT -5
As an Arvanite, I embrace my greekness. I am christian orthodox and I am true. Its what being greek is about. Where from Greece you from Derk ? Arvanties are Albanians Tosks are the ones with Greek blood that's why he calls himself Greek
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 15:13:02 GMT -5
^I am not from greece mate. Born and raised in Polis, as most of my ancestors. No kidding. You a fener fan ? Half my family is (was) from there as well. So where does the Arvanite part fit in ?
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 15:15:10 GMT -5
Where from Greece you from Derk ? Arvanties are Albanians Tosks are the ones with Greek blood that's why he calls himself Greek Arvanite means a bit more than that. To me it means they sided with the Greeks against the Turks and were a prominent role in the struggle for liberation against the Ottomans.
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Post by derk on Nov 16, 2011 15:17:02 GMT -5
^Very interesting mate, its always nice to meet a fellow phanariote ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) When and why did you guys leave? '55 ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) ? Well the arvanite part fits in like this: When my paternal side first came to Polis a long time ago, they were arvanites but in time, they got Hellenised because of living together with the greeks and intermarriage. But originally, I think they are from Attica or Athens, will check further for the specific town/city.
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 15:26:03 GMT -5
No, actually my grandparents left before 55, they left during the killing frenzy. Been there many times as a tourist and for work. Id like to find their house one day. Its probably worth a lot of money too since its in Kadikory and thats prime dollar nowadays ;D
Arvanites in Turkey, that thought never struck my mind ;D
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 16, 2011 15:35:11 GMT -5
THERE IS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GREEK ETHNICITY!!!!!!!!!!! greek is a geographical notion, there is no such thing as greek race! greek is a piece of welding work, comprised of many races in the balcans. Dream on Albane, Greece=Greek looking Mediterraneans & Greek looking Alpines with Greek facial features, natives in Balkans and descendants of the ancient Greeks, as are many people all around Greece as well. The Greek race shall never die.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 16, 2011 15:43:45 GMT -5
I think greeks in today's greece are overly sensitive about blood and racially being greek. Arvanites are not of greek about but they are greek. We are a cultural nation, much like turkey. In today's turkey, are are dozens of different ethnicities that live in harmony. In greece, things are the same. We have been melting in a cultural pot for ages. Blood doesn't matter, ideal and culture do. As an Arvanite, I embrace my greekness. I am christian orthodox and I am true. Its what being greek is about. Fake-Greek Albane, most Greeks descend from ancient Greeks, Greek is a race and the Arvanites are Greeks too as well: Arvanites anthropologically Hellenes. In anthropological studies of Theodoros K. Pizziou, the Aegean population Arvanites are different morphologically and to their characters compared with the Albanians. It states: "The examination of these groups (Arvanitofonon), one in Messenia, one and two in Argolis Korinthia showed that in no way stand out from the total population of the Peloponnese or from neighboring groups. In any of the ninety maps features designed not resemble each other more than with their neighboring geographical groups. Also, the statistical dendrogrammata, simultaneous comparison of several features not arvanitofones groups separated from the rest of the Peloponnese. This research shows that the Arvanites were only Hellenes.Dr. Theodoros Pitsios received his graduate degree in Physical Anthropology, with a minor in Genetics and Paleontology, from the Johannes Gutenberg Universität of Mainz, in Germany, from which institution he was later awarded his PhD in Natural Sciences.anthropology-museum.med.uoa.gr/1ceng.htm
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Post by derk on Nov 16, 2011 15:52:25 GMT -5
Hellenas, dude chill out. As you can see, I am not saying a single bad thing about greeks, I am not a self-hating serb like krivo. All I am saying is that we are too thinking too much about the greek race and greek blood. I have seen greeks acting like scum and seen turks acting as democratic and as greek as a greek. Being greek isn't blood, it isn't a liquid we shed (a little too much imo). It is a set of ideals, beliefs and principles. Personally, I don't care is a vlah claims himself greek. I used to think like you too, I even had a topic about it but as I matured, I learned to be more sensible.
and Chalkedon mate, I think you can find a reasonable house if you do enough searching. Its always nice to have more greeks in Polis. As for being an arvanite in turkey, i agree that it is weird indeed ;D I guess it was a personal choice for my ancestors to come to Polis.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 16, 2011 15:52:32 GMT -5
Dacians (or Getae) were North Thracian tribes.Totally f**king agree, but I thought North Greece and Thracians were more Alpine? Most of my family are. Greetings missanthropology58. Only north-western Greece=Epiros is mostly Alpine(but with a great number of Mediterraneans too), Greek Macedonia is mostly Mediterranean with a great number of Alpines(especially in the western part) and Greek Thrace is mostly Mediterranean, like southern Bulgaria(ex-north Thrace) is.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 16, 2011 16:18:11 GMT -5
oh oh they have arrived ...the protectorates of Hellenisms
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 16:34:56 GMT -5
and Chalkedon mate, I think you can find a reasonable house if you do enough searching. Its always nice to have more greeks in Polis. As for being an arvanite in turkey, i agree that it is weird indeed ;D I guess it was a personal choice for my ancestors to come to Polis. Im talking about getting my ancestral home back, not making a purchase lol.
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Post by derk on Nov 16, 2011 16:46:18 GMT -5
^Oops sorry, misread "their" as "there" lol ;D. Well a few years back, someone from the community actually proved that he was the legitimate owner of his ancestral house and got his home back. But that particular house was unoccupied and thus had no one else to claim it. I guess you can get it back after all but you need a lot of time and money for lawsuits and lawyers etc. Nothing in Turkey is impossible, you just have to be willing to take the time and money ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I dearly hope you can get your house one day. I guess Patrinos or another greek here was talking about something similar to this a few years back. You might want to check with them for some questions. I am currently in England but when I get back, I will do some asking around about the possibilities ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by rex362 on Nov 16, 2011 17:19:54 GMT -5
I think greeks in today's greece are overly sensitive about blood and racially being greek. Arvanites are not of greek about but they are greek. We are a cultural nation, much like turkey. In today's turkey, are are dozens of different ethnicities that live in harmony. In greece, things are the same. We have been melting in a cultural pot for ages. Blood doesn't matter, ideal and culture do. As an Arvanite, I embrace my greekness. I am christian orthodox and I am true. Its what being greek is about. Fake-Greek Albane, most Greeks descend from ancient Greeks, Greek is a race and the Arvanites are Greeks too as well: Arvanites anthropologically Hellenes. In anthropological studies of Theodoros K. Pizziou, the Aegean population Arvanites are different morphologically and to their characters compared with the Albanians. It states: "The examination of these groups (Arvanitofonon), one in Messenia, one and two in Argolis Korinthia showed that in no way stand out from the total population of the Peloponnese or from neighboring groups. In any of the ninety maps features designed not resemble each other more than with their neighboring geographical groups. Also, the statistical dendrogrammata, simultaneous comparison of several features not arvanitofones groups separated from the rest of the Peloponnese. This research shows that the Arvanites were only Hellenes.Dr. Theodoros Pitsios received his graduate degree in Physical Anthropology, with a minor in Genetics and Paleontology, from the Johannes Gutenberg Universität of Mainz, in Germany, from which institution he was later awarded his PhD in Natural Sciences.anthropology-museum.med.uoa.gr/1ceng.htmAnother reason why Arvanitism is not compatible with Hellenism as is found in Napoleon Zervas' letter to Ioannis Danis in 1953: "We must remind ourselves and our compatriots who relieved Chamouria from the Arvanites, who for five hundred years were a millstone in Hellenism's neck".
and it wasnt since 500 years ago but since the time of Pelasgians ...And what is Hellenization for Albanians/Arvanitis .....?? its simply Just a cheap imitation of Pelasgian culture ......... nothing we Albanians dont know already bcs we are of the Pelasgian race where as greeks today have to mimic it
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Post by derk on Nov 16, 2011 17:46:36 GMT -5
^rex, your knowledge about arvanites and tosk-albanians is remarkable. But I did not quite understand that letter mate. Can you please explain it a bit further?
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Post by rex362 on Nov 16, 2011 17:54:44 GMT -5
Another reason why Arvanitism is not compatible with Hellenism as is found in Napoleon Zervas' letter to Ioannis Danis in 1953:
"We must remind ourselves and our compatriots who relieved Chamouria from the Arvanites, who for five hundred years were a millstone in Hellenism's neck".
in the letter they refer to the chams as Arvanitis ...so basically they were not accepted as Greeks/Hellenes in 1953 .......Danis was religous leader that gave orders to zervas
Albanians = Arvanit
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