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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 15:14:06 GMT -5
Choice has been made phile. Long time ago. Trying to resurrect the dead is pointless. I just find it odd that you have to make it a habit of "reminding" us of their origins.
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 15:16:49 GMT -5
Choice has been made phile. Long time ago. Trying to resurrect the dead is pointless. I just find it odd that you have to make it a habit of "reminding" us of their origins. but bro you can't blame us for that it's the same as with you greeks trying to convert the socalled greeks of albania
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 15:22:57 GMT -5
We had an agreement regarding Northern Epirus. We never really followed through with it. If we were really pricks it would be a lot more than just converting Albanians over there. There were heaps of Greeks over there. Now, maybe not as much but to be honest that issue was never a strong one for me.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 21, 2011 0:49:04 GMT -5
Ok cool. Greetings dude. It's good to see you here. Hey, at least now we can talk about this s**t without the Turks... and Crimson Guard the Wop striking our accounts, lol*. Yes, of course, there is much more freedom here.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 21, 2011 0:56:25 GMT -5
now ,,if any of you greeks here can understand that ....then you are Albanian ....I mean Arvanitis ....oh wtf's the difference ... ONE LANGUAGE.....ONE PEOPLE ...... ONE ! OPAAAAA !!! The Arvanites were just Albanized in language but not in blood, they are Greeks in race and in mind as well. Wikipedia:Although sociological studies of Arvanite communities still used to note an identifiable sense of a special "ethnic" identity among Arvanites, the authors did not identify a sense of 'belonging to Albania or to the Albanian nation'.[5] Many Arvanites find the designation "Albanians" offensive as they identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians.[25]
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 21, 2011 3:59:22 GMT -5
Hellenas,
I fully agree that Greek blood is not only prevalent in modern Greece, but also in many areas of the balkans as well. I start to more and more believe that.
However the bad news, is that there has been a HUGE gap in the existence of Greek spirit. Greeks existed ok, but they were subjects to alien (usually incompatible) systems and therefore Greek spirit could not rise.
Even today, sadly, i think that Greek spirit is still dead. Many few *REAL* greeks are out there. There has to be a massive *TRAINING* in order to start *BEHAVING* like greeks, how we stand in the queue, how we get organized, how we manage our hospitals our banks, etc...
Have you read about all the criticism against the bad "dimosio" and how good and promising is the good "idiwtikos" tomeas??? Well, surprise, privarte sector is a worse BOURDELO than dimosio..... i am computer programmer and have worked for many private/public greek companies, trust me.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 12:43:16 GMT -5
Ok cool. Greetings dude. It's good to see you here. Hey, at least now we can talk about this s**t without the Turks... and Crimson Guard the Wop striking our accounts, lol*. Yes, of course, there is much more freedom here. Yes, so fuck them. Btw, I would like to show you my pic I think I am Alpine Med/Pontid but I would just like you to confirm it seeing as I think you know your stuff.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 12:44:27 GMT -5
now ,,if any of you greeks here can understand that ....then you are Albanian ....I mean Arvanitis ....oh wtf's the difference ... ONE LANGUAGE.....ONE PEOPLE ...... ONE ! OPAAAAA !!! The Arvanites were just Albanized in language but not in blood, they are Greeks in race and in mind as well. Wikipedia:Although sociological studies of Arvanite communities still used to note an identifiable sense of a special "ethnic" identity among Arvanites, the authors did not identify a sense of 'belonging to Albania or to the Albanian nation'.[5] Many Arvanites find the designation "Albanians" offensive as they identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians.[25]Not Ghegs, they're not Pontid at all. Only Tosks.
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Post by punisher on Nov 21, 2011 12:52:52 GMT -5
^missy,the tosks are very identical to the ghegs,i'm gheg and i don't see much difference between my southern brothers.don't forget gheg and tosk are only names of the dialects spoken they aren't names for different people.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 12:59:58 GMT -5
^missy,the tosks are very identical to the ghegs,i'm gheg and i don't see much difference between my southern brothers.don't forget gheg and tosk are only names of the dialects spoken they aren't names for different people. Yes, I know they are both to do with Albanians however I think the Tosks have more of a ''Greek'' or ''Pontid'' ancestry than Ghegs if you should show me a picture of a Gheg that is most typical of their racial stock/phenotype and that of a Tosk then you might see
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 13:02:48 GMT -5
Hellenas, I fully agree that Greek blood is not only prevalent in modern Greece, but also in many areas of the balkans as well. I start to more and more believe that. However the bad news, is that there has been a HUGE gap in the existence of Greek spirit. Greeks existed ok, but they were subjects to alien (usually incompatible) systems and therefore Greek spirit could not rise. Even today, sadly, i think that Greek spirit is still dead. Many few *REAL* greeks are out there. There has to be a massive *TRAINING* in order to start *BEHAVING* like greeks, how we stand in the queue, how we get organized, how we manage our hospitals our banks, etc... Have you read about all the criticism against the bad "dimosio" and how good and promising is the good "idiwtikos" tomeas??? Well, surprise, privarte sector is a worse BOURDELO than dimosio..... i am computer programmer and have worked for many private/public greek companies, trust me. Come on dude, they aren't that sloppy.
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Post by punisher on Nov 21, 2011 13:05:20 GMT -5
Yes, I know they are both to do with Albanians however I think the Tosks have more of a ''Greek'' or ''Pontid'' ancestry than Ghegs if you should show me a picture of Gheg that is most typical of their racial stock/phenotype and that of a Tosk then you might see missy if you want to see ghegs,you see them at my thread about the looks of kosovalbs.the tosks have one tiny difference and that's their heigh if i'm not mistaking they're a bit smaller then the ghegs
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 13:10:01 GMT -5
Are they all Ghegs?
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Post by punisher on Nov 21, 2011 13:12:54 GMT -5
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 13:23:10 GMT -5
Then i'll look to see if they're more Eastern European than Southern.
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Post by punisher on Nov 21, 2011 13:24:22 GMT -5
Then i'll look to see if they're more Eastern European than Southern. you do that missy,then holla at me back okidoki ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 21, 2011 13:25:10 GMT -5
there is some distinction between tosks and ghegs however its not to the extent that they could considered as separate entities, the gheg and tosk grouping is more of a geographical and lingual disticntion rather than anything else, in terms of appearance ghegs tend to be slightly taller and lighter skinned however that could be down to climate change, the north is more moutainous and colder and the south is flatter and warmer
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 21, 2011 13:33:12 GMT -5
there is some distinction between tosks and ghegs however its not to the extent that they could considered as separate entities, the gheg and tosk grouping is more of*geographical and lingual disticntion rather than anything else, in terms of appearance ghegs tend to be slightly taller and lighter skinned however that could be down to climate change, the north is more moutainous and colder and the south is flatter and warmer Yes I agree they're mixed in colourings in those pictures but I think mostly Ghegs look Eastern European more than Southern even the darker one(s) When I google Tosks I get images like this Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/33768/thumbnailer/TjSIEKsSLFY8XRvQExRY.jpg)
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Post by punisher on Nov 21, 2011 13:38:55 GMT -5
there is some distinction between tosks and ghegs however its not to the extent that they could considered as separate entities, the gheg and tosk grouping is more of*geographical and lingual disticntion rather than anything else, in terms of appearance ghegs tend to be slightly taller and lighter skinned however that could be down to climate change, the north is more moutainous and colder and the south is flatter and warmer i've seen many people look like her,i know one bosnian girl who looks exactly like her.and if i'm not mistaking she isn't a tosk but a gheg bcs her lastname is dedvukaj and that's catholic,she's probably from northern albania Yes I agree they're mixed in colourings in those pictures but I think mostly Ghegs look Eastern European more than Southern even the darker one(s) When I google Tosks I get images like this
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 21, 2011 14:17:34 GMT -5
it is surprising how many blonde and blue eyed tosks you get in the south, especially where i come from, especially with the younger generations
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