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Post by odel on Sept 13, 2011 4:50:03 GMT -5
I doubt a person such as a Czar is very apolitical, the Czar is by all means a political person and what he says is mostly politics. Noel Malcolm is by far a much less political person than the Czar.
You should start criticizing his work instead of just throwing some ad hominems out, you can't do anything else when you're wrong though I guess.
Sure.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 5:21:08 GMT -5
I doubt a person such as a Czar is very apolitical, the Czar is by all means a political person and what he says is mostly politics. Noel Malcolm is by far a much less political person than the Czar. You should start criticizing his work instead of just throwing some ad hominems out, you can't do anything else when you're wrong though I guess. Sure. no, when in a book of 1000 pages, the words bulgarian and serbian appear just once or twice is very different than those sick and disgusting anti-serb essays by this freak, where the word "serb" in close proximity with the word "butcher" appears at a rate of at least once per line. PS LOL, did i read correctly being wrong against Noel Malcolm??? ha ha ha, anyone disagreeing/debunking/exposing Noel Malcolm has a great deal of chance of being correct!! Now, seriously, this freak has been proven wrong by numerous people smarter than him.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 6:06:39 GMT -5
hmmmm, lets see about the "historical" scientific NON-political work by the freak:
Articles by Noel Malcolm on Yugoslavia available online
"South Ossetia is not Kosovo", Standpoint, 29 September 2008 "Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian" The Guardian, Tuesday 26 February 2008. "Nato must remain until the job is done", The Daily Telegraph, 2 September 2001. "Milosevic was doomed by press freedom", The Sunday Telegraph, 1 July 2001. "Why we were right to bomb Kosovo", The Daily Telegraph, 24 March 2000. "Independence for Kosovo", The New York Times, 9 June 1999. "Kosovo, Serbian Nationalism and Territorial Partition", HABSBURG Reviews, 10 May 1999. "Response to Amos Perlmutter's op-ed "Who Will Run Kosovo", The Washington Times, 4 May 1999. "What Ancient Hatreds?", Foreign Affairs, January/February 1999. "Kosovo: Only Independence Will Work", The National Interest, Winter 1998/99.
"Kicking Kenney on Kosovo", The Nation, 16 November 1998, Volume 267, Number 16.
"Kosovo's History", New York Review of Books, 16 July 1998. "Kosovo and Bosnia: three points", Bosnian report, March-May 1998, New Series no.3. "The Past Must Not Be Prologue", Time, 30 March 1998, Vol. 151 N° 13. "The grandee and a question of genocide", Daily Mail, 6 November 1996. "Appease with Dishonor: Faulty History", Foreign Affairs, November/December 1995. "The Vlachs in Bosnia" Extract from Bosnia: a short history, 1994 "The New Bully of the Balkans", The Spectator, 15 August 1992
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"La fable de l'islamisme bosniaque" ("The hoax of Bosniak islamicism"), pp. 207-210 of Noel Malcolm : "Bosnia, A Short History" "Le Kosovo, le nationalisme serbe et la partition territoriale" ("Kosovo, Serbian Nationalism and Territorial Partition") "Quelles haines ancestrales ?" ("What ancient hatreds?") "Le Kosovo appartient-il à la Serbie ? Nous posons la question à un historien" ("Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian")
[edit] In Albanian
"Kosova është territor i humbur për Serbinë", Intervistoi Iliriana A. Bajo, Radio Evropa e Lirë, 3. Dhjetor, 2003. ("Kosovo is a lost territory for Serbia", interview by Iliriana A. Bajo, Radio Free Europe, 3 December 2003)
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LOL!!!!
And here are some of the reviews (slaps) on his work (mostly debunking and ridiculing) by his co-patriots/americans:
Reviews of books on Yugoslavia by Noel Malcolm
"Britain's fatal foreign policy", Review of the book by Brendan Simms: Unfinest Hour: 'Britain and the Destruction of Bosnia (Allen Lane/Penguin), Bosnian Report, January - May 2002, New Series No 27-28. "The dysfunctional functionary", The Sunday Telegraph, 20 October 2000. "Stay the Hand of Vengeance", Review of: Stay the Hand of Vengeance: the politics of war crimes tribunals, by Gary Bass, Princeton University Press, The Sunday Telegraph, 15 October 2000. "Fighting For Peace: Bosnia 1994", Review of the book by General Sir Michael Rose, Harvill, London, Bosnian Institute, 1998. "Norman Cigar's Genocide in Bosnia: the policy of ethnic cleansing", The Sunday Telegraph, 11 June 1995. "David Owen and his Balkan bungling", extended version of a review of Lord Owen's "Balkan Odyssey" (London 1995, New York 1996), first published in The Sunday Telegraph on 12 November 1995.
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I restrained to attach any slav critique against the works of the b1tch. it would be too unfair, and the debunking devastating for any lil serb-hater.
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Post by ivo on Sept 13, 2011 8:42:00 GMT -5
Lol wake up broo.
Lol.. grasping for straws, that's exactly what they're doing.
Gyrro, you're one very ignorant chap. You're so misinformed that your posts make me believe that you suffer from mild retardation, or some sort of mental deficiency.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 9:43:01 GMT -5
Asen, its time to cut this insults, man if you got smth to say just say it. its getting comical.
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Post by ivo on Sept 13, 2011 10:03:55 GMT -5
That's exactly what I've been doing friend. And if you haven't noticed, everything I 'say' I support with non-Bulgarian sources.. a variety of sources from various time periods.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2011 10:06:15 GMT -5
BuLgari, BuLgari, BuLgari, everything is a contradiction with you idiots. Torlakian is Bulgarian, old church is bulgarian, proto slavic is bulgarian, turkish is bulgarian, sankrit is bulgarian.
Dikheads, BuLgarski is void of slavic declensions, Serb Torlakian and Standard Serbian have them, like all other slavic languages. Twisted BuLgari here will say Torlakian is simple BuLgarski, but in reality BuLgarski is really simple SRPSKI because they lost the complex Serbian declensional system.
PS BuLgari have an Airag.
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Post by ivo on Sept 13, 2011 10:18:18 GMT -5
I've told you many times before.. don't worry about Bulgarian sources. As you can see, we hardly ever post any Bulgarian sources. So let's try to stick to neutral and independent material.
Grammatically its structure is closer to Bulgarian/Macedonian rather than Serbian. In the past the Torlaks have expressed a Bulgarian identity, and have identified with Bulgaria rather than Serbia.
Old Church Slavonic was known as Old Bulgarian, and has been recorded by this name in a variety of non-Bulgarian sources. This has already been extensively discussed on the forum, and you're welcome to search for the old topics or do some unbiased research on your own.
I don't know where you're getting this from, but there is no proof of what you've wrote in the quote above.. and we've never claimed anything of the sort.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 13, 2011 11:35:08 GMT -5
Ivo is a bad guy.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 13, 2011 12:06:05 GMT -5
I doubt a person such as a Czar is very apolitical, the Czar is by all means a political person and what he says is mostly politics. Noel Malcolm is by far a much less political person than the Czar. You should start criticizing his work instead of just throwing some ad hominems out, you can't do anything else when you're wrong though I guess. Sure. Not at all. It's Noel Malcolm who's career depends on satisfying certain political groups' interests, while the Czar is all-powerful and has nothing to lose, thus has no reason not to tell the truth.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2011 20:09:21 GMT -5
"Ivo is a bad guy." Anittas, you can almost structurally classify Bulgarian (language) as Romanian
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Post by terroreign on Sept 13, 2011 20:34:09 GMT -5
yes, the grammar is more akin to romance languages than slavic.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2011 21:03:30 GMT -5
^ Krivo, they lost their serbian declensional system, you know that, languages, particularly slavic (Balkan), are the product of a common language and that they were spoken even before THE GROUPING, OF THE SLAVIC TRIBES, IN THE REGIONS THEY OCCUPY TODAY TOOK PLACE.
- Max Vasmer (Referring to the speakers of Proto Slavic)
"Before the more important dialectual differences began to emerge, they inhabited a region whose individual areas were subject to mutual linguistic modification."
- J.J. Mikkola
"Where we find Slavs, who call themselves Slavs, we must derive them from a single proto tribe."
You see Krivo, the warped minded BuLgari tell us here that the Sorbian Serbs who settled in Northern Greece and Vardar, back in the 6th century, spoke Bulgarian, but when a part of them left to settle in ancient Illyria they began to speak Serbian.
PS just to really answer what you said, if we were to compare modern *EVOLVED* structural forms of Slavic, then we can group the Bulgarians with the Romanians and call them Romanians because language is an indicator of ethnicity?
Contradictions arn't they Krivo.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 14, 2011 0:44:55 GMT -5
Novi i wasn't being sarcastic, the Bulgarian and "Macedonian" grammars have a plethora of attributes that point directly to influence & contribution from Romance languages, which causes their grammar alone to be more akin in ways to Romance rather than, Slavic languages.
You're right on, Serbs who came to Macedonia in the 6th century spoke Serbian, as did all slavs equally (with little to no dialectal difference) at this point. When they moved to today's Srbadija, they were obviously still speaking Serbian but with more greek loans perhaps.
Slavic dialects began to be created once slavs were under rule of foreigners....and thus their differences from the original slavic language (Serbian) were created.
Russian, under the Verangians, a Germanic-speaking peoples, morphed their language considerably in the beginning stages of their growth.
Similarly, Bulgaro-slavic unquestionably spawned with the influence of the Turkic-speaking rulers over the Serb subjects...creating what you have today; archaic Serbian with a Turkic nasalization.
The Serbs however, lived outside of the foreign yoke rather homogeneously, and this allowed for their natural self-evolution of culture, as well as the impressive preservation of their ancient customs & character.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 14, 2011 0:53:32 GMT -5
Novi i wasn't being sarcastic, the Bulgarian and "Macedonian" grammars have a plethora of attributes that point directly to influence & contribution from Romance languages, which causes their grammar alone to be more akin in ways to Romance rather than, Slavic languages. very funny. i notice on your sig 'Free Lusatia, Srpska & Krajina!' ha ha, what about Kosovo? Krajina! very cute. i'd like to see you take on the Croats again...remember 1995
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Post by terroreign on Sept 14, 2011 1:00:36 GMT -5
Kosovo is technically still free...as you can see the pristina criminals can't even control 15% of the territory...
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Post by ioan on Sept 14, 2011 1:04:32 GMT -5
The fact that Bulgarian/Macedonian grammer have alot of common features with Romanian and Albanian is just a proof of the role of the Thracian (including Peonian) element in the Bulgarian ethnicity.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 14, 2011 1:11:39 GMT -5
Novi i wasn't being sarcastic, the Bulgarian and "Macedonian" grammars have a plethora of attributes that point directly to influence & contribution from Romance languages, which causes their grammar alone to be more akin in ways to Romance rather than, Slavic languages. very funny. i notice on your sig 'Free Lusatia, Srpska & Krajina!' ha ha, what about Kosovo? Krajina! very cute. i'd like to see you take on the Croats again...remember 1995 Croats still remember Dubrovnik & Vukovar....hell- most Dubrovcani still have PTSD
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Post by Sokol on Sept 14, 2011 1:20:52 GMT -5
perhaps, but the last time i looked croatia borders were in tact, and their economy was booming. serbia on the other hand keeps getting smaller and smaller...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 14, 2011 2:36:10 GMT -5
Similarly, Bulgaro-slavic unquestionably spawned with the influence of the Turkic-speaking rulers over the Serb subjects...creating what you have today; archaic Serbian with a Turkic nasalization. spot on, that's what my wife told me. that bulgarian words reminded her of some words that her grandpa used : Golijemo vs Veliko, Tikva vs Bundeva, and other such words... Also this jakavica thing, seems to me like overstreched jekavica, the old Serbian accent in CG/BiH.
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