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Post by darkness on Sept 18, 2011 15:23:52 GMT -5
everyone who has to share something plz do and plz be poliet no comments filled with hatred thank you very much
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Post by darkness on Sept 18, 2011 15:29:44 GMT -5
i made this thread bcs i'm tired as being the retards of europe.everywhere we go we bring our hatred with us and this has to stop we need to change and work for a better future. don't know about you guys but it makes me sad to see my brothers and sisters living in such poor conditions,and depending on foreign powers so much.we have everything to keep us alive and still we're depending on our socalled alies.if we don't obey their orders our countries will go downfall even faster
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 15:32:44 GMT -5
The first thing that needs to happen, is the arrest of all the traitors we have in our government offices. It's tough for anyone to be more globally central, than the Balkan.
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Post by darkness on Sept 18, 2011 15:41:06 GMT -5
agreed,we have to kick those fags out of our goverment,and put some young blood in,who have lived with other nationalities,for this i would chose some diaspora balkanians,in kosova we have those they're called fryma re(very smart and nice young adults)but they get few votes bcs of the big bullies
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 15:52:16 GMT -5
Removal of all borders and we're set.
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Post by darkness on Sept 18, 2011 15:55:30 GMT -5
Removal of all borders and we're set. i bet if we do that,we all get to know eachother much better and see our similarities
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 15:56:29 GMT -5
The social-situation is more important and its what effects us all mostly.
We are born into a side and are destined to combat the other side. - The Western world fuels this ideology.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 18, 2011 16:35:50 GMT -5
nas vecni cilj....plamen naseg plemena
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 17:19:37 GMT -5
I personally think that either Balkans will have to unite on whatever level with a fresh prospective of mutual cooperation (and, why not, mutual closeness) in pursuit of our own progress as a region or we remain divided and weak in constant turmoil and periodic wars (that recur every number of decades) that will keep us where we are and force our youth to seek better future elsewhere as many here have done. I find it tragicomical how many are acting as nationalists here on the forums reinforcing our divisions yet will most likely spend rest of their lives in Diaspora only to visit beloved homeland once in a blue moon on a fashion no different then done by an average tourist. We are in dire NEED (not WANT as what localized nationalisms feed off of which is fueled by outsiders and our naive tendency to tribalize ourselves as sheep that many are pointing fingers at what in reality is our kin) of a fresh prospective and initiative in order to propel our region. Anything unnecessarily divided (and therefore fragmented and weakened) over extended time will give way to something with superior organization (especially if coupled with ability to maintain size) and eventually become obsolete in itself. This topic has been touched before Creating a Balkan Union (4 versions)illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=balkanhaimosbalkans&action=display&thread=15463A Balkan Union?illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=balkanhaimosbalkans&action=display&thread=33006
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 17:24:12 GMT -5
Anything unnecessarily divided (and therefore fragmented and weakened) over extended time will give way to something with superior organization (especially if coupled with ability to maintain size) and eventually become obsolete in itself.
Examples (as they relate to us): -Romans take fragmented ancient Balkans -Ottomans take fragmented medieval Balkans
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 17:24:10 GMT -5
You think a topic like this can go any further than where it has gone before?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 17:27:26 GMT -5
You think a topic like this can go any further than where it has gone before?
I say crisis breaths new perceptions. It might be related to the need for our sudden realization as a region that our own fragmentation as a region is a bigger threat to us versus the threat that any given balkan state(let) can pose to any other given balkan state(let).
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 17:29:21 GMT -5
Is there a point?
There is a strong force that pulls us away from this topic, politically and even socially. Some people are even scared to bring this up.
I think we can agree that the global powers do not want a United Balkan, therefore and United Balkan "can't" happen.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 17:37:33 GMT -5
Anything has an incubation period before it materializes into its true essence. Considering that there is a NEED for this I fail to see that this will not materialize itself at some point in the future. It will start by creating a new consciousness and awareness within Balkans (within new generations), by more interactions between Balkan youth to kill localized nationalist stigma (in essence our cancer) fueled by the western powers. New generations have to see the localized nationalisms for what they are and that is a tool of the west and a very visible trojan horse within our ranks programmed to stunt our growth as a region (to say the least). Perhaps a new form of a movement will have to surface within Balkans at some point in the future once such generations mature.
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 17:41:08 GMT -5
Agreed. I have read from different sources that this^ was the primary reason why the break-up of Yugo had to happen. A new consciousness was apparently emerging and it had to be disrupted.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 17:44:26 GMT -5
And some of these tragic people living in the diaspora are Emperors of forums.
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 17:48:11 GMT -5
cry baby ^
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 17:48:39 GMT -5
I would say it is related to action versus reaction principles.
What has happened in Yugoslavia was a mini-version of balkan union and if it occurred then there was a need for it to occur. It was not that well organized (as it occurred in 19 century within Italy and Germany which should have been used as a guide for this particular example) and its weaknesses were used against it during economic and world crisis.
What has occurred within past 20 years is a reaction to the new process which I am convinced will be temporary in nature. Fact is that such historical reactions have occurred on multiple occasions in human history but were always temporary.
Take post-napoleoic era in France and elsewhere in Europe when reactionary powers of Russia, Prussia and Austria tried to reverse the effects of French revolution, which in itself was also an embryonic stage of nationalism as we know it now in Europe at least. Did they succeed in their efforts long term, obviously not.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 18, 2011 17:50:43 GMT -5
the only acceptable union would be Serbia, Republika Srpska, Montenegro, Srpska Krajina, Lusatia, and Macedonia.
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 17:55:49 GMT -5
The overal point behind Yugo, was to make our identities more open and relate more to each other on the basis of what we truly are (South-Slavs).
By now this mentality would have probably expanded and a Balkan union would have probably happened already.
I have a friend (in Kitchener Ontario) non-Serb, taking a course on social-economics and whatnot. He was telling me about a lecture he had. It was about the Yugoslavia economic-system and how it was the most modern Europe has seen, and efficiency, innovation and industry became a norm b/c the system made an environment where this was possible, unlike now.
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