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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 18:01:18 GMT -5
UZ
Ignore such comments here by a person who constantly spills poison towards other fellow Balkanian brothers and sisters.
Krivo
That was 'tried' in the 90s (or rather made to look like that while in reality Milosevic was also a western puppet as was Tudjman and Izetbegovic) and Serbia (western puppet state now) has been reduced to become a shadow of their former self versus only 100 years ago (Kosovo gone and occupied by the west, FYROM gone to be 'independent', Bosnia Serb region gone and occupied by the west as its entire Bosnia, Croatian Serb region firmly controlled by state of Croatia (another western puppet state). Lusatia (which is btw genetically, culturally and antropologically fully unrelated to anything Balkan) is firmly part of Germany and the Sorbs there will cease to exist within 50-100 years tops as a non-German ethnicity. You are influenced by the idealist unrealistic nationalist poison itself that I have been talking about as are 95% of the posters here.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 18:07:49 GMT -5
Another way to see the insanity of our localized nationalisms is how it attempts what can not be done and that is to connect fully unrelated distant cultures through historical myth (most likely fabricated within past 200 years by same circles that maintain us in constant crisis) while creating constant antagonism with neighbors who in reality are fully related to us in almost every aspect.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 18, 2011 18:15:16 GMT -5
UZ Ignore such comments here by a person who constantly spills poison towards other fellow Balkanian brothers and sisters. Krivo That was 'tried' in the 90s (or rather made to look like that while in reality Milosevic was also a western puppet as was Tudjman and Izetbegovic) and Serbia (western puppet state now) has been reduced to become a shadow of their former self versus only 100 years ago (Kosovo gone and occupied by the west, FYROM gone to be 'independent', Bosnia Serb region gone and occupied by the west as its entire Bosnia, Croatian Serb region firmly controlled by state of Croatia (another western puppet state). Lusatia (which is btw genetically, culturally and antropologically fully unrelated to anything Balkan) is firmly part of Germany and the Sorbs there will cease to exist within 50-100 years tops as a non-German ethnicity. You are influenced by the idealist unrealistic nationalist poison itself that I have been talking about as are 95% of the posters here. sorry AAdmin, i just celebrate my Slava, worship the Gusle, and swear upon Gorski Vijenac. As Njegos said in reply to a balkan union: "The Serbdom has to unite first. I will, then, to my Patriarchate of Pece and Serbian Prince to Prizren. Spiritual authority to me and secular to him, over the nation free and united."
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:19:35 GMT -5
Why ignore "such comments" that merely pointed out that he who triggered the deprived status of the Balkan diaspora is himself guilty of the very same thing: namely, living abroad and visiting his homecountry once in a blue moon?
And Uz, why call me a crybaby and I'm a laughing baby? I'm laughing right now! Lolz
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 18:21:33 GMT -5
^ All you do is complain and whine about moderators.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:22:12 GMT -5
On another note, can someone explain to me how you intend to "unite" with the Albanians? Or is this just a Yugo union of some sort?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 18, 2011 18:23:06 GMT -5
The overal point behind Yugo, was to make our identities more open and relate more to each other on the basis of what we truly are (South-Slavs). By now this mentality would have probably expanded and a Balkan union would have probably happened already. I have a friend (in Kitchener Ontario) non-Serb, taking a course on social-economics and whatnot. He was telling me about a lecture he had. It was about the Yugoslavia economic-system and how it was the most modern Europe has seen, and efficiency, innovation and industry became a norm b/c the system made an environment where this was possible, unlike now. communist yugo was a mental-prison for our people and though industrially we progressed, mentality and spirit stagnated. it was a contrived creation that manipulated people's identities and crushed people's spirits.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 18:24:03 GMT -5
That is the whole thing Krivo.
Serbdom will never 'unite' and that is just a nationalist perception which is really self-deception. Njegos was but a mere byproduct of nationalist agenda that was formulated by the Western powers.
All localized nationalisms strive for unattainable or greater versions of their state. This will never become permanent since western powers will never allow any given one to become that strong and will therefore shift 'alliances' in accordance to their interests.
Serbdom will be united perfectly well within united Balkans as will others within Balkans.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:24:11 GMT -5
Not at all, and certainly not in this thread, Uz.
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 18:25:01 GMT -5
It's up to the Albanians themsevles to decide for this. It's happened before, many Albanians have joined forces with us for the common-goal in the past.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 18, 2011 18:26:55 GMT -5
regarding honorable AAdmin's remark about "tragecomedy" and "blue moons" I'll have you know that some of us own property there and go back quite regularly....and like any good Serb, sends money back to their ognjiste.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:27:46 GMT -5
Okay, Aadmin, I would like to read your manifesto on how the nations of the Balkans should go about in order to achieve a union. I've seen you talking about this since 2003 and now I'm really curious. You must have some masterplan, otherwise it's just killing time.
To Uz: where was I crying in this thread?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 18:28:51 GMT -5
The idea behind Yugoslavia stems from so called Illyrian movement in 19 century which is well before any communist had upper hand. If Protestants of Saxony and Catholics of Bavaria (1) have managed to become one and the same then surely Catholics of Dalmatia and orthodox of Sumadija (2) would have also with right organization. Example 1 is no more logical then number 2. The difference in number 1 between the two elements in no lesser (religiously speaking as well as culturally) then tween the two in number 2.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:28:59 GMT -5
regarding honorable AAdmin's remark about "tragecomedy" and "blue moons" I'll have you know that some of us own property there and go back quite regularly....and like any good Serb, sends money back to their ognjiste. Yes, well, the blue moon occurs regularly, too. Thus the saying: "once in a blue moon".
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Post by terroreign on Sept 18, 2011 18:28:59 GMT -5
That is the whole thing Krivo. Serbdom will never 'unite' and that is just a nationalist perception which is really self-deception. Njegos was but a mere byproduct of nationalist agenda that was formulated by the Western powers. All localized nationalisms strive for unattainable or greater versions of their state. This will never become permanent since western powers will never allow any given one to become that strong and will therefore shift 'alliances' in accordance to their interests. Serbdom will be united perfectly well within united Balkans as will others within Balkans. no...Njegos was a byproduct of the sparce Katunska region, and Serb mythology....he lived and breathed, as every Montenegrin, the Serb struggle.
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 18:31:33 GMT -5
The idea behind Yugoslavia was not Illyria. It was about unifying the Southern Slavs under one umbrella. Yugos just tend to be the original Illyrians.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:33:26 GMT -5
How can one be original Illyrians? Besides, you guys were claiming Slavic and Iranian roots. Now Illyrian, too?
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Post by uz on Sept 18, 2011 18:34:33 GMT -5
We all stem from Illyrians, especially the areas that were actually Illyria.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 18, 2011 18:35:49 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong Krivo, I am not against someone as monumental in our history as Njegos but truth is that this is a part of our nationalist past which has to be outgrown if we are to succeed as a region.
That was a different time and he was dealing with seriously weakened nemesis of Ottomans (called by Europeans "weak man of Europe" at the time). Nationalisms in this case benefited us cause it freed us from Ottoman yoke (even this was done via unified balkan forces in first balkan war which serves as further testament to our NEED for unity).
Now we, the Balkans, are the weak man of Europe.
Fresh prospective is NEEDED!
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Post by Anittas on Sept 18, 2011 18:36:34 GMT -5
Maybe so, but that doesn't make you original Illyrians ... whatever that would mean. Besides, the Albanians hail from the Illyrians, too.
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