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Post by uz on Sept 28, 2011 22:46:55 GMT -5
no shit but most of the world gets their info from them and it's important to know what everyone is being told.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 30, 2011 3:06:52 GMT -5
If it wasn't for those pathetic mongols claiming south Serbia, and if they had shown the slightest sympathy for the Serbian victims of the wars, if they had NOT recognize Kosovo, i would say i fully support Bulgarians against "ciganizacija".
But as it is the situation, i would say smth like... go bomb the nazi fuckers...
sadly that is the way it is...
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The fact that BBC propagated this to all the world, is not a good sign.... for bulgaria.... and we know how west treats Slavs if they do not give in...
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Sept 30, 2011 7:40:00 GMT -5
It seems Bulgarians don't like the competition.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 30, 2011 23:25:05 GMT -5
20 more years and the gypsies/turks will be the majority of bulgaria....they'll be going back to their roots
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Post by ivo on Oct 1, 2011 21:15:44 GMT -5
This sort of sentiment reassures me that recognizing Kosovo was the right thing to do.
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Post by uz on Oct 1, 2011 21:17:59 GMT -5
^ Now you're sounding like a Croat, with no definitive position, only dependance on another.
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Post by uz on Oct 1, 2011 21:35:20 GMT -5
About 2,000 Bulgarians have marched in the centre of the capital, Sofia, in an anti-Roma protest. In Sofia, the far-right Ataka party's candidate, Volen Siderov, spoke to several hundred supporters outside the presidential palace. He called for the death penalty to be reinstated and for Roma "ghettos to be dismantled", AFP said. Small but at times violent demonstrations by nationalist youth then spread to other towns over the week. The violence is thought to be the worst since 1997, when an economic crisis and hyperinflation brought Bulgarians onto the streets. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15140291
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Post by ivo on Oct 1, 2011 21:47:08 GMT -5
Yeah yeah, sounding like a Croat, sounding like an Albanian.. call it whatever you'd like.
The point is that my people have significant respect for your people, yet they have no idea that there's still a very large percent of Serbs who do not share the same views of Bulgarians.
Hopefully the independence of Kosovo will serve as a wakeup call for some of those self absorbed all hating racists that seem to be the proudest supporters of Serbdom.
My position on Kosovo is firm, always has been. I think that independent Kosovo is good for the Balkans, and can even be good for Serbia. My only concerns were that Bulgaria's recognition of Kosovo would degrade Serbian-Bulgarian political relations.. but then again it ain't like they were rosy to begin with. And as for personal relations, it seems the Serbs who actually respect Bulgarians are only a slight majority.
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Post by uz on Oct 1, 2011 21:52:58 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear that Kosovo's "independance" was not meant to bring stability to the Balkans.
In one sentence we preach unity and in the next we preach "self-determination".
I guess whatever is convenient.
Bulgaria only recognized Kosovo to be in the good books with the EU. This is fair assumption and personally I don't blame your president for it. I bet the reg. Bulgarian citizen will say Kosovo is Serbia.
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Post by ivo on Oct 1, 2011 23:59:54 GMT -5
Kosovo's independence was driven by the US.. it was meant to assert American dominance and further control of the Balkans, though past Serbian politics paved the way.
There are those who support it and there are those who don't.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 2, 2011 3:30:06 GMT -5
ivo the absolute majority of normal serbs consider bulgaria to be a backwards, shoddy country where all women are prostitutes. and i'm not saying this to insult or anything. bulgarians themselves though are not even brought up normally because serbs rarely vacation there and don't mingle much with them.
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Post by elemag on Oct 2, 2011 8:13:27 GMT -5
Here came the mongrel and threw his mightly spell....
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Post by Anittas on Oct 2, 2011 8:32:57 GMT -5
Ruse, do you vote for Ataka?
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Post by uz on Oct 2, 2011 14:09:11 GMT -5
Serbian politics was the only politics openly oposing American dominance in our lands (Balkan-lands - all of our lands). I think it's fair to say the other Balkan nations did nothing; they in-directly supported this American-dominance.
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Post by ivo on Oct 2, 2011 15:31:40 GMT -5
I keep hearing this. You pride yourself in some supposed "stance" against the almighty US.. but the truth is, I'm not exactly sure what you're proud of.
Serbia has been very harsh toward its minorities over the past century. The tactics that Serbia pulled on the Albanians were very similar to those that they pulled on the Macedonians nearly a century ago.. except this time around the world super power intervened against Serbia.
These sort of purposefully violent politics seem to have been an integral part of Serbian history from the time of its liberation 'til only a few years ago.
The irony is that it was Serbia that 'opened' conflict, yet now that partial reparations have been served you seem to think that you're the victims when in fact, it's the other way around.
I'll leave the Albanians and the Croats to speak for themselves as I'm not as informed on those matters, but with regards to Macedonia.. the Serbs had committed atrocities on the local population simply for identifying as Bulgarians.
I've read quite a bit on the matter, and it seems the Muslim Turks treated us with more dignity than did our Slavic Orthodox brothers the Serbs. The fact that most of you are unaware of this bit of history and strive to obscure it, deny it, or simply to overlook it leads me to believe that it was indeed Serbia that has been the aggressor in the rest of the Balkan conflicts.
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Post by uz on Oct 2, 2011 15:41:14 GMT -5
I am not "proud". I just think this is normal, whenever an "almighty-empire" enters our lands we stand up. We do not brag about it, look what happened to us, and look where we are now. What tactics are you implying that we used against the Albanians? The situation is rather reverse. Your perspective on Serbs openely beginning the conflict is hazy. Croats were the first to attack Serbs. This was even confessed by Tudmans men (of course 20 years later, this doesn't matter, right?).
I do not wish to comment on Bulgarian history ( or the supposed Serb-connection), I only know as much as I read from this place (not really an area of my interest).
BTW; Ivo, did you manage to check out Nuit-Blanche last night?
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Post by ivo on Oct 2, 2011 19:17:03 GMT -5
As I mentioned, I'm not acquainted with the nitty gritty details of either the Albanian or the Croatian conflict.. as for me, Macedonia is my main area of interest. I went a couple years back, it was interesting.. but to tell you the truth, that artsy stuff isn't really my thing. Maybe Anittas was right about one thing, maybe I'm not cultured enough. But then again, if being cultured means being like Anittas.. I'll proudly remain an uncultured Balkanian.
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Post by uz on Oct 2, 2011 19:24:54 GMT -5
^ you didn't miss much. By College and Spadina there was a pretty cool spot-light show I was pretty drunk by then, other than that nothin else to really see. It gets smaller/worse every year. I guess that's what happens when the Art-fest is sponsored by Scotia Bank. lol
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Post by ivo on Oct 2, 2011 20:16:51 GMT -5
Lol, Scotia Bank sponsored it eh.. I didn't know. Jokes aside though, these guys are pretty cool. We were trying to open a business account with a couple friends and TD shot us down like dogs, but Scotia are cool even though they're small.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 2, 2011 22:11:55 GMT -5
So Serbia is against US dominance because it'll weaken Serbian influence? Would Serbia tolerate Russian dominance in the Balkans if it gave RS, Montenegro and Kosovo to Serbia?
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