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Post by Sokol on Sept 6, 2011 19:32:53 GMT -5
www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-turkey-the-ties-that-bind"....While official figures are hard to come by as questions regarding Macedonian roots have not been included in the latest Turkish census, it is estimated that as many as six million people living in Turkey today have Macedonian ancestry. Many migrated immediately after the 1912 and 1913 Balkan wars and during the 1950s, when many Muslims opted to leave communist Macedonia behind and moved to Turkey for religious and economic reasons. The biggest concentration of Macedonian Turks can be found in the cities of Manisa and Izmir in western Turkey. Many still speak Macedonian and strive to keep their ancestral traditions alive by organising myriad cultural and sporting events in Turkey and Macedonia....."
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 6, 2011 20:09:06 GMT -5
doesn't sound right..
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Post by missanthropology58 on Sept 6, 2011 20:32:55 GMT -5
Ya.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 6, 2011 22:56:03 GMT -5
Turks want Macedonian passports. MIC NEWS Date: Jan 5, 2010
Descendents of Turks who emigrated from Macedonia to Turkey are trying to learn more about the conditions for taking out Macedonian citizenship and Macedonian passports, which have recently become attractive considering Turkey's visa regime with the EU, Vreme reports.
"My relatives in Turkey have long wished to have Macedonian citizenship but now that visas have been lifted for Macedonia they are seriously intent upon providing one. My cousin is a businessman and he needs to travel freely instead of waiting outside embassies for a visa, wasting precious time. Also, they have relatives in Germany and that is why they need Macedonian citizenship," a Macedonian citizen explains.
The Macedonian Embassy in Ankara, Turkey, confirmed that for a few months now, ever since it became certain that Macedonian citizens will have visas lifted for traveling to the EU member states, Turkish citizens have been calling daily, wondering if they meet the conditions for taking out Macedonian citizenship. Embassy officials further explain that the Macedonian passport is becoming increasingly more attractive, because without visas, only by showing a passport at the border, people could travel in the countries of the Schengen zone.
"The interest in receiving Macedonian citizenship because of the possibility of traveling in Europe visa-free has rapidly climbed up. Telephone lines have heated up. People are just asking for the time being if they meet the conditions. They have not yet submitted applications but we expect them to do so in the coming period," embassy officials say.
The Consulate General in Istanbul, too, has confirmed that the interest has gone up over the past few months and that a lot of people have already applied for Macedonian citizenship.
"The interest has steeply risen since November when it became clear that Macedonia will have visas lifted. Some ten people call every day to learn more. Some even come here. They say they were born in Macedonia, as their fathers and grandfathers, and are inquiring if they could have double citizenship," officials from the Consulate General in Istanbul say.
They underline that everyone is entitled to apply. However, the Interior Ministry in Skopje is the authority to decide if they meet the criteria. Interior Ministry officials say that the conditions for being granted citizenship are very strict and few will be granted Macedonian passports. Among other things, applicants should speak Macedonian and should have lived in Macedonia for at least eight years.
COPYRIGHT 2010 Macedonian Information Centre
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Post by derk on Sept 7, 2011 2:44:37 GMT -5
The majority of the "macedonian" people who live in turkey are actually albanians who lived in macedonia and came to turkey during the balkan wars
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Post by mystery on Sept 7, 2011 13:22:41 GMT -5
The majority of the "macedonian" people who live in turkey are actually albanians who lived in macedonia and came to turkey during the balkan wars ding ding! Not to mention the albanian macedonians who were expelled and deported during communist yugo times to Turkey.. Probably around 150-200k were given visas to Turkey just during the communist times and these don't include the albs from Kosova and other places.. So yeahhh
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 7, 2011 13:35:26 GMT -5
Six million , puh leeze.
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Post by derk on Sept 7, 2011 14:00:09 GMT -5
Yeah, the correct number should be somewhere around 2-3 million, that is albs+macedonians.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 7, 2011 15:26:43 GMT -5
still a bit exaggerated,,, i think a massive majority were bulgarian, also many are croat and serb too, since they identify as "yugoslav gocmeni" rather than arnavut.
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Post by derk on Sept 7, 2011 16:07:36 GMT -5
Bulgarians are a different story, many arrived from bulgaria itself and the ones who came from macedonia arrived in 1912 and they were either turkified dudes or muslim albs... Yugoslav göçmeni is a very broad term and the ones who use that term are the turks who came from serbia proper. Bosnians/bosniaks call themselves boşnak, Albs call themselves arnavut and bulgarians call themselves muhacır (even tho this term actually means balkan immigrant).
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 7, 2011 18:42:02 GMT -5
Bulgarians are a different story, many arrived from bulgaria itself and the ones who came from macedonia arrived in 1912 and they were either turkified dudes or muslim albs... Yugoslav göçmeni is a very broad term and the ones who use that term are the turks who came from serbia proper. Bosnians/bosniaks call themselves boşnak, Albs call themselves arnavut and bulgarians call themselves muhacır (even tho this term actually means balkan immigrant). bullshit. Albs call themselves arnavut...why would they suddenly call themselves bulgar... lol
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Post by odel on Sept 8, 2011 4:44:00 GMT -5
Bulgarians are a different story, many arrived from bulgaria itself and the ones who came from macedonia arrived in 1912 and they were either turkified dudes or muslim albs... Yugoslav göçmeni is a very broad term and the ones who use that term are the turks who came from serbia proper. Bosnians/bosniaks call themselves boşnak, Albs call themselves arnavut and bulgarians call themselves muhacır (even tho this term actually means balkan immigrant). bulls**t. Albs call themselves arnavut...why would they suddenly call themselves bulgar... lol He didn't say that Albanians call themselves Bulgar, he said that they along with mostly Turks from Macedonia came to Turkey, which is true. A lot of Albanians proper both from Kosova, Serbia and Macedonia fled and were moved to Turkey. Many even became Turks to do so in 1953. " The forceful expulsion of the Albanians from Kosova, the Sanjac and Macedonia began during the First Balkan War (October, 1912). According to the documents of Serbian diplomacy, 239,807 people were expatriated until March 1914, without accounting the children up to six years old.
Albanian families from Kosova, Sanjak and Macedonia were deported through Cavalo of Greece and by the land road to Turkey. This forceful emigration continued. According to the evidence on this matter, the number of the expatriated people amounted to 281,747, without accounting the children up to six years old, till August 1914.17" " The first state contacts between Yugoslavia and Turkey about the expatriation of the Albanians to Turkey were made in 1926. These contacts produced a new platform in 1933 on the preparation of grounds for general ethnic cleansing.32
At the Ministry of Agriculture of Yugoslavia was conceptuated the principle: “expatriation of the Albanians can be achieved through a long-term process, since neither Yugoslavia had sufficient funds nor the international circumstances allowed it to be implemented within a short time.33
The political conceptual activity on preparing the Yugoslav-Turkish Convention took place in Istanbul from 9 June to 11 July, 1938. Eight session were held there. The parties came to an agreement of expatriation of 40,000 Albanian families. The Yugoslav-Turkish Convention was signed on 11 July, 1938, under the condition that it should be in effect after its ratification by the parliaments of both sides."" At the population census of Yugoslavia in 1953 many Albanians were forced to declare themselves Turks. This self-declaration would save Yugoslavia and Turkey from public reactions to expatriation of the Albanians to Turkey. An it happened so. Almost 260,000 Albanians declared themselves Turks." www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/kosovo/contents.htm#c1As for the Bulgarians that moved to Turkey: The largest part of them were from the Muslim minorities in Bulgaria; Pomaks and Turks mostly. Bulgaria had a policy on ousting Muslims and more particulary Turks out of Bulgaria, and Turkey had a policy of taking them in easily. Actually refugees from Bulgaria would be taken in immediately as Turkish citizens. A large amount of them fled to Turkey in 1989, from may to august over 300.000 had fled to Turkey, however a lot of them moved back to Bulgaria, about 120.000. (The Balkans, Hugh Poulton)
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Post by missanthropology58 on Sept 8, 2011 4:46:07 GMT -5
"Alberesh'' or Arberesh isn't it?
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Post by derk on Sept 8, 2011 5:33:41 GMT -5
Bulgarians are a different story, many arrived from bulgaria itself and the ones who came from macedonia arrived in 1912 and they were either turkified dudes or muslim albs... Yugoslav göçmeni is a very broad term and the ones who use that term are the turks who came from serbia proper. Bosnians/bosniaks call themselves boşnak, Albs call themselves arnavut and bulgarians call themselves muhacır (even tho this term actually means balkan immigrant). bulls**t. Albs call themselves arnavut...why would they suddenly call themselves bulgar... lol you have comprehension problems...
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Post by alb12345 on Sept 8, 2011 11:48:15 GMT -5
Those turk-macedonian are descents from alexander the great army they were only 300 back then but for over 2000 years in anatolia their number grow to 6 million.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 9, 2011 17:50:05 GMT -5
Bulgarians are a different story, many arrived from bulgaria itself and the ones who came from macedonia arrived in 1912 and they were either turkified dudes or muslim albs
Many arrived from Bulgaria... but u say " the ones who came from macedonia" eg the bulgarians from macedonia were either Turks or Muslim albs. so stfu ... my comprehension is fine.
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Post by derk on Sept 9, 2011 17:54:36 GMT -5
No, you understood it all wrong- but I am not very surprised... Such a useless tyrant will of course have comprehension problems.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 10, 2011 19:46:53 GMT -5
piss off derk
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Post by derk on Sept 11, 2011 2:20:01 GMT -5
where?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 11, 2011 23:09:53 GMT -5
Chento, do you seriously believe this?
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