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Post by derk on Nov 12, 2011 6:00:40 GMT -5
All in order: 1)Reports don't always get leaked, at least not reports such as this. The only matter with me is that I am simply awesome and this effects people with inferiority complex in a negative way hence people are jealous of me. (I have lived in this awesome box for 26 years) 2)No it is not more ridiculous, what I am stating is it truth. 3)They didn't even bother to deny since that report is obviously fake. 4)No they didn't refer to it. 5)It hasn't been brought up countless times during UNSEC sessions. See Uz, all your claims are baseless plus why would I lie? I am neither albanian nor serbian. I have nothing to gain from kosovo discussions. I am simply showing the forum the opinions of an objective outsider. 1)Reports do not always get leaked, correct, but this one was. 2)You’re not stating the truth, you’re stating an opinion, an opinion with zero-grounds 3)They didn’t bother to do deny it b/c it was fake? (again stupid-logic) IF it was fake, NATO would have denied it, they have an obligation to, under International LAW (something you know nothing about). It's called FRAUD. Look it up. 4)I will not bother to answer this, cause you obviously don’t know anything regarding the UN-mandates/law and procedures. I don't even think you know what NATO's protocal is in Kosovo. You say my claims are baseless, yet you have failed-miserably in proving so. You act like a deluded-Albanian, thus I will call you one. You are not objective because all your opinions aren’t even connected to what I post here. You pick on one source and call it "plagiarazed", with zero substance or proof backing your moronic allegations. You see Derk, you really know nothing on the matter, you come here time to time and make an ass of yourself. Think about what I’m telling you mate, I may be bruising your ego but in the long run you’ll remember me and want to thank me. PS; I do not have to counter your arguments. The documentation/sources/quotes/videos/clips counter everything you say alone. All you need to do is read. Exactly! You have failed to provide any trustworthy counter-arguments UZ. Sorry but you just lost this argument... Come better prepared next time or maybe tell me before hand to show you some mercy;) Don't blame yourself tho, it isn't easy to defeat people like me (natural born leaders, awesome people, etc.) in an argument. Start with easier targets...
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 12:26:15 GMT -5
Your apology is accepted Derk . don't mention it. I am glad you see that my skills are a lot more advanced than yours, and that I am naturally superior to you, genetically. Don't be sad tho, every smurf has his day right? Next time proof-read, what you write, and read what you actually quote. That would be a good start.
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Post by derk on Nov 12, 2011 12:50:06 GMT -5
Your apology is accepted Derk . don't mention it. I am glad you see that my skills are a lot more advanced than yours, and that I am naturally superior to you, genetically. Don't be sad tho, every smurf has his day right? Next time proof-read, what you write, and read what you actually quote. That would be a good start. wow, if that's what you understood from my text, you have serious perception problems and even I cannot aid you in your problem. No wonder why you are impossible to debate with... You can't understand even simple statements...
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 13:17:04 GMT -5
I said you said; You have accepted your rampant hetero-phobic idiocy (trolling) as being so. Again, no need to thank me man, I glad I could have helped.
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Post by derk on Nov 12, 2011 13:32:46 GMT -5
Yes, thank you UZ. You have once again reminded me that I am luckily one of the few people here who is of great intelligence. I do not blame you, not everyone is blessed with my IQ, but at least try not to show your shortcomings so much... A day will come when you and your friends will get together and put my picture up on the wall as a sign of respect. Underneath it, it will write: "Derk: The Greatest Man I Have Known- You Heard It Right™". That day isn't so far
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 13:39:38 GMT -5
Ok fine, I'll take it as a compliment. Since you're insisting that I'm the reason for such "greatness" for I give you a purpose to exist . Well thanks for the compliment, no need to flatter I said already it's cool.
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Post by derk on Nov 12, 2011 13:50:35 GMT -5
Well that concludes this topic. Once again, I have destroyed all your baseless claims and lies and left you out in the open, crying to yourself in the middle of the night, wishing you were never born in order to avoid such a disastrous defeat at the hands of your puppeteer. Good luck next time, you will be needing it
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 17:07:53 GMT -5
^ You have not destroyed anything, you've only distrorted the convo. You have yet to prove that you have even read/watched anything posted here. lol
You like the others' who have come here and arrogantly come off as knowing everything have failed in all ways in countering anything that I said. Shqipni13 is the only one so far capable of discussing the topic, he at least seems to concider (even if for a 1 mili-second) what is put here.
I am up to discuss anything regarding the subject, but it must remain in line with the thread.
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Post by derk on Nov 12, 2011 20:01:55 GMT -5
^ın other words, you have lost miserably against me and want to change the topic... Very well, I will grant you mercy this time but don't forget that we are merely a puppet whom I control with my strings. When I say you should dance, you dance...
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 21:17:03 GMT -5
Journalist says she was unwittingly used for propaganda in KosovoNancy Durham, a Canadian journalist who reported the war in 1998-99, has produced a film entitled "The Truth About Rajmonda" in which she says that she was deceived when reporting from Kosovo and that she served for spreading propaganda of the Kosovo Liberation Army. In 1998 in Kosovo she met Rajmonda Reci, an 18-year-old Kosovo girl who, according to the Blic report, told Durham she had joined the Kosovo Liberation Army because her sister was killed by Serb forces. Rajmonda had told the journalist that she was ready to die for the future of Kosovo as her sister did, the report said.
Several days after NATO forces entered Kosovo in June 1999, Durham found out that the main character of her film had lied to her and used her to spread Kosovo Albanian propaganda, the Blic report said.In making the film about Rajmonda, Blic quoted Durham as saying that she wanted to explain why the young woman had lied to her and why it had taken her so long to realize that she had lied to her.ijnet.org/node/75155-------------------------------------- The state news agency Tanjug reported: "Evidently losing ground, the Nato aggressor fabricated another monstrous lie about alleged mass rapes of ethnic Albanian women in Serbia's Kosovo-Metohija, but such a desperate move of Western propaganda, however, was hard to swallow even by some of the United States press.
"It was the Pentagon that fabricated this brand-new lie and exposed its spokesman Kenneth Bacon to the risk of bearing the consequences of deceiving the public and uttering a fabrication about alleged systematic rapes in Yugoslav army camps in Kosovo-Metohija."
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/316147.stm ------------------------------------------------------------------------
".... it was impossible for Milosevic to accept the Rambouillet [peace] agreement because what it asked him to do was allow Nato to use Serbia as a part of the Nato organisation. Sovereignty would have been lost over it. He couldn’t accept that. I think what Nato did by bombing Serbia actually precipitated the exodus of the Kosovo Albanians into Macedonia and Montenegro. I think the bombing did cause the ethnic cleansing. I’m not sticking up for the Serbs because I think they behaved badly and extremely stupidly by removing the autonomy of Kosovo, given them by Tito, in the first place. But I think what we did made things very much worse and what we are now faced with is a sort of ethnic cleansing in reverse. The Serbs are now being cleared out [of Kosovo by the Albanians]. I think it’s a great mistake to intervene in a civil war. I don’t think [Milosevic] is any more a war criminal than President Tudjman of Croatia who ethnically cleansed 200,000 Serbs out of Kyrenia [with the secret help of the CIA]. Nobody kicked up a fuss about that. I think we are a little bit selective about our condemnation of ethnic cleansing, in Africa as well as in Europe."
Lord Peter Carrington - British Defence Secretary (1970/74), British Foreign Secretary (1979/1982), Secretary General Of NATO (1984/1988)
Saga Magazine, September 1999
Ex-Nato chief criticises Kosovo campaign
"I think what Nato did by bombing Serbia actually precipitated the exodus of the Kosovo Albanians into Macedonia and Montenegro," he told the magazine, published by the over-50s holiday club Saga. -
Nato's former Secretary-General and former UK Foreign Secretary, Lord Carrington.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/431279.stm
(read the official interview here;
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Kosovo assault 'was not genocide' (Friday, 7 September, 2001)
A United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians during Slobodan Milosevic's campaign of aggression in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
The controversial ruling by the UN-supervised Supreme Court in the Kosovan capital, Pristina, has angered Albanians, and some UN officials are reported to be preparing to challenge it.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 21:39:44 GMT -5
Camp Bondsteele Camp Bondsteel is the main base of the United States Army under KFOR command in Kosovo. Located near Uroševac in the eastern part of Kosovo, the base serves as the NATO headquarters for KFOR's Multinational Brigade East (MNBG-E). The base is named after Vietnam War Medal of Honor recipient United States Army Staff Sergeant James L. Bondsteel.Camp Bondsteel has many facilities on base for use by the soldiers and civilian employees who live and work there, and can hold up to 7,000 soldiers which makes it the largest US base in the Balkans. The post exchange (PX) is the largest military exchange in south eastern Europe and contains all the necessities and more that someone may need while in Kosovo, including TVs, phones, books, DVDs, CDs, small furniture, video games, computers, clothes, shoes, food, and more, all in its two story building. The base also has, arguably, the best hospital in Kosovo; a movie theater; one gym; two recreation buildings that have phones, computers with internet connection, pool tables, video games and more; one chapel with various religious services and other activities; one large dining facility; a fire station; a military police station; the Laura Bush education center where classes are offered through the University of Maryland University College and Central Texas College; two cappuccino bars, a Burger King, Taco Bell, and an Anthony's Pizza pizzeria; one barber shops; one laundry facilities employing local nationals who do the laundry for those living on base; one press shops; a sewing shop; My Thai massage shops employing mostly Thai women who conduct various massages and are regulated by military officials; various local vendors who sell Kosovo souvenirs and products; softball and football fields; and more.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel--- ‘Smaller Version of Guantanamo” in KosovoThe EC’s human rights commissioner called the prison within the U.S. base in Kosovo ‘a smaller version of Guantanamo’.The British Telegraph writes about two contentious locations, which is Eagle, near Tuzla in Bosnia, and Bondsteel in Kosovo. Both prisons were part of U.S. military bases. According to the most recent information, alleged members of Al-Qaeda were tortured and questioned there and then transferred to Afghanistan and then into Guantanamo.dalje.com/en-world/smaller-version-of-guantanamo-in-kosovo/229833----------------- Kosovo’s dirty secret: the background to Germany’s Secret Service affair One bone of contention was a 67-page BND analysis about organized crime in Kosovo, produced in February 2005, and reported by Frankfurt journalist Jürgen Roth the same year in Weltwoche. The report accuses Ramush Haradinaj (head of government from December 2004 to March 2005), Hashim Thaci (prime minister since January 2008) and Xhavit Haliti, who sits in the parliament presidium, of being deeply implicated in the drugs trade.It is interesting that the report by the Berlin Institute for European Policy also refers to substantial tensions between German and American bodies. “The German report is particular critical of the role of the US, which had obstructed European investigations and which had been opened up to political extortion by the existence of secret CIA detention centres in the grounds of Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo,” writes Weltwoche. “Doubts are growing about the American methods and also as a result of the ‘serious’ description of a high-ranking German UN police officer that the main task of UNMIK’s second in command, American Steve Schook, is ‘to get drunk with Ramush Haradinaj once a week’.”www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11239------------------- In June 1999, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of Yugoslavia, US forces seized 1,000 acres of farm land in southeast Kosovo at Uresevia, near the Macedonia border, and began the construction of a camp. (2) Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, currently provides all of the services to the camp. This same company receives $180 million per year to build military facilities in Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia, and several other countries. Presently, the Bondsteel template is being supported in Georgia and Azerbaijan. According to Chalmers Johnson, author of “America’s Empire of Bases,” the US has about 1000 bases around the world. “Once upon a time, you could trace the spread of imperialism by counting up colonies,” says Johnson. “America’s version of the colony is the military base.” (3) Kosovo is an American colony. The main purpose for the Bondsteel military base is to provide security for the construction of the Albanian-Macedonian-Bulgarian oil pipeline (AMBO). The AMBO trans-Balkan pipeline will link up with the corridors between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea basin, which holds close to 50 billion barrels of oil.www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7941
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 12, 2011 22:05:45 GMT -5
It seems as if your problem is with the "NWO" more than with the Albanians.
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 22:08:17 GMT -5
Camp Bondsteel, the biggest “from scratch” foreign US military base since the Vietnam War is near completion in the Yugoslav province of Kosovo. It is located close to vital oil pipelines and energy corridors presently under construction, such as the US sponsored Trans-Balkan oil pipeline. As a result defence contractors—in particular Halliburton Oil subsidiary Brown & Root Services—are making a fortune.According to Colonel Robert L. McClure, writing in the engineers professional Bulletin, “Engineer planning for operations in Kosovo began months before the first bomb was dropped. At the outset, planners wanted to use the lessons learned in Bosnia and convinced decision makers to reach base-camp ‘end state’ as quickly as possible.”Brown & Root Services provides all the support services to Camp Bondsteel. This includes 600,000 gallons of water per-day, enough electricity to supply a city of 25,000 and a supply centre with 14,000 product lines. It washes 1,200 bags of laundry, supplies 18,000 meals per day and operates 95 percent of the rail and airfield facilities. It also provides the camps firefighting service. Brown & Root are now the largest employers in Kosovo, with more than 5,000 local Kosovan Albanians and another 15,000 on its books.More seriously a senior British military officer told the Washington Post, “It is an obvious sign that the Americans are making a major commitment to the Balkan region and plan to stay.” One analyst described the US as having taken advantage of favourable circumstances to create a base that would be large enough to accommodate future military plans.www.wsws.org/articles/2002/apr2002/oil-a29.shtml(given this is a "socialist-website" and many here will probably jump at me with that, the quotes stated here, and the camps affiliation with former-US-Vice-president Cheneys' Haliburton can all be sourced and verified).
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 22:10:10 GMT -5
It seems as if your problem is with the "NWO" more than with the Albanians. Not sure who you refer to as the NWO, care to elaborate? It's really not about blaming, but more about informing. This is the other side. The whole Kosovo-conflict is much bigger than the "discriminated-Albanians". Is this where you getting at?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 12, 2011 22:11:51 GMT -5
Pretty much.
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 22:18:13 GMT -5
Then I fully agree with you. Understand this. Serbs will blame NATO first and the American policies before they point the finger at Albanians. Inless that Serb has been effected personally in the matter. Albanians just played along with the game. Any Serb with a brain will tell you NATO/US orchestrated it, and they just used the Albanians in Kosovo as proxys. Do I blame the Albanians for supporting NATO? No, of course not. Why would I? NATO did everything that was according the the supposed "Albanian-Dream" the KLA has been promising. Thus they sucked them in on the plan. They told them whatever they wanted to hear, to get the backing.
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 22:20:33 GMT -5
US ran Guantanamo-style prison in Kosovo - Council of Europe envoy - 11.25.2005 The Council of Europe's Human rights commissioner Alvaro Gil-Robles said he had been 'shocked' by conditions at the barbed wire-rimmed centre inside a US military base, which he witnessed in 2002. The camp resembled 'a smaller version of Guantanamo', he told France's Le Monde newspaper, referring to the US centre at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where hundreds of terrorism suspects remain detained without trial. www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2005/11/25/afx2354167.html------- The US and NATO had advanced plans to bomb Yugoslavia before 1999, and many European political leaders now believe that the US deliberately used the bombing of Yugoslavia to establish camp Bondsteel in Kosovo.. According to Colonel Robert L. McCure, “Engineering planning for operations in Kosovo began months before the first bomb was dropped.” (See Lenora Foerstel, Global Research, January 2008)One of the objectives underlying Camp Bondsteel was to protect the Albanian-Macedonian-Bulgarian Oil pipeline project (AMBO), which was to channel Caspian sea oil from the Bulgarian Black Sea port of Burgas to the Adriatic. www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7996
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 22:40:07 GMT -5
Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights; (22 January 2006)
Alleged secret detentions in Council of Europe member statesWhere Kosovo is concerned, the KFOR detention centre (Camp Bondsteel) is not "secret" in so far as its existence has been well-known for a long time now. Back in 2002 the Commissioner for Human Rights, Mr Gil-Robles, reported on his findings in situ. At the hearing with our committee on 13 December 2005 the Commissioner for Human Rights repeated that the Kfor detention centre had “many parallels with Guantanamo: prisoners arrested without recourse to any kind of judicial procedure or legal representation”. Nor is Camp Bondsteel open for inspection by the Council of Europe's Committee for the Prevention of Torture (CPT), which has the right to inspect all places of detention in States Parties to the European Convention for the Prevention of Torture (including Serbia and Montenegro), and which has not hitherto obtained authorisation to visit. assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2006/20060124_Jdoc032006_E.pdf------------- Kosovo: drugs for EuropeTwo years ago a joke was being circulated on the Runet that a heroin producer has recognized its distributor’s independence. It was about Afghanistan, which was to the first to recognize the independence of the Serbian province of Kosovo which had illegally separated from Yugoslavia.A Serbian military analyst and an authoritative expert on the situation in Kosovo, Milovan Drecun says that, according to the Europol and Interpol, the largest amount of heroin is delivered to Europe from Afghanistan via Kosovo. According to some estimates, some 65% of all the world’s heroin is channeled through the former Serbian province; while 90% of all drugs that reach Europe are shipped via Kosovo. According to KFOR secret reports, the clan owns three illegal labs to process heroin. People involved in drug smuggling into Kosovo hold state offices of great importance in the province, says the Serbian military analysts Milovan Drecun in a radio interview with the Voice of Russia, and elaborates. english.ruvr.ru/2010/06/05/9145070.htmlThis book explains the Kosovo/Afghanistan connection nicely.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 12, 2011 22:46:44 GMT -5
Our Albanian dream as you call it will more than likely never be completed I hate to say. Now leaving politics aside. Why does Serbia deserve Kosovë?
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Post by uz on Nov 12, 2011 22:53:43 GMT -5
Our Albanian dream as you call it will more than likely never be completed I hate to say. Now leaving politics aside. Why does Serbia deserve Kosovë? With a question like that how do you put politics aside? Keep in mind according to Serbia, and many other countries (I don't need to mention) Kosovo is simply a NATO occupied territory of Serbia. The UN also treats it as such. They haven't recognized Kosovo nor can they ever, and also they recognize UNRES1244 which re-affirms that Kosovo is Serbia.
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