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Post by uz on Nov 9, 2011 17:53:10 GMT -5
lol no powers here sir,
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Post by Anittas on Nov 9, 2011 18:32:00 GMT -5
16th century [Culture], [Political] Nicolaus Olahus (Olah is the Hungarian exonym for Romanian; it derives from Vlach) Archbishop of Upper Hungary Primate of Hungary Disinguished Roman-Catholic prelate Writer From Wikipedia: "As chancellor and confidant of Ferdinand I, Olahus possessed much political influence, which he exercised in the special interest of the Catholic religion. In 1562 he acted as Regent." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_OlahusAlthough he served the interests of Hungary, he was viewed as being of Romanian ancestry (his father, who was a judge, was Romanian). Or Vlach, if you prefer.
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Post by ivo on Nov 10, 2011 0:31:10 GMT -5
The list has been updated with the following:
Although I'm not quite certain if this fits in the list as it seems he served Hungary rather than the Romanian principalities.
We need to come up with some way to determine the grouping of such achievements. This is similar to the situation with the inventor of the computer, John Atanasoff. Even though he's of Bulgarian ethnic origin, his achievement would probably be more accurately attributed to the United States.
Any suggestions?
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Post by Anittas on Nov 10, 2011 6:33:28 GMT -5
Nicolaus embraced his Romanian identity. In other sources I've read, he's referred to as Vlach. This doesn't seem to be the case with John A. Although I know of a certain John residing in Bulgaria and who was of Vlach origin.
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Post by ivo on Nov 10, 2011 10:17:48 GMT -5
John Atanasoff embraced his ethnic Bulgarian identity as well. After his death, his daughter has spoken on his behalf in Bulgaria on multiple occasions.
Anyhow, as per my comment:
Are we to conclude that the achievement of the person should be attributed to the country with which that person identifies; as in the case of Nicolaus and his 'embraced' Romanian/Vlach identity?
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Post by Anittas on Nov 10, 2011 15:57:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't agree with such a categorization. Italians pride themselves with Columbus' discovery of the Americas, even though he served Spain; and Greeks are proud of their diaspora. Why shouldn't we take credit for what our people have produced? If there's a Romanian out there in the service of a foreign country, who accomplishes great things--and who is proud of being Romanian--then we should indulge in his accomplishments and add them to the pool of our nation's achievement. If, however, a person of Romanian ancestry abandons his Romanian identity and shifts his loyalty to a foreign nation, then that individual should no longer be counted as Romanian.
In the case of Nicolaus, he served the Hungarian crown, but he didn't deny his Romanian ancestry; therefore, we can count him as Romanian.
As for John Atanasoff, if he embraced his Bulgarian identity, then good for him. And perhaps for you. I got nothing against it. Afterall, I counted him as Bulgarian from the first go.
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Post by ivo on Nov 19, 2011 17:33:17 GMT -5
Anything more you think I should know?
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Post by Anittas on Nov 19, 2011 18:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 14, 2012 3:35:59 GMT -5
17th c. (1694) [ Cultural] Saint Sava Academy is founded. The vlachs choose to honor their first cultural center after an ethnic Serb saint. Maybe they really are just latinized Serbs? It'd explain their good looks and why they're at all brave.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 14, 2012 7:15:49 GMT -5
yesterday i was being lectured for almost a full hour by a romanian colleague as to why bulgarians are the meanest species on earth, and why migrating to Bulgaria was a really really bad move. I almost kicked the guy's ass, and challenged him to compare the vlah vs slavic (Serbian-Bulgarian) toponyms in Greece.
Fact is, (after my staying in Bulgaria) : Serbs + Bulgarians are much much closer than anything alb-rom-greek related.
The demonic west knows how to form fake fragile friendships, but also fake fragile conflicts as well.
I am 100% confident that Bulgarians are a nation of the good.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 19, 2012 16:17:35 GMT -5
Bulgarians are like our retarded step cousins, we're embarrassed and can't understand them fully, but we ultimately can't hate
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 19, 2012 16:19:07 GMT -5
Romanians on the other hand, spawn confused gyppos like annitas - enough said.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 19, 2012 16:42:05 GMT -5
bulgarians are trachian not slav nor greek
thats it
romania wil kick serbian ass
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Post by ioan on Jun 20, 2012 13:55:36 GMT -5
Bulgarians are like our retarded step cousins, we're embarrassed and can't understand them fully, but we ultimately can't hate rather its the Bulgarians that feel that way towards Serbs: we find you rather wild, hot tempered, a little bit primitive, impulsive and uncultivated but due to our close blood relation we cant really hate you, we actually like you, maybe due to the fact you act like teenage Bulgarians.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 21, 2012 3:36:56 GMT -5
In other words, you're the passive, senile version of us.
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Post by ioan on Jun 21, 2012 4:04:05 GMT -5
or more balanced, non impulsive grown up version of you.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 22, 2012 16:42:37 GMT -5
And yet Sofia looks like it survived a time-traveling gypsy-hurricane where everyone is stuck in the late 70s.
Meanwhile you lost Macedonia, access to the sea, eastern Serbia and suffering with a 20% gypsy-turk population that's outgrowing the Bulgars 10 to 1.
No you're not balanced, you're way behind in all aspects.
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Post by ioan on Jun 25, 2012 1:33:28 GMT -5
Hello, Serbia doesnt look any better than Bulgaria. It used to, but not anymore. Meanwhile you also lost Macedonia, access to the sea (which Bulgaria has), Kosovo, Montenegro and suffering with a 99% Albanian population that's in Kosovo. Yes you're wild in a childish way and you need big growing up.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 25, 2012 3:42:37 GMT -5
Much of Macedonia was Bulgarian...that was our problem with keeping it, because of the rebel groups there. We never lost access to the Sea, nor did we lose Montenegro (never was a part of Serbia to begin with). Montenegro is a second Serbian state on the balkans. And Kosovo is something we fought (fighting) for, something Bulgarians haven't done in almost 100 years.
Your growing up shows no positives.
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Post by ioan on Jun 25, 2012 6:06:18 GMT -5
Yes, much of Macedonia was Bulgarian...Those people (Macedonians) do have Bulgarian origin, but tnx to Yugoslavia (sebs particularly) most of them are sucsesfully de-bulgarized. Serbia lost access to the sea that you had as a leader of Yugoslavia (via Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia). You lost Montenegro, because although it never was a part of Serbia officially, most of the Montenegrins thought of themselves as Serbs (which is not the case anymore I think) plus they stuck with you through thick and thin till 2006 when they voted their separation from Serbia and Montenegro. Montenegro is indeed a second Serbian state on the balkans (much like Macedonia is second Bulgarian one and Moldova is the second Romanian one), but that doesnt really mean you didnt loose it: you did, in 2006. In this way you also lost your last acsess to the sea (through Montenegro). Kosovo is also slowly but rapidly gaining independance. I think thats the reality. Bulgarians fought for Macedonia and Thrace 50 years ago (Second World War). Presently Bulgaria has no appetites for other countries territories, because we claimed lands ONLY when they had Bulgarian majority. At present no such territory exist so there is no just reason for such a fight. You, on the other hand, have Republika Srubska.
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