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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 4:09:57 GMT -5
In Flanders during the 17th century, the most common description of a handsome and tall lad or simply of good man was "un bon bulgar" from the dictionary of phylosophy by Voltaire. ... "Is it not miraculous, the courage of the conquered Bulgarian people which rose to arms against an Empire" Hans Christian Andersen in his diary ... "The role of the Bulgarian clergy in the middle ages may be compared with that of the irish monks before them" Dmitri Lihachov - Russia ... "The Bulgarians werre the people who contributed the most for the organization and formatrion of the civilization of the whole eastern Europe and its introduction into the civilized world Prof. Geza Fecher, Hungary ... "the historic merit of Bulgaria is the fact that it barred the Turks from Europe. It paid for that in blood, paid with its faith, its freedom and with the decline of its brilliant culture in that time." Prof. Sante Grachotti - Italy. ... "In the other world, in paradise, the beauty of a woman surpasses even the beauty of the Bulgarian woman" Adaloloddin Mohammad Balhi -12th century persian poet. ... "Ucrainians, as well as Russians and Byelorussians, we all remember where our script and roots of culture and Ortodoxy have come from. I want to remind the fact that two of the Patriarchs of the Ucraine are ethnic Bulgarians - Tsamblak and Kiprian" Vjacheslav Pohvalski - Ucrainian Ambassador in Bulgaria. ... "Bulgarians are strong and adamant people which had never been afraid of death. They are good-willing to their friends and fierce to their enemies, infinitely hospitable and they like to live in peace and accord with their neighbours. Hugas Indejedijan - Armenian traveller in his book "Armenian travel notes on the balkans 17th-19th century" ... "The Bulgarian medieval culture is among the seven civilizations in the history of the world which played an essencial role because of its mission as a link between the East and the West" Shigioshi Matsuiama - Japanese Historian ... "The meaning of the name "Bulgarian" is wise, knowledgeable man" Abu Hamid al Aldalusi - XII century arabian traveller ... "The beggining and the possibility for the formation and development of the present Balkan nations started with the creation of Danube Bulgaria" Prof. Geza Fecher, Hungary ... "It should be acknoledged that there exists a profound connection between Eastern and Western Europe in the area of culture and together with that the role of the Bulgarians in the transfer of new civilization impulses should be highlighted." Prof. Harry Salmon, The Netherlands ... "It has been proven that the ancient Bulgarians had one of the most advanced calendars in the world, more acceptable than the chinese and the Indian systems of chronology, more accessible and more practical." Prof. Michele Longon, "Population et Societe". France The twelfve-year animal cycle calendar of the Bulgarians which estimates precisely the lenght of the Earth year by measuring the period of the movement of Jancul(Jupiter) around the Sun, is the theoritical basis for the design of a unified calendar of mankind adopted by UNESCO. btw-team.forumandco.com/t37-topic
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 4:27:03 GMT -5
"Two nations collided, to which retreat has never been helpful in battle. Both the Goths and the Bulgarians wåre surprised that people like them could be found and that among the mankind they could find an adversary equal to themselves… They, the Bulgarians, which never doubted in their victory and from which the world was astonished…! This is the nation that before you had everything it wanted – a nation, which acquired titles, which bought its nobility with the blood of its enemy. A nation, in which the battlefield glorifies the family, because for them, without a hesitation, the nobler is considered he whose weapon is more blood-stained in battle. Earlier, they – the Bulgarians – believed that the world is open for them, but now they think that closed for them is only that part of the land, which you keep!" Enodius from “Eulogy for the Gothic king Teodorikh”, V century AD
”… the fierce in the whole world Bulgarians.” Casiodorus Senator, VI century AD
“The Bulgarians are a huge, mighty and warlike people that have subdued all their neighboring nations. One horseman of theirs can face 100 or 200 horsemen of the infidels. When they go to war they form lines – in front are the archers with their bows, and behind are the women and children…” Abu al-Hassan Ali ibn Hussein ibn Ali al-Massoudi, X century AD
“The Bulgarians were this nation, which – along with the Vikings – contributed the most for the organizing and forming of civilization in whole Eastern Europe. The Proto-Bulgarians organized the Bulgarian-Slavic tribes in one nation, in which the Bulgarian spirit and culture remained as a ferment/yeast for all times.” Prof. Geza Feher
“In human history there are 28 civilizations and one of them is the Bulgarian.” Sir Arnold Toynbee
“Bulgaria, by saving the work of St. St. Cyril and Methodius, has deserved the respect not only of the other Slavic nations, but also of the whole mankind, and so it will be as long as we put a real meaning in the words progress, culture and humanity. Bulgaria not only preserved the great work of Cyril and Methodius from total erasing, but in its lands it developed, enriched and improved this priceless heritage.” Roge Bernar
“Simeon was the Bulgarian Charles the Great (Charlemagne) and even more fortunate than him, because he created the basics of a national literature.” Alfred Rambo
“The Old-Bulgarian literature achieves high levels of development earlier than the literatures of the other Slavic nations. It is with a century older than the Russian literature.” Academician Dmitriy Lihachov
“The Bulgarians stand at the basis of human civilization.” Fransoa Miteran
“History testifies that the Romanians have lived a long time in close contact with the Bulgarians, which have spread their power in the lands beyond the Danube. To this concomitance the Romanians owe their civilization in the Middle Ages.” O. Denshianu
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 18, 2011 4:45:05 GMT -5
"Ucrainians, as well as Russians and Byelorussians, we all remember where our script and roots of culture and Ortodoxy have come from. I want to remind the fact that two of the Patriarchs of the Ucraine are ethnic Bulgarians - Tsamblak and Kiprian" Vjacheslav Pohvalski - Ucrainian Ambassador in Bulgaria. This one, fore sure, will upset Novi Pazar.
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Post by Anittas on Nov 18, 2011 6:50:17 GMT -5
Most of those citations are pure bullshyt, especially this one: Who is this guy? What is his full name? I googled his name and his citation and got 3 results. You call this academical research? Until this source is verified, it is invalid. Congratulation on misspelling the word philosophy. Now can you tell me where you found this quote? The source that you point to, namely Voltaire's Philosophical Dictionary, mentions none of the things said in your citation. I googled the citation given by you and it resulted in ... er ... 4 results--all of which were posted on forums: one of these forums is Stormfront, the other Illyria (also posted by you - illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=jugoslavijayugoslavia&action=display&thread=27849&page=3). I suppose with this post, it makes it five. Now, I went to research on what Voltaire did say about your people, and this is what I found: Link: ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/v/voltaire/dictionary/chapter97.htmlNote: I also searched for "Flanders" and found nothing. The same for this supposed French description "un bon bulgar". If you google the latter, you will find results posted on forums: most of them in Bulgarian. I find it difficult in finding academical sources to this mysterious "Prof. Geza Fecher". The same goes for "Hugas Indejedijan" (7 results), Abu Hamid al Aldalusi (10 results). My guess is that you found these citations on some forum and thought to yourself that you'd show us what your people are made of: and you have shown us--you are LIARS.
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 7:10:26 GMT -5
Yes I found those quotes on another forum and also posted the link from that forum.
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Post by Anittas on Nov 18, 2011 7:15:26 GMT -5
Will you be a responsible poster and try to verify these sources for us? As I have demonstrated, there is much doubt to the accuracy, if not the authenticity, of these sources. I believe some, if not most or maybe even all, have been fabricated.
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 8:05:18 GMT -5
No, I can not verify them. I posted them from the Total War Forum.
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Post by Anittas on Nov 18, 2011 8:16:39 GMT -5
You have good taste in PC-games. I love the Total War series and have played them all except the Japan game. Hey, like I said: credit goes where credit is due.
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Post by derk on Nov 18, 2011 8:23:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't like Shogun as well but the rest are epic.
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 11:05:40 GMT -5
Ioan, thank you for this post. I want you to know that this has motivated me to push myself further in all respects.
Let all those who wish to talk smack, talk it. It makes no difference. The achievements of our people have been recorded by many different sources. Even though some of these quotes may not be entirely accurate, the truth is more or less as it has been presented by them.
And don't worry, I'll verify them. If I'm unable, I'll compile a list of my own with sources that have already been verified.. which will most definitely show us the same thing.
Thanks again Ioan.
I particularly like this quote:
It's good to have Bulgar friends, I can attest to that.
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 11:14:05 GMT -5
And actually, this is what I've said. But you're more than welcome to use my words whenever you see fit.
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Post by Anittas on Nov 18, 2011 11:22:22 GMT -5
And actually, this is what I've said. But you're more than welcome to use my words whenever you see fit. Are you insane? I've been using that phrase since 2001 when I got my first laptop and started to use the newsgroups. This is something that many people say. Not just you or me. It's a common phrase.
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Post by Anittas on Nov 18, 2011 11:24:14 GMT -5
Ioan, thank you for this post. I want you to know that this has motivated me to push myself further in all respects. Let all those who wish to talk smack, talk it. It makes no difference. The achievements of our people have been recorded by many different sources. Even though some of these quotes may not be entirely accurate, the truth is more or less as it has been presented by them. And don't worry, I'll verify them. If I'm unable, I'll compile a list of my own with sources that have already been verified.. which will most definitely show us the same thing. Thanks again Ioan. I particularly like this quote: It's good to have Bulgar friends, I can attest to that. Go ahead and verify them. Tell us how many of these are lies and how many are accurate. Maybe the Bulgarians are not BS us to 100 percent. Maybe they're BS us to only 70 percent. You can begin with the Voltaire citation. Just don't use Candide as your source of inspiration. You won't find what you're looking for there.
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 11:26:19 GMT -5
^ Blah blah blah..
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Post by Anittas on Nov 18, 2011 11:27:53 GMT -5
Good argument. Now go and fabricate some citations describing your superiority. So sad when a race of people need to asort to such manipulative action.
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 11:32:23 GMT -5
^ Blaaah... blaaaaah... blaaaah
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 13:33:09 GMT -5
Ioan, thank you for this post. I want you to know that this has motivated me to push myself further in all respects. Ivo you ve pushed yourself enough trying to proove with quotes from different authors/sources that morons like Novi are wrong. And what have we achieved except wasting our time? Oh yes, he became bigger moron (if thats possible).
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Post by terroreign on Nov 18, 2011 13:36:31 GMT -5
Good argument. Now go and fabricate some citations describing your superiority. So sad when a race of people need to asort to such manipulative action. this forums' albanians have repeatedly been known to do this, thus i scratch my head in wonder as to why you're so buddy-buddy with them?
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 14:15:14 GMT -5
Thanks Ioan! This means a lot coming from you, but to be honest, I haven't given this forum my all.. this is just 60%, at best. I think the following quote from the movie Rush Hour is very applicable here: So the way I see it.. let the smack talkers talk all the smack talk they want. No one can make them look as stupid as they make themselves look. This is especially true for Pazar as he disproves his own arguments with his own sources. I'm only speaking of myself here.. but this forum has pushed me to expand my knowledge and to clarify some things about basic human psychology. I've made mistakes and misjudgments here that I'll be sure never to repeat. In essence, this is the perfect practice ground.
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 14:44:42 GMT -5
uou 60 perecent? I think you ve always been more than accurate with everything you quoted. Also I can not remember the countless times you caught Novi misquoting authors/sources. I cant imagine your 100 perecents!!! Cant wait!
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