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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 7, 2011 18:29:17 GMT -5
Russia: protesters on Moscow's streets to blame Putin's party cheated on election
According to AP, it reported that thousands of protesters have taken to Moscow's streets to blame Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's party of cheating on Russia's parliamentary election in order to win the largest share of the seats. It might be the biggest opposition rally in years and ended with police detaining about 300 activists. A group of several hundred marched towards the Central Elections Commission near the Kremlin on Monday night, but were stopped by riot police and taken away in buses.
Estimates of the number of protesters ranged from 5,000 to 10,000. They chanted "Russia without Putin" and accused his United Russia party of stealing votes.
In St Petersburg, police detained about 120 protesters.
United Russia won about 50% of Sunday's vote, a result that opposition politicians and election monitors said was inflated because of ballot-box stuffing and other vote fraud. It was a significant drop from the last election, when the party took 64%.
Pragmatically, the loss of seats in the State Duma appears to mean little because two of the three other parties winning seats have been reliable supporters of government legislation. Nevertheless, it was a substantial symbolic blow to a party that had become virtually indistinguishable from the state itself.
The result has also energized the opposition and poses a humbling challenge to Mr Putin, the country's dominant figure, in his drive to return to the presidency.
Mr Putin became Prime Minister in 2008 due to presidential term limits, will run for a third term in March, and some opposition leaders saw the parliamentary election as a game-changer for what had been presumed to be his easy stroll back to the Kremlin.
More than 400 Communist Party supporters also gathered on Monday to express their indignation over the election, which some called the dirtiest in modern Russian history. The Communists finished second with about 20% of the vote. In addition, about 60% of Russia's 110 million registered voters cast ballots, down from 64% four years ago.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Dec 8, 2011 3:21:18 GMT -5
That's a low turnout, 60%. I didn't think so many Russians were indifferent towards politics.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 8, 2011 3:53:22 GMT -5
They probably think there's no point.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 8, 2011 13:35:24 GMT -5
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 8, 2011 13:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by srbobran on Dec 8, 2011 15:03:03 GMT -5
Honestly, Russia needs someone like Putin. Democracy can only function in developed countries with stable economics and a stable political scene. Till then, they need a strongman who gets stuff done quickly and efficiently.
Putin has been doing his job well. Russia was in a pathetic state after Yeltsin left. Putin brought Russia out of the shitters and back onto the world stage as a superpower. After being piss poor just a decade ago, they have the 11th largest economy on earth and one that despite the recession, is growing at a healthy 6% per annum.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 8, 2011 15:25:44 GMT -5
If media is fully controlled by the hand of the (powerful) few and if options presented to the public are created by the same then the question that rises is whether there even is such a thing as so called democracy.
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Post by Anittas on Dec 8, 2011 15:58:35 GMT -5
Okay, so why aren't people permitted to protest against Putin again?
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Post by uz on Dec 8, 2011 16:07:16 GMT -5
Sure, but let's see some pro-Putin supporters. We're not stupid, we know they exist, I want to hear what they have to say. Rest assured BBC and other reputable new agencies wont bother, if they do, they just might find some soccer hooligan to relay his opinion and present it as the Putin-stance.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 8, 2011 16:17:28 GMT -5
Okay, so why aren't people permitted to protest against Putin again? They can protest against him there isn't a Communist movement in Russia anymore. If anything no one can protest against the Jew S of A Attachments:
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 8, 2011 16:20:39 GMT -5
Sure, but let's see some pro-Putin supporters. We're not stupid, we know they exist, I want to hear what they have to say. Rest assured BBC and other reputable new agencies wont bother, if they do, they just might find some soccer hooligan to relay his opinion and present it as the Putin-stance. Basically, the the same Yids with their one sided media as soon as they see anyone especially a Slavic goverment that's against them THEY ARE SCARED of people TAKING A STANCE against them
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 8, 2011 18:49:44 GMT -5
Sure, but let's see some pro-Putin supporters. We're not stupid, we know they exist, I want to hear what they have to say. Rest assured BBC and other reputable new agencies wont bother, if they do, they just might find some soccer hooligan to relay his opinion and present it as the Putin-stance. Most of the people who voted for United Russia were Caucasians, Tatars, Mongol minorities and a few ethnic Russians.
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Post by uz on Dec 12, 2011 18:16:11 GMT -5
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 12, 2011 18:53:17 GMT -5
Last girl looks Armenian.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 12, 2011 19:08:16 GMT -5
Some words from an anti-Putin Russian on the internet:
Economy based on selling raw-materials You say life increased by several times last years under Putin's rule. Okey guys, it's true, but maybe we check prices on oil these years to see they grown by several times too? Maybe you also check and see Russia is BIGGEST oil & gas exporter? We sell more oil and gas than anybody else, what a great achievment. It work nice now, but guess what, they will end some moment. From selling gas ond oil we get absolute majority of our money, instead of developing some new technologies and making our products competitive in the world. You said Skolkovo, you said nanotechnology? But it's a joke, another possibility to steal some money for involved people. Am I lying? Well, then please show me some new inventions from Skolkovo anybody uses. I guess you can't. So, according to this, we just have to say "Thank you mister Putin for giving some money from selling Russian natural resources not only to your friends like mister Timchenko, but to people too!", am I right?
Putin is the only savior from evil West Retards here and in other places always says to critics of Putin's regime they are just paid agents of West, and West is just going to make african scenario revolution, or stupid shit like that. Well, you think 30k-80k people who went on this meeting were paid by USA? Hello, mister retard, they are actually people who are not so happy about Putin even without foreign money. You know, history must teach us how to avoid mistakes, but it actually fail in it, because people likes to make stupid mistakes over and over again. When authority wants to distract people from inner problem, the EASIEST AND MOST POPULAR way is just to find outer enemy. And Russia has such enemy of course! And it's huge, it's whole fucking capitalistic West, and of course only holy Putin could save Russia from this beast. According to Putin and his fans people on the West only live to harm or conquer poor Russia. Why not to try to become actually friends with West, of course if you will be considering them as enemies they will pay you the same. But no, of course Hillary paid me to say that and we can't believe anybody besides Putin. There is also other historical mistake, which were very common among people in Russia for centuries - The Tsar is holy, he is not guilty. Plain people in Russia always though Tsar is a kind nice guy, who can't do anything bad, and if some shit happens in his country, well, it's just his evil associates who does all the evil things, and he doesn't know his people suffer. Putinists are probably blind and can't see things in Russia aren't so good, or they are thinking it's totally not Putin's fault, which is very, very silly assumption.
Corruption like in Africa Let's look closely on corruption, for example. Doesn't Putin know there is corruption everywhere in Russia, that Russia is one of the most corrupted countries in the world, staying in corruption list near african countries? Of course he and Medvedev know it and they even say they are fighting it with all of their hard. But let's look closely, no one became jailed because of scandalous Magnitsky case, even if there are many proofs those officials were guilty. Wife of last mayor of Moscow won 99% of government tenders in Moscow, everyone knew it, there was many publications, but no one gave a fuck until last time. And even when Medvedev fired him, he wasn't arrested or something, like "Okey, okey boy, you stole enough, now you may be free, just leave this place, other people want to steal something too". There was always scandal about watches of different officials, who weren't businessmen, so officially they were getting their salaries from government, but they all had watches which costed like their 1+ years salaries, Putin and Medvedev likes expensive watches too, of course. Oh, and by the way, for some strange reason many of Putin's friends who were just small businessmen before 2000 soon became dollar billionaires, but it was probably luck and their talent. Totally not if they get some strange presents from government oil companies, controlled by Putin.
Censorship (Not like North Korean, but he is trying!) ) I also heard from putinlovers democracy is actually shit, we don't need it, it's just diabolic-USA invention to set revolution in Russia and make it weak, also there is no any freedom in USA too, etc, etc. But guys, I think silly Occupy Wall-street were shown on American TV, please Murrka, admit it were. And what about Russian meetings against shitty elections? At first they didn't show it at all. After last meeting shown some, but without pleasure, I guess, just because it were thousands people in different cities, too many to hide. You also will not see in government controlled TV any facts about Putin's billionaire friends, any other info against United Russia, any bad things about them, even if there will be proofs. So do you guys actually like this, do you like taste of authoritarian cock in your mouth? You think you are stupid bydlo and don't deserve to get many points of view, you think you are too stupid and may occasionally believe some filthy western propaganda, so it's better when Putin feeds you all he wants and nothing else? Nice point, guys, nice point.
Hipsters want to set bloody revolution. There are people saying about these meetings like it's start of Revolution or even Revolution on African example, sponsored from West. But you know guys, I was there, I heard what people there said and what people wanted. People just get tired of Putin, of his shit party, of his fake elections. They want some change, but they want LAWFUL change, it's not crowd of savages who wants to kill and destroy, these are citizens who wants their rights to be respected. Only one guy, who spoke from tribune (it was some nationalist) started to say something about upcoming revolution, but as soon as he started this crowd started to "BOOOO!" and someone near me even shouted him "GO TO HUI!", so there are probably some extrimists, because hatred of Putin connected very different people, but extrimists are not majority, most of the people want change by lawful means, they want to do reelection and to free people who were jailed on first meetings, such cases.
Reasons to love Putin Finally, I guess putinlovers mostly have these silly reasons to love him: 1) Life became better last years and now it's not supershitty. - That's all because of oil and gas, and they will end some day, but Putin doesn't really care or do much to improve other industries, there are some attempts, but they are not effective. 2) They probably think country = rulers of country, so when someone criticize Putin they take it as personal offense and see criticizer as Russia hater and West agent - actually too stupid to discuss. 3) Putin gave us stability after crazy 90s! - It's not stability, it's stagnation with many problems, corruption in hightest echelons of power, lack of freedom of speech( so much people doesn't even know about all of authority fails), raw-material economy, etc.
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Post by uz on Dec 12, 2011 19:36:50 GMT -5
Last girl looks Armenian. lol ya, she doesn't look Russian at all.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 12, 2011 19:41:05 GMT -5
What's with the Coca-Cola bear?
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Post by uz on Dec 12, 2011 20:36:40 GMT -5
What's with the Coca-Cola bear? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_BearIt often was and is used by Westerners, to begin with especially in Britain and later also in the US, and not always in a flattering contextnormally it looks similiar to the grizzly bear, not sure why this one in particular is polar.
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Post by uz on Dec 12, 2011 22:02:18 GMT -5
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Post by morgannick on Dec 13, 2011 4:12:57 GMT -5
Great stuff! I really like reading through your post, I wanted to leave a little comment to support you and wish you a good continuation. I think you made some pretty neat points in Features also. Thanks for sharing.
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