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Post by Kanaris on Jan 8, 2012 21:25:08 GMT -5
Welcome home my people..... This is from the book 'blood and oranges' by Christopher M. Lawrence.. I know Rex is going to try to put a spin on it... but his world as he knows will eventually collapse around him.... I always maintained that Arvanites were Greeks living amongs the albanian populations back then...who somehow lost their identities.. when the call came they stood up like proud ancient warriors..Being hidden among the Albanian kept them more pure.. until the time came for them to fight.
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 8, 2012 21:42:14 GMT -5
just let it go, this is just getting sad at this point.....no they were greek but became albanians and then changed their mind back to greeks....you're clutching at straws, what utter stupidity that seems to always circlr around balcans isssues, people will defend the indefensible, will debate the undebatable and will rationalise the unrationable simply because they feel a little bit better about themselves.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 8, 2012 22:00:06 GMT -5
You're starting to sweat.. no kidding... I would too... Why let it go? There are varied opinions out there... Why do we have to read all the crap you guys post? Think about it... your country was liberated in 1912..... not by Arvanites.... I know you ask your self those questions... that and the missing 1000 year gap... soon I'll show where that is if you're a good boy..
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Post by Hellenas on Jan 9, 2012 1:42:17 GMT -5
Nice post Kanari.
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 5:24:18 GMT -5
You're starting to sweat.. no kidding... I would too... Why let it go? There are varied opinions out there... Why do we have to read all the crap you guys post? Think about it... your country was liberated in 1912..... not by Arvanites.... I know you ask your self those questions... that and the missing 1000 year gap... soon I'll show where that is if you're a good boy.. nothing you could ever post will worry me, i just find it sad, you go through these periods of quiet acceptance where you seem to let your logic take over and then out of nowhere you have these new found, all inspired epiphanies and you burst into life once more...greek cling on to the faintest references, the most obscure and flimsy connection and make a major case out of it, whereas we post hundreds of references by foreign authors and yet you dismiss, arvanites were albanians and there is nothing you can do to change that.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 6:53:53 GMT -5
You so rigorously defend it because of the sole reason that your were told to...its not epiphanies I was just lazy to read... and find out for myself, now that I have I see you guys were missing from history cause there was NOTHING there to report.. Face it if it wasn't for the slightest hint that arvanites might by the stroke of luck be Albanian....the world would have found out about Albanians in 1912...
Too bad none of them are around anymore to put this to rest.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Jan 9, 2012 7:28:13 GMT -5
Ha ha you tell 'em Kanaris.
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 7:57:45 GMT -5
You so rigorously defend it because of the sole reason that your were told to...its not epiphanies I was just lazy to read... and find out for myself, now that I have I see you guys were missing from history cause there was NOTHING there to report.. Face it if it wasn't for the slightest hint that arvanites might by the stroke of luck be Albanian....the world would have found out about Albanians in 1912... Too bad none of them are around anymore to put this to rest. i'm not gonna engage in an infantile back and forth with someone who reasons like a disgruntled adolescant, to me the issue of arvanites its a moot point, all the historical accounts are there for everyone to see, i don't understand why you're so bitter and worked up? you're blatantly trying to convince yourself.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 9, 2012 11:14:47 GMT -5
"Turk lickers "
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Post by rex362 on Jan 9, 2012 11:16:22 GMT -5
latest weapon .....
Canaris ..have you even bothered to watch this docu ?
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Post by rex362 on Jan 9, 2012 11:40:17 GMT -5
kai ena alo akoma !!!!
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 11:46:41 GMT -5
Rex I am reading books that were written at that time... I saw the documentary it made no reference to any of the revolutionaries as bieng Albanian... maybe the Albanian subtitles led you to believe otherwise.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 9, 2012 11:55:27 GMT -5
oh ok
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 12:58:50 GMT -5
You realized the bald guy is not Greek...and I agree with what the vid is saying..Basically the Germans came to Athens and found misery and despair and only Albanian speaking people and they went back to Germany saying they didn't find any Greeks there... Hey hoopla ha..of course they didn't find any Greeks there... The Greeks were busy fighting and the Albanians having being resettled in Athens from years ago were the majority there... The author speaks of arvanites in a different tone from Albanians... Notably is good that they separated them... to be distinct and having nothing to do other than being able to speak albanian from the rest of you.
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Post by robertpaulson on Jan 9, 2012 13:09:49 GMT -5
Progress in Language Planning: International Perspectives (Contributions to the Sociology of Language) Juan Cobarrubias (Editor), Joshua A. Fishman (Editor) Publisher: Mouton De Gruyter (July 1983)www.amazon.com/Progress-Language-Planning-International-Contributions/dp/9027933588/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315602408&sr=1-1&tag=533643275-20Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity Jonathan M. Hall (Author) Publisher: Cambridge University Press (June 26, 2000)www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Identity-Greek-Antiquity-Jonathan/dp/0521789990/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315601824&sr=1-1&tag=533643275-20Language and Nationalism in Europe Stephen Barbour (Editor), Cathie Carmichael (Editor) Publisher: Oxford University Press, USA (February 28, 2002)www.amazon.com/Language-Nationalism-Europe-Stephen-Barbour/dp/0199250855/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315601735&sr=1-1&tag=533643275-20 Encyclopedia Of European People Publisher: Facts on File; First. edition (May 2006)www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-European-People-Regional-History/dp/0816049645?tag=533643275-20Clicky: journals.cambridge.org/action/dis....ine&aid=2993612Abstract Literature on language death offers abundant information on the grammatical, phonological, lexical, and sociolinguistic processes that a dying speech form can undergo. However, work remains to be done in the area of narrative skills and performance. This article examines the creative manipulation of certain narrative devices, including bilingual lexical resources from modern Greek and Tosk Albanian in stories offered by a residual group of fluent Albanian speakers in Greece. In a community, which is highly variable from the point of view of the allocation of its Arvanítika (Albanian) linguistic and sociolinguistic skills to various population segments, fluent speakers manage to achieve a significant performance breakthrough by foregrounding and evaluating information important for their attitude building and vital to their social existence. Narrative performances become ways of relating historical events and past experiences in present-day life. The article makes the point that in studies of language death a more intensive use of the ethnography of speaking paradigm can be of great value for the detection of sensitive areas of speech behavior and change. (Narrative performance, language death, ethnography of speaking, Balkan sociolinguistics, Tosk Albanian, Greek) Transactions of the Philological Society. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-968X.1977.tb00350.x/abstractFirst sentence reads: It is not too widely known that a majority of villages in the Athens area of Greece are inhabited by people of Albanian rather than Greek ethnic origin.International Journal of the Sociology of Language. cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2018923Arvanitika is the language spoken by the descendants of colonists of Albanian origin, the Arvanites, who migrated to Greece during the Middle Ages.If you want more, just ask Rex to share from his stash
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 13:45:56 GMT -5
What is an Albanian Greek? Rhetorical question you dont' have to answer it.
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Post by robertpaulson on Jan 9, 2012 13:51:13 GMT -5
What is an Albanian Greek? Rhetorical question you dont' have to answer it. One rhetorical question deserves another. What is a Greek Canadian?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 13:56:01 GMT -5
haha aren't you tired of getting embarrassed repeatedly mike? just let it go
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 13:58:39 GMT -5
why are you removing my posts without giving a heads up btw?
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Post by missanthropology58 on Jan 9, 2012 14:01:43 GMT -5
What is an Albanian Greek? Rhetorical question you dont' have to answer it. One rhetorical question deserves another. What is a Greek Canadian? A Greek man who lives in Canada Like a Canadian Greek is a Canadian man who lives in Greece. So, Tosks Arvanties whatever this nonsense is all about are Albanians of Greek descent because they're a type of Albanian tribes/people who immigrated to North Greece.
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