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Post by as on Jan 11, 2012 4:30:17 GMT -5
In the end who really cares about ones blood? it's ones identity that is important
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 11, 2012 6:31:48 GMT -5
i agree, over time origins doesn't really matter
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Post by rex362 on Jan 11, 2012 10:33:14 GMT -5
In the end who really cares about ones blood? it's ones identity that is important well kind of I do ,bcs Hellenas playing the dna card on us
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Post by as on Jan 11, 2012 18:14:20 GMT -5
In the end who really cares about ones blood? it's ones identity that is important well kind of I do ,bcs Hellenas playing the dna card on us that may be a rrsponse to all the posts you have made about Greeks and Arvanites and you theories of their origins. Why you do I have no idea.
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Post by as on Jan 11, 2012 18:15:43 GMT -5
i agree, over time origins doesn't really matter more to the point, over time nobody is pure of blood, unless of course the start inbreeding in which that case you have more important problems to worry about the then purity.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 11, 2012 19:22:37 GMT -5
well kind of I do ,bcs Hellenas playing the dna card on us that may be a rrsponse to all the posts you have made about Greeks and Arvanites and you theories of their origins. Why you do I have no idea. Aadmin pays him to stir up chit...
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Post by tsompanos on Jan 12, 2012 9:54:28 GMT -5
In the end who really cares about ones blood? it's ones identity that is important What he said.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 12, 2012 10:56:11 GMT -5
so lets become Evre if it becomes convenient for us then
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Post by rex362 on Jan 12, 2012 12:04:52 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Jan 12, 2012 12:07:05 GMT -5
and another important note :
Arvanitas are not immigrants in Greece, but its residents immemorial.
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Post by as on Jan 12, 2012 19:29:01 GMT -5
and another important note : Arvanitas are not immigrants in Greece, but its residents immemorial.Yes well are they Albanians now?, or Greeks?
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Post by rex362 on Jan 12, 2012 20:17:09 GMT -5
by blood Albanian ....but brainwashed
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Post by Hellenas on Jan 12, 2012 21:20:59 GMT -5
Brainwashed are the Albanians not the Hellenic Arvanites who are of Greek blood. Arvanites anthropologically Hellenes.In anthropological studies of Theodoros K. Pizziou, the Aegean population Arvanites are different morphologically and to their characters compared with the Albanians. It states: "The examination of these groups (Arvanitofonon), one in Messenia, one and two in Argolis Korinthia showed that in no way stand out from the total population of the Peloponnese or from neighboring groups. In any of the ninety maps features designed not resemble each other more than with their neighboring geographical groups. Also, the statistical dendrogrammata, simultaneous comparison of several features not arvanitofones groups separated from the rest of the Peloponnese. This research shows that the Arvanites were only Hellenes. Dr. Theodoros Pitsios received his graduate degree in Physical Anthropology, with a minor in Genetics and Paleontology, from the Johannes Gutenberg Universität of Mainz, in Germany, from which institution he was later awarded his PhD in Natural Sciences. anthropology-museum.med.uoa.gr/1ceng.htmThe Arvanites are Hellenes.The Arvanites have nothing to do with Albanians, the Arvanites came from Arvanon or Arvana of centeral/southern modern Albania. This area always called New Epiros and inhabited by Hellenic populations. The Albanian state is a construction of the big powers of that time(1912) and never before in history existed any country or any people in the Balkans called "Abania" or "Albanians"(only in Caucasos there is a country called Albania). Even the name "Albania" cames from the word "Albani" which means CHEAT. Said the Arvanite Dr. of Literature Petros Fourikes. The Arvanites were albanized Greeks with a small admixture of Tosk. Arvanites came from the Greek lands of Arvana in albanized Greek North Epiros. Most of Arvanites after the Greek revolution went in Calabria & Sicily along with Greek Maniates, so not much Arvanites remained in Greece. Also there is a misunderstanding with the Arvanites, many Greeks during the Turkish occupation "played" the Arvanites so to avoid the persecution of the Turks(the masters of the Turkalbans), so you have Greeks speaking "Arvanite" and dressing like Arvanites even if they were 100% Greeks. Many Greek Peloponnesians also spoke Arvanite so to speak with the Arvanites and some Athenian traditional garments(like the white shirt) confused with the Arvanite shirts by non-Greek travelers(that's why they said that no Greeks remained in Athens). The Arvanites found identical racially to southern Greeks, they are different racially from Albanians and belong mainly to the southern Greek Mediterranean racial type, something which proves that they were/are 100% Greeks racially as well.
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Post by as on Jan 13, 2012 1:02:39 GMT -5
by blood Albanian ....but brainwashed yeah yeah, Brainwashed or voluntairly assimilated?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 13, 2012 5:47:28 GMT -5
there is no such thing as voluntary assimilation, the hellenisation was agressive and intimidating, the albanian language was banned from being spoken in public and in scools, greek history was deliberately altered in order to cover up the truths.
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Post by as on Jan 13, 2012 6:49:18 GMT -5
there is no such thing as voluntary assimilation, the hellenisation was agressive and intimidating, the albanian language was banned from being spoken in public and in scools, greek history was deliberately altered in order to cover up the truths. If a family moves from Nigeria to England, then thier children will grow up in an English one, not a Nigerian one. They will inevitably become English. Unless of course you have hostility from the local population. So this is what happened in Greece, except in Greece Albanians could get an education in the country if convereted to Christianity and learnt Greek. It happens overtime. There are excpetion of course, ie Mexicans in the US
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 13, 2012 6:51:06 GMT -5
That is why so many Albanians spoke Greek before the Greek revolution? Who forced them then to speak Greek and have Greek names,the Turks?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 13, 2012 8:14:16 GMT -5
If a family moves from Nigeria to England, then thier children will grow up in an English one, not a Nigerian one that is not assimilation, that is integration. its not the same, arvanites were not immigrants, they had lived in those lands for centuries and generations in their own communitties.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 13, 2012 8:22:25 GMT -5
Well,lines were drawn, signatures were signed and peoples changed countries within a day..
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 13, 2012 8:25:35 GMT -5
what's the point of all this? what are we talking about here?
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