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Post by falansteru on Feb 9, 2012 5:30:09 GMT -5
nicetas of dacia was protoroumanian? or protobulgarian? or protoserbian?
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 9, 2012 6:06:46 GMT -5
Protoroumanian.
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Feb 9, 2012 13:23:12 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 9, 2012 13:23:12 GMT -5
On the English page, some Slave wrote „Some theories exist he was born a Greek or Dacian/Slav.[2] [3]”. The Slaves were yet to be herded by the Huns and Avars from their far away burrows. This is „Te Deus Laudamus” composed by Niceta de Remesiana a hymn who sometimes was and still is wrongfully attributed to Ambrosiu of Milan and others. It is sung also in Romania and some other Eastern Churches.
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nicetas
Feb 9, 2012 16:48:55 GMT -5
Post by bowandarrow on Feb 9, 2012 16:48:55 GMT -5
When you think *Dacia* you naturally think Romanian.
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nicetas
Feb 9, 2012 18:14:59 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 9, 2012 18:14:59 GMT -5
We have several accounts of his activities from Paulin de Nola who received Niceta in Rome and preserved and transmitted some of his works: Paulin de Nola wrote about Niceta teaching the Bessi and the two types of Dacians, those that till the soil and those that wear fur caps and have large flocks, to praise Christ with a Roman heart. It's obviously one clear account of the ethnogenesis of the Romanian people.
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nicetas
Feb 10, 2012 3:38:27 GMT -5
Post by falansteru on Feb 10, 2012 3:38:27 GMT -5
quotte When you think *Dacia* you naturally think Romanian. Nope; were many Dacia provinces; north and south of Danube, realms of today Roumania, Bulgaria, Serbia; NB the south 2 provinces Dacia spent more time under roman/ east roman (byzantin) administration than north 3 provinces Dacia; For this reason I think that both serbs and bulgarians and roumanians can believe they are true descendants of the dacian; and my point of view is that this can is the answer to what these three people have in common; not only, but very important. For various reasons (Pan-Slavism, Romanism including political rigor substrate)) we have learned only a false history that emphasized only what has separated us and not what we had in common. A history that says for example that Romanians were baptized by Bulgarians forgetting that the Romans were already Christians hundreds of years before, another history that does not explain why the Romans used the slavonic language in church , another were Marko Kralevic is glorified as a hero of Christianity, but does not explain why was killed by his uncle Mircea the Old at Rovine, etc. May be it's time to discuss " sine ire et studio" and see that we are actually more same than different.
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Feb 10, 2012 5:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 10, 2012 5:23:03 GMT -5
"another were Marko Kralevic is glorified as a hero of Christianity, but does not explain why was killed by his uncle Mircea the Old at Rovine, etc."
Because he was vassal to the Ottomans and invaded Wallachia with the Turks.
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nicetas
Feb 10, 2012 5:50:39 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 10, 2012 5:50:39 GMT -5
@ falansteru
What history say Romanians were baptized by Bulgarians? Maybe you're talking about Bulgarian history. That is alternative history written by and for challenged people. I've learned about Niceta and the other Proto-Romanian father of the Church in school.
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nicetas
Feb 10, 2012 9:38:38 GMT -5
Post by elemag on Feb 10, 2012 9:38:38 GMT -5
Don't take it so painfully. Have a tuica, eat some slanina and calm down. After all, no matter what, you will always be a miserable hateful person.
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Feb 10, 2012 14:03:55 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 10, 2012 14:03:55 GMT -5
Romanians are Orthodox Christians today because your forefathers lived in Bulgarian provinces at a time when all citizens of Bulgaria were baptized.
Study your religious and spiritual terms and see what you come up with. Start with 'bogdaproste'.
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Feb 10, 2012 14:37:02 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 10, 2012 14:37:02 GMT -5
True, the orthodoxy - the official religion of Romania was introduced via the Bulgarians. First the Romanians lived in then Bulgarian provinces and till 19th century used Bulgarian as their church language. Were they christian before that? No one knows, no one knows what people lived north of the Danube till 11th century, let alone their faith. Actually we know about Gepids, Bulgars, Slavs, Avars etc... but not about Romanians/Vlachs till at least 11 century (when they are mentioned south of the Danube, in macedonia). The reality is their country was officially christianed in a faith that was KEPT by Boris.
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Feb 10, 2012 14:40:09 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 10, 2012 14:40:09 GMT -5
As for Nicetas origin: even if he was a Dacian (the Greek origin is also popular) I would say that makes him as much Romanian as Spartacus or Orpheus were Bulgarian.
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Feb 10, 2012 15:20:19 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 10, 2012 15:20:19 GMT -5
True, the orthodoxy - the official religion of Romania was introduced via the Bulgarians. First the Romanians lived in then Bulgarian provinces and till 19th century used Bulgarian as their church language. Were they christian before that? No one knows, no one knows what people lived north of the Danube till 11th century, let alone their faith. Actually we know about Gepids, Bulgars, Slavs, Avars etc... but not about Romanians/Vlachs till at least 11 century (when they are mentioned south of the Danube, in macedonia). The reality is their country was officially christianed in a faith that was KEPT by Boris. You say that no one knows of our religion prior to the 11th century, yet you seem to know that you converted us. You are such a stupid people. The dumbest people in Europe, even though you're not white. My god, how dumb you are. Bulgaria should not exist. The Bulgarian identity is a tragic thing.
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nicetas
Feb 10, 2012 15:21:31 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 10, 2012 15:21:31 GMT -5
As for Nicetas origin: even if he was a Dacian (the Greek origin is also popular) I would say that makes him as much Romanian as Spartacus or Orpheus were Bulgarian. Spartacus was a Thracian and you claim Mongolian origin. You can't have Spartacus, but you can have that rapist ... what's his name again ... Genghis Khan!
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Feb 10, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 10, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Anittas its ironic to call me or Bulgarians stupid since you are unable to understand what I meant. You were not mentioned till 11th century as people. You emerged miraculously in 11th century as ORTHODOX people and your services in BULGARIAN language while living in what was Bulgarian provinces. We may strongly suppose that IF you were present north of the Danube in 9th century then you got what is now your religion, not prior. I wouldnt go as far as saying Romanians should be erased from the earth because I dont dislike them except for some assholes in this forum. Believe it or not Annitas your claim on the Dacians is as strong as Bulgarian claim on the Thracians: we have their genetic contribution, but neither Romanians nor Bulgarians speak Dacian or Thracian language(if it wasnt the same language). P.S. There is no Bulgarian that claims Mongolian origin.
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nicetas
Feb 10, 2012 15:42:15 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 10, 2012 15:42:15 GMT -5
We were mentioned as a people prior to the 11th century, north of Danube. Yes, we are a miracle.
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Feb 10, 2012 15:59:20 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 10, 2012 15:59:20 GMT -5
in what source exacly? I can remember only one source about the Avars speaking vulgarized latin and thats it. Not only its about the Avars, but also the Avars were south of the Danube.
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Feb 10, 2012 17:07:47 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 10, 2012 17:07:47 GMT -5
True, the orthodoxy - the official religion of Romania was introduced via the Bulgarians. Do you have any proof for that? Is there any proof of the Romanians being pagans and Bulgarians or somebody else Christianizing us? Of course this is a rhetorical question. The history is like that: When the Byzantines reconquered the lands infested for so long by Asiatics, Basil II placed the Vlachs throughout Bulgaria under the jurisdiction of the Ohrida Archiepiscopate and founded a Vlach bishopric in the diocese of Ohrida. This is the moment when the Bulgarian clerics started infiltrating the Romanian Church. I'm sure you're talking about the Slavonic language. You are invited to find any Romanian document written in Slavonic which calls that language Bulgarian. The used of Slavonic language in the Romanian church was ended by law sometime between 1740 and 1750 but it fell out of use for more than a 100 years before that and while it was in use only the liturgy was in Slavonic. I couldn't care less about the origin of Niceta, he was a Latinophone local baptizing and teaching the Dacians, Bessi, and others to pray to God in Latin „with a Roman heart”. Those people are our forefathers. And you have in common with Spartacus and Orpheus as much as the Turks have with Thales of Miletus.
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nicetas
Feb 10, 2012 17:40:26 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 10, 2012 17:40:26 GMT -5
The Bulgarian identity is an illusion. It's hokus pokus.
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Feb 10, 2012 17:43:28 GMT -5
Post by elemag on Feb 10, 2012 17:43:28 GMT -5
Compared to the Romanian identity, the Bulgarian one is as old as T Rex.
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