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Feb 14, 2012 5:45:23 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 14, 2012 5:45:23 GMT -5
These retards don't understand that we have historical chronicles from the 15th and 16th centuries that describe the formation of the Romanian identity and the linguistic affiliation. I suppose we're being political when we bring them up; or the Italian sources. What a bunch of monsters.
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Feb 14, 2012 6:05:43 GMT -5
Post by falansteru on Feb 14, 2012 6:05:43 GMT -5
5. BOSCORODIREA In Dictionarul explicativ al limbii romane din 1975, citim: "a boscorodi" vine de la cuvintul ucrainian "boskorodity" si inseamna a vorbisingur, spunind cuvinte neintelese, adica a bodogani.Am vazut in capitolele precedente cum s-a introdus limba slavona inlocul celei latine. Dimitrie Cantemir in Descriptio Moldaviae, pag.152, incamentioneaza procedeul de taierea limbii celor care nu vor folosi limbaslavona. Deci metoda de inlocuire a limbii latine cu limba slavona a fostfacuta cu o extrema violenta. Preotii care nu cunosteau limba slavona, au inceput a imita prin suneteasemanatoare, pe care nici cei ce ascultau nu le intelegeau. Deci, s-a produsun fenomen unic in lume si nemaiintilnit in istorie "boscorodirea". Ceeroare! Vorbirea clara si cu inteles a frumoasei noastre limbi, inca informare, deci o latina vulgara, aducea cu sine pedeapsa taierii limbii. Iar schimonosirea, bolborosirea unor cuvinte, fara de inteles, pe care sufletul siconstiinta le detesta, erau dovada de conformism si straduinta de supunereera acceptata, chiar incurajata. Asa s-a ajuns la cea mai degradanta injosire aconstiintei!Cultul lui Dumnezeu a ajuns o insirare de sunete cu prefixe si sufixeslavone. Acesti preoti romani "boscoroditori" aveau in psihicul lor convingerea falsului si a inselatoriei. Au ajuns sa nu stie sa citeasca. Uneorinu cunosteau decit Tatal nostru (Ocinasele) si mai rar Crezul, in limbaslavona, restul serviciilor era boscorodit. www.scribd.com/doc/3677457/Episcop-Ioan-Ploscaru-SCURTA-ISTORIE-A-BISERICII-ROMANE
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Feb 14, 2012 6:25:39 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 14, 2012 6:25:39 GMT -5
falan, we sont understand this dialect - since you get rid of its bulgarian features in 19 century.
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Feb 14, 2012 6:43:24 GMT -5
Post by falansteru on Feb 14, 2012 6:43:24 GMT -5
Preoþii noºtri din acea vreme îndepãrtatã se sfinþeau de episcopi latini din dreapta Dunãrii. Aceasta era o tradiþie de mai multe veacuri. Când bulgarii ajung stãpâni în sudul Dunãrii ºi introduc ritul slav în Bisericã… strãbunii noºtri, urmând vechea tradiþie, se duceau la centrele episcopale slave, pentru sfinþire de preoþi, antimise ºi alte trebuinþe creºtineºti,deºi nu se puteau înþelege în limba latinã, care era ºi a Bisericii româneºti (subl.n.). ªi fiindcã episcopii slavi nu ºtiau latineºte ca sã înveþe pe preoþii noºtri… nefiind în apropiere episcopi creºtini latini, unde ar fi putut merge preoþii noºtri la sfinþire. Introducerea ritului slav, deci, începe a prinde rãdãcini în Biserica româneascã în veacul al X-lea, cucerind-o cu totul în cel urmãtor, întãrindu-se pentru a putea stãpâni mai multe veacuri… Împãratul bizantin Vasile al II-lea, numit Bulgarohtonul (ucigãtorul de bulgari), sfarmã cu totul, la 1018, statul bulgar, a cãrui populaþie se refugiazã în bunã parte în nordul Dunãrii. Între aceºti refugiaþi au fost foarte mulþi clerici, care au întãrit la noi în Bisericã ritul slavon. Se poate spune cã introducerea limbii slavone în Biserica româneascã se datoreºte acestor refugiaþi, între care au fost mulþi preoþi, episcopi etc. Prin aceºti refugiaþi s-au introdus în Biserica noastrã mai multe oficii ºi slujbe bisericeºti cu numiri greco-slavone, precum ºi alfabetul cirilic". illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=balgarijabulgaria&action=post&thread=35129&page=3
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Feb 14, 2012 6:45:35 GMT -5
Post by falansteru on Feb 14, 2012 6:45:35 GMT -5
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Feb 14, 2012 8:19:14 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 14, 2012 8:19:14 GMT -5
falan, we sont understand this dialect - since you get rid of its bulgarian features in 19 century. Shut your F mouth! Shut it, you freak! We still have 25-percent pollution in our language and ALL of it should be exterminated! And you wouldn't understand Romanian even before the 19th century, so STFU! Ask your scholars about Romanian and they will know what to say. You're a dumbass uneducated bytch; how dare you act as an authority on the subject of our language!
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Feb 14, 2012 8:32:29 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 14, 2012 8:32:29 GMT -5
cunt you are the only one here who desperately need to shut the fuck up. you are clueless on all subject not only on your forcefully debulgarized/frenchized language. shut the fuck up and get out of this forum. you are obsessed with bulgaria, because you want to understand the magical power the bulgarians had on your grandpas... education, we were educating the shepherds.
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Feb 14, 2012 9:54:44 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 14, 2012 9:54:44 GMT -5
You god damn Mongol rapist, listen here: it was wrong to adopt all those French words, just as it was wrong to adopt all those Mongol-Bulgarian-Tatar words. If you had remained in Siberia, or Tatarstan, or wherever the hell you hail from, we would've been fine. No one invited you to settle here. No one wanted you to settle here. The Vandals, sure, they were cool. They also had hot women. You had neither, so STFU and start planning your vocation to Mongolia.
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Feb 14, 2012 10:01:46 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 14, 2012 10:01:46 GMT -5
Lol, magical power... You were and are a nation of uneducated servants. Slaves. Slaves of all sorts of Turks and even Greeks. Romanians saved you from the Greeks and you thanked us by stealing our country and falsifying its history, Romanians saved you from Hungarians who conquered your western parts and established the Hungarian Banat of Bulgaria until the Prince of Wallachia crushed the Hungarians and kicked them out restoring your ridiculous ruler, Straţimir, who called himself a Cesar (Czar). Lastly, like Anittas like to point out, Romanians saved you from the Ottomans. We were fighting for ourselves but by defeating the Ottomans, that unfortunate side effect took place.
Now, when are you returning home, in Mongolia? You defiled our lands long enough. You uneducated weaklings.
Countless Romanians died for you, you grew on our land and blood. Tell me of a Bulgarian that did something for Romanians, but how to expect such a thing when you are a nation of cowards that didn't even fought for yourself, you just betrayed us on every occasion you had, a nation of betraying slaves.
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Feb 14, 2012 10:44:58 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 14, 2012 10:44:58 GMT -5
Lol Anittas is getting emotional. Catcher, chillout bro and get better acquainted with your history.
Oh, and as for Anittas, I'll have you all know.. he's not just another gypsy!
He's at least a semi-literate, who suffers from delusions of grandeur. This is why it is so difficult for him to accept that the "Romanian" identity is a recent anomaly founded on a political dream of some confused French wannabes.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Romania or Romanians, I've dealt with a lot of them.. and the truth is, most really do see Slavs as inferiors (probably the result of Russian influence, and Romania's misplaced hatred). On the other hand, they go crazy for all that artsy Western European stuff, particularly all things French.
It's rather ironic.. Westerners see Romanians as gypsies (just an observation, don't mean any insult by this), and at the same time, Romanians often behave as if they're ready to turn their tongue into a French asswipe.
To be fair, Westerners have a low opinion of my people as well.
Now, Anittas will come back angry, posting personal insults, and most probably insults toward Bulgaria and Bulgarians as a whole; but it really doesn't matter, because everything I've written in this post is the complete truth.
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Feb 14, 2012 10:59:20 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 14, 2012 10:59:20 GMT -5
This is a bold statement.. here are the numbers of all allied participants in the Russo-Turkish War.
Your participation on the anti-Ottoman side is definitely appreciated, but we can't close our eyes and start believing the same political fairy tales of your supposed "history" because of that. It wouldn't be right.
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Feb 14, 2012 12:13:26 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 14, 2012 12:13:26 GMT -5
Lol, magical power... You were and are a nation of uneducated servants. Slaves. Slaves of all sorts of Turks and even Greeks. yet it was the slaves language that your aristocrasy and church used for 1000 years. Yet you used alpabeth developed by the Bulgarian Kliment. Which exactly is your country? You miraculously appear in 10th century in Macedonia. Good you were performing your vassal duties. exactly, you were fighting for yourself mainly. You were awareded with Bulgarian northern Dobrudga. And I really want to see you fighting this war without the Russians. Too bad we dont know where the heck we should return you back to... You apear miraculously in 10th century.
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Feb 14, 2012 14:04:02 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 14, 2012 14:04:02 GMT -5
@ivo The Russian troops that fought in the Balkans were about 280.000, with the Ottomans deploying around 180.000. After the Russians crossed the Danube, with Romanian help, they suffered massive loses at Plevna (I think it's called Pleven in Bulgarian). In that moment the Russian Duke Nicolae sent a desperate telegram to Prince Carol of Romania in which he wrote: „the Ottomans are crushing us at Plevna, please cross the Danube”. The Romanian forces crossed the Danube and at Plevna after a few days of fight, the only gain and the decisive one was made by our troops who conquered and hold the Griviţa redoubt, the most important one that the Russians failed several times to take it. The Ottomans tried later to sally out but were intercepted and the Ottoman general Osman Nuri Pasha surrendered his sword to the Romanian colonel Mihai Cerchez. If not for the Romanian intervention, because of the stalemate and the losses and diseases, the Russians would have had to ask for peace and nothing would have been changed in the Balkans. ioanIt wasn't that used as you like to think. By 1650 Slavonic was eliminated from chancellery, while the aristocracy wrote in Romanian well before 1600. The Cyrillic alphabet it's very much the Greek alphabet with minor changes. It only shows that you didn't developed anything, we just used it like you did, even adding new letters. The only miracle is that we have in Europe a nation that speaks a Slav language, has a Turkic name and occupies Romanian land. We did performed our usual job to save your sorry arse.
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Feb 14, 2012 15:47:30 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 14, 2012 15:47:30 GMT -5
It wasn't that used as you like to think. By 1650 Slavonic was eliminated from chancellery, while the aristocracy wrote in Romanian well before 1600. The Cyrillic alphabet it's very much the Greek alphabet with minor changes. It only shows that you didn't developed anything, we just used it like you did, even adding new letters. Blah blah... If the Greek alpabeth was so perfect a question pops right away: why did you use the Bulgarian alphabeth and language? ?? Obviously your grandpas thought its superior not inferior, no matter what YOU may think. Learn your real history, not some fairytales based... on wishful thinking. But most of the Romanian official history is far from history (I mean you cant really have a history when you appear in 10th century SOUTH of the Danube). How do you occupy land of people 4 centuries before they appear and are noticed by anyone? Thats the real question.
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Feb 14, 2012 15:49:14 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 14, 2012 15:49:14 GMT -5
Bro, my ex girlfriend (an ethnic Romanian) got me icons from a Romanian church in 2006.. the words on those icons were Old Bulgarian. She couldn't read them, nor knew what was said. Her family couldn't read the text either, they just accepted it without asking questions.
Ahh such ignorance.
The Cyrillic alphabet was based on the Greek, the Latin, and partly the Glagolithic alphabets. The creation of this alphabet is credited to St. Clement of Ohrid, and it was devised on the orders of Tsar Boris I. Coincidentally, the oldest inscriptions in Cyrillic are found in Preslav.
As for the Greek alphabet, it was based on the Phonecian one.
Gypsies commonly take credit for the achievements of others; they often steal things that don't belong to them. I must say, you, along with a variety of Romanians, exhibit these traits down to a t.
Hmm.. that may be why you're commonly associated with Gypsies.
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Feb 14, 2012 15:57:03 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 14, 2012 15:57:03 GMT -5
By the way, Romanians dont have "country" till 14th century, some 7 centuries AFTER the Bulgarian state was established. That makes it hard to steal anything from a country established 7 centuries after the so called "thief" country. Do the Romanians have ELEMENTARY logic? And thats rethorical question.
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Feb 14, 2012 16:12:30 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 14, 2012 16:12:30 GMT -5
Ioan, they're retards.
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Feb 14, 2012 16:59:59 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 14, 2012 16:59:59 GMT -5
Bro, my ex girlfriend (an ethnic Romanian) got me icons from a Romanian church in 2006.. the words on those icons were Old Bulgarian. She couldn't read them, nor knew what was said. Her family couldn't read the text either, they just accepted it without asking questions. Old Bulgarian? There was no Old Bulgarian, get it in your head. It's Church Slavonic. You keep repeating these ridiculous thing that Church Slavonic is Old Bulgarian. It's like an Italian (not to say Romanian) looking at a Hungarian or Polish medieval painting, inscription or chronicle and claiming it's old Italian. Only an nation who lack any achievements can make so much noise over twisting an alphabet. The citizens of Rome or all the Italians are not making such fuss that much of the world is using the Latin alphabet. In fact I don't think they even thought about it, that's because they have real accomplishments. That's very good way to describe yourself. You take credits for the achievement of others. You call the Asan's Wallachia "The Second Bulgarian Empire". You call a Greek standardized language "Old Church Slavonic" written in a twisted Greek alphabet and call it Old Bulgarian. You claim the Thracians, you claim the Slavs, you claim the Bulgars... but wht don't you claim. That Gipsy camp that you call Bulgarian state wasn't a state, that's why you fell like a rotten tent when the wind blew. What's the connection between the first Gipsy camp: the first Bulgaria who was less of a state and more of a Turkic hunting ground, with the "Second Bulgaria" in fact a Wallachian state created by Wallachians and overwhelmed later by Slavs and with the third one, the actual one, created by Russian with our help? More of the connection exists between Justinian's Romania and our Romania.
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Feb 15, 2012 7:10:45 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 15, 2012 7:10:45 GMT -5
Old Bulgarian? There was no Old Bulgarian, get it in your head. It's Church Slavonic. You keep repeating these ridiculous thing that Church Slavonic is Old Bulgarian. Wrong. No matter how you choose to call the language, it is proven since 19 century that this language is the language from which modern Bulgarian evolved. It is not disproven still. Your comment has nothing to do with the discussion. We are discussing language, not paintings. However an Italian could claim that the Hungarian or Polish medieval inscription or chronicle were written in the language from which Italian evolved like we do with your inscriptions, icons, books, letters etc. written in Old Bulgarian. Your grandpas thought the twisting was amazing since they prefer using cyrillic (devised by the Bulgarian Kliment) to latin alpabeth. I dont think so. The Italians do think they are the centre of the European civilization. Have you read Musolinis journal??? I think most Italians share those thoughts. I m sure they are proud that most of the world do use their alphabeth. No thats the feature of the Romanians. They pride themselves on foreign cultures who has nothing to do with them - Roman, Byzantine and Bulgarian. Not only us - the whole world calls it that. I guess minus the Romanians. Its understanable you want to "own" Bulgaria... Its a trait with you: Roman empire is "your country", then Byzantine empire. When in reality none of the three was ever "Romanian". Uou!!! Now OCS is Greek!!! Such an ignorance!!! Well at least we claim people that inhabited our lands. You ignore those (Avars, Bulgars, Cumans etc.) and concentrate on the Romans who ruled Romanian territory for 200 years. yet your grandpas looked up to this camp, aquiring its culture. The people, the culture, the tradition, the language etc... Basically everything. Too bad it wasnt even situated on the Romanian territory... There is no link between both people, cultures, traditions and language.
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Feb 15, 2012 7:24:38 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 15, 2012 7:24:38 GMT -5
No, you are retards. You are a retard. Take an IQ test and see for yourself.
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