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Post by croatchessmaster on Feb 10, 2012 20:29:16 GMT -5
Milos Obilic was a medieval Serbian knight in the service of Prince Lazar, during the invasion of the Ottoman Empire. He is not mentioned in contemporary sources, but he features prominently in later accounts of the Serbian defeat at the Battle of Kosovo as the legendary assassin of the Ottoman sultan Murad I. Although he remains anonymous in the extant sources until the late 15th century, the dissemination of the story of Murad's assassination in Florentine, Serbian, Ottoman and Greek sources suggests that versions of it circulated widely across the Balkans within half a century after the event. Serbian Hero Milos Obilic swearing on the evening before the Kosovo battle that he will kill Sultan Murat which he later didThere is a fresco of Milos Obilic on the wall of the Mt. Athos Greek Orthodox monastery ; Generally, it is the winner of the battle who generally gets to write the history, but there are some exceptions. Remember the Alamo? That was a battle between Texans and the centralist government of Mexico, in which the Texans lost. They were all killed, but the Alamo is still there, and it is a kind of shrine to Texans, located in San Antonio, Texas. Another battle where the losers got to write the history was Thermopylae, in Greece, where the Greeks lost after being outnumbered by a huge Persian army. The Blackbird Field was such a place where the losers got to write the history, at least the history as taught in Serbia, and in Greek monasteries. The larger theme, of course, was the jihad by some Muslim rulers to spread Islam in Europe, and the crusades by some Christian rulers to resist the jihad. Milos Obilic - The original founder of the Dragon Order. Milos Obilic, a Serbian knight, had created the secret order of the Dragon of Saint George. His shield represented the sun with twelve rays and there were twelve knights, himself included, belonging to this order. As a distinctive sign, they wore a dragon on their helmet. The aim of the order was the death of the Ottoman Sultan Murad I. The order of the Dragon was consecrated and organized as a crusading order of select nobility under the protection of the Holy Roman Emperor, Sigismund of Luxembourg, in 1408. Its precepts and organization were based on those of the French order of knighthood, the Order of Saint George of Burgundy. Twenty four members were initially inducted into the order in the single rank of Knight of the Dragon. These esteemed individuals included: Sigismund von Luxembourg as Grand Master, Stefan Lazarevic, King Alfonso of Spain, King Ladislas II of Poland, Grand Duke Vitold of Lithauania, Christopher III of Denmark and Duke Ernst of Austria. The Order received Papal recognition in 1411 and its ritual and symbols were formalized. The motto of the order would be “O Quam Misericors est Deus,” and the protector of the Order would be Saint George. The symbol of the order was to be the insignia of the dragon, with its tail curved around its neck and the cross of Saint George emblazoned on its flank. Mantles of the order were black with red lining. Knights of the order were required to wear their dragon insignia at all times and some were even buried with their regalia. As the Order expanded among the knights and nobility of Hungary, Poland and the Balkans, Sigismund chose to expand the order in 1431, creating a rank system and galvanizing the main aim of the society, that of driving the Ottoman Turks from Eastern Europe and protecting the Byzantine Empire. To this effect, the Order of the Dragon divorced itself from a traditional, dynastic Order of Chivalry associated with the House of Luxembourg, the Holy Roman Empire or the Crown of Hungary. Instead, the Order became a crusading brotherhood, akin to the Orders of Malta, the Temple or the Hospital of Saint John. It was agreed among the leading members that, upon the death of Emperor Sigismund, the position of Grand Master would not pass to his descendents but to a worthy member of the Order, popularly elected by the other chief nobles.
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Post by croatchessmaster on Feb 10, 2012 20:43:29 GMT -5
The Ottoman forces were split into the usual three sections. The centre commanded by Murad himself with the foot; the right by his son Bayezit with the European Sipahi cavalry; the left by his other son Yakub with the Anatolian cavalry. The core of the Ottoman army consisted of Turkish troops although there would have been contributions major contributions from the Albanians and minor from Bulgarian and Greek vassals. Prince Lazar's army included a core of Serbian troops including his son-in-law Vuk Brankovich together with the Bosnian leader Ban Tvrtko and other contingents including Croats, Wallachians and Albanians. The Serbs occupied the right wing and the allies on the left with commanding the reserves. Vuk Brankovich abandoned the field at a critical moment exposing Lazar's flank, leading to the Prince's capture. Victory appeared to be on the side of the Serbs when the sultan was killed by Milos Obilic, who made his way into the Turkish camp on the pretext of being a deserter and forced his way into the sultan's tent and stabbed him with a poisoned dagger. Although the battle was an Ottoman victory the Sultan's elder son Yakub also died in the battle and therefore Bayezit had to establish the succession by returning to Anatolia. Battlefield monument Northern portal Plaque at top of monument with Serbian view of the battle. + Battlefield looking towards the south west and the Ottoman positions. View to the north and the Serbian positions.
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Post by croatchessmaster on Feb 10, 2012 20:49:21 GMT -5
Miloš Obilić Medal for Bravery, 1913, bronzeCircular gilt bronze medal with loop for ribbon suspension; the face with a portrait of Miloš Obilić in armour wearing a winged helmet and inscribed ‘МНЛОШ ОБИЛИЋ’ (Miloš Obilić); the reverse with a cross pattée alisée with crossed swords between the arms and a circular central medallion inscribed ‘ЗА ХРАБРОСТ’ (For Bravery) within a laurel wreath; only residual gilding remaining, some age spots; on replaced but correct ribbon. The medal was initiated on 12 July 1913 and awarded to officers for acts of bravery on the field of battle in the short war with Bulgaria. It continued to be awarded during World War I. Miloš Obilić, son-in-law of the medieval Serbian King Lazar, killed the invading Ottoman Sultan Murad I in his tent on 15 June 1389 during the crucial Battle of Kosovo. Murad’s son, Beyazid I, later had all Serb prisoners, including Obilić, killed. During the nearly five hundred years of Ottoman occupation that followed, Obilić’s self-sacrifice in the cause of Serbia achieved near-mythical heroic status. The medal was made by Arthus Bertrand of Paris and Huguenin Frères of Le Locle, Switzerland and, after 1918, in Belgrade, Zagreb and Varaždin.
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Post by croatchessmaster on Feb 10, 2012 21:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 10, 2012 23:03:05 GMT -5
I heard there were some problems with the account of Milos Obilic because he's only recorded to exist years after the battle of Kosovo.
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Post by vinjak on Feb 11, 2012 0:18:17 GMT -5
I did not think that that traitorous pig Trvrtko was there on the battlefield, as far as I was aware he sent a token force to Kosovo.
I heard there were some problems with the account of Milos Obilic because he's only recorded to exist years after the battle of Kosovo.
And where did you hear that ? not from the Albanians was it ?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 11, 2012 0:22:03 GMT -5
I did not think that that traitorous pig Trvrtko was there on the battlefield, as far as I was aware he sent a token force to Kosovo. I heard there were some problems with the account of Milos Obilic because he's only recorded to exist years after the battle of Kosovo.And where did you hear that ? not from the Albanians was it ? by his croat priest apparently. the stories of Milos and his mother (Vojvodina who used to feed her child with her breasts from behind) as depicted in balkan stories and legends (yes even in Greece), are so wide spread, that i doubt that the peasants of all balkans contributed in some sort of secretly organized conspiracy... LMAO @ napoleon
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 11, 2012 3:09:26 GMT -5
And where did you hear that? I was reading about him, and because there are no birth records and Milos was not mentioned before the battle of Kosovo, nor right after. The first sources didn't mention his name, but they said he was Serbian and was Christian. And it wasn't until a Greek man in the 15th century that the unnamed Christian Serbian was named. This Greek called in Miloes. Then a few years after this, the first Serbian mention of Milos Obilic appeared. I think that's why some historians doubt he existed (or at least it was someone else). This will probably offend Serbs, sorry. not from the Albanians was it ? I can't read Albanian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 11, 2012 9:46:07 GMT -5
^^^^ LOL, Yes Greeks are so pro-slav, they invent new Serbian heroes in their sleep. LMAO Naps... Just LMAO
Maybe those pro-slav maniacs invented Stefan Dusan as well, and named 90% of their villages after Slavic toponyms just for the funk of it.
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Post by ulf on Feb 11, 2012 14:05:51 GMT -5
^^^^ LOL, Yes Greeks are so pro-slav, they invent new Serbian heroes in their sleep. LMAO Naps... Just LMAO Maybe those pro-slav maniacs invented Stefan Dusan as well, and named 90% of their villages after Slavic toponyms just for the funk of it. why not?
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Post by uz on Feb 11, 2012 15:31:58 GMT -5
The battle was definitely lost but keeping in mind that the Turks also got demolished, they had to re-organize and rebuild themselves back in Anatolia. The Ottoman expansion was inevitable; Giant Empire vs small nation. The battle of Kosovo represents heart, a battle that was to be lost but you still give it your all and make the enemy work for it, in this case a murdered sultan, his killed son, massive loss in troops and resources. They basically had to pullback as they "won".
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Post by terroreign on Feb 13, 2012 3:52:28 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 13, 2012 6:00:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading your posts chessmaster, thanks
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 13, 2012 6:02:03 GMT -5
Chessmaster, would you like to play a match of chess with me?
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Post by croatchessmaster on Feb 13, 2012 18:30:08 GMT -5
Milos Obilic (Bronze Sculpture,1908,Paris). Ivan Meštrovic Museum (his Family House and Atelier) in Zagreb.During his stay in Paris (1908-1910), Ivan Mestrovic worked in his Paris atelier, dedicated to his unfinished and never realised political symbolic and mystic project of the Kosovo temple in Belgrade. The temple was supposed to be furnished with hundreds of stone sculptures representing national heroes, widows, caryatides, sphinxes… In his artistic ecstasy, he employed all his extensive technical knowledge, overwhelming working energy, and incontestable talent to make some fifty sculptures of supernatural size in record time. The sculptures were mostly cast in plaster, even though some were carved in stone. Many were later lost or destroyed. With his fragments of the Kosovo cycle, Mestrovic participated in the international art exhibition in Rome in 1911, where he won the first prize and his first significant international acclaim. Petar Radicevic 1987
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Post by croatchessmaster on Feb 13, 2012 18:44:58 GMT -5
Battle of Kosovo; Victory of Defeat?
The Battle of Kosovo left both the Serbian and the Turkish armies virtually destroyed and neither was able to strike a final blow against the other.
Following the death of Sultan Murad I, who was the only Turkish Sultan ever to be killed in battle, his son Bayezid secured his own succession to the throne by having his brother Yakub killed. Weakened, the Ottoman Turks were forced to halt their advance into Europe and they returned from whence they came without pushing any further into Serbia. It wasn’t until 1459, some 70 years after the Battle of Kosovo, that the Ottomans finally managed to subdue Serbia following a slew of further battles and conflicts.
A powerful empire with a large and well-equipped army was stopped from advancing further into Europe by the much smaller and weaker Serbia; the Ottomans lost their Sultan and their plans for conquering the Balkans were derailed for seven decades. It is hard to imagine that the Turks would have considered this kind of outcome a decisive victory for the Ottoman Empire.
In fact, the Serbian King of Bosnia, Stefan Tvrtko I Kotromanic, who himself contributed forces to the Battle of Kosovo, sent numerous letters to European capitals in which he claimed that the Christian Serbs defeated the Ottoman Turks on the Field of Blackbirds in Kosovo. His letters reached Trogir, Venice, Florence, Vienna and Paris, and in return he received letters of congratulations from his European allies.
Some 250 years following the Battle of Kosovo, Benedict Kuripesic, member of the Austrian diplomatic mission to Constantinople and historian of the Balkans region, came to the conclusion that when the circumstances of the battle are considered in the appropriate historical context, the Turks were in fact defeated in the Battle of Kosovo. This Islamic military campaign in Serbia was put to an abrupt halt and it was forced to retreat, which, according to Kuripesic, signified defeat.
After finally conquering Serbia in 1459, the Ottoman Empire would eventually set its sights on Vienna, and in 1529 Suleiman the Magnificent laid siege to the Austrian city in an attempt to conquer the whole of Central Europe.
The Europeans were ultimately successful in repelling the Ottoman siege of 1529, having the Serbians guard the gate, but had the Serbs not engaged the Turks on the Field of Blackbirds in 1389 the Ottoman Empire would likely have arrived at the gates of Vienna long before 1529, and the outcome of the Siege of Vienna could have been far less favorable for the Europeans.
The Battle of Kosovo and the Turkish retreat that followed turned out to be an important victory for Christian Europe in the long run.
Murad's army numbered from 30,000 to 50,000 fighters.
Lazar's army numbered from 12,000 to 30,000 fighters.
The results from the battle are astounding taking into account the advanced artillery and experience at the hands of the Ottomans
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Feb 14, 2012 8:48:53 GMT -5
I did not think that that traitorous pig Trvrtko was there on the battlefield, as far as I was aware he sent a token force to Kosovo. I heard there were some problems with the account of Milos Obilic because he's only recorded to exist years after the battle of Kosovo.And where did you hear that ? not from the Albanians was it ? LOL. How is Tvrtko traitorous? A traitor to whom? Tvrtko was an independent ruler and not a vassal of any Serb ruler nor did he rule Kosovo. Tvrtko had his own problems since every other Bosnian noble ( except Hrvoje) was plotting to kill him.
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Post by ulf on Feb 14, 2012 8:56:48 GMT -5
This battle was 2nd greatest blunder in Serbian warfare
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Post by ulf on Feb 14, 2012 9:02:17 GMT -5
I did not think that that traitorous pig Trvrtko was there on the battlefield, as far as I was aware he sent a token force to Kosovo. I heard there were some problems with the account of Milos Obilic because he's only recorded to exist years after the battle of Kosovo.And where did you hear that ? not from the Albanians was it ? LOL. How is Tvrtko traitorous? A traitor to whom? Tvrtko was an independent ruler and not a vassal of any Serb ruler nor did he rule Kosovo. Tvrtko had his own problems since every other Bosnian noble ( except Hrvoje) was plotting to kill him. Exactly. Tvrtko was only self proclaimed ruler of Serbs, just like Dusan was self proclaimed ruler of Greeks. In fact he never was Serbian ruler, which testifies his title of ban, while Serbs never had ban title. It was either knez or zupan
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Post by vinjak on Feb 16, 2012 2:53:57 GMT -5
LOL. How is Tvrtko traitorous? A traitor to whom?
Nothing but A traitorous pig, sends token forces and then proclaims to all christian kings and princes that he had defended europe.
Exactly. Tvrtko was only self proclaimed ruler of Serbs, just like Dusan was self proclaimed ruler of Greeks. In fact he never was Serbian ruler, which testifies his title of ban, while Serbs never had ban title. It was either knez or zupan
Pfft... his crowning was recognized by Serbian Nobles, Lazar as well and his rule in Serbia was only a token after the battle of Kosovo, before that he was the recognized King. And the only person to call him Ban was the Hungarian king and that was out of spite.
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