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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 4, 2012 8:12:45 GMT -5
i cannot see why ppl are so obsessed with outdated stories from antique Greece Because they usually have a moral at the end. Serb tales of folklore about kings and nobles don't really have a moral and don't teach us anything, they're more about showing how great certain people were.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 4, 2012 8:51:22 GMT -5
lol !!! My daughter is studying greek mythology. I Always remind her of the better and greater Slavic Gods (Perun, Veles, Triglav, etc..) and also the much better Serbian legends, tales and tradition.
Now about morals.... Generally morals are for idiots.... Serbian stories are targeted against ppl who can actually think. But anyways, Marko Kralkevic caring more for the weak and the orphans rather than Kings, is a prime example of a great and free SLAVIC spirit of the GOOD WILL.
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Post by ulf on Jan 4, 2012 11:27:08 GMT -5
i cannot see why ppl are so obsessed with outdated stories from antique Greece Because they usually have a moral at the end. Serb tales of folklore about kings and nobles don't really have a moral and don't teach us anything, they're more about showing how great certain people were. Moe Lester, whats your favorite Serbian tale, since you're such an expert?
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Post by srbobran on Jan 4, 2012 12:22:42 GMT -5
Do you actually want morals shoved down your throat all the time? I don't. This is exactly why everything Hollywood has put out in past 5 years (with a few exceptions) and modern Western literature is complete crap. I'd rather be told a great and interesting story than learn some sort of lesson.
Don't get me wrong, I loved reading ancient Greek literature, but I loved it because the stories and the plots were epic and well put together, I could give a fuck about the morals they were or weren't trying to teach me.
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Post by ioan on Jan 4, 2012 14:46:24 GMT -5
Marko Kralevich is a Serbian, but he ruled over Bulgarians thats why western and Venetian sources called him king of Bulgaria, because in the end he was ruling over lands populated by Bulgarians. Marko is very popular forklore character in Bulgaria. He is an eclectic character: loosely based on Kralevich, most ethnologists believe that the folk hero incorporated the preslavic Thracian ideas about the Thracian hourseman: an iconic character whose images can be found throughout the whole of Bulgaria and are dated from Thracian, Roman and Bulgar times... Interesting character...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 4, 2012 18:10:10 GMT -5
Marko Kralevich is a Serbian, but he ruled over Bulgarians thats why western and Venetian sources called him king of Bulgaria, because in the end he was ruling over lands populated by Bulgarians. Show me these sources, just curious Ioan. The only Serb l could think of who was king or emperor of Bu Lgarska was Konstanin Bodin? PS I'm glad you've admitted Kraljevic is Serb and not Bulgarian, its the first step in the right direction
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 4, 2012 19:05:45 GMT -5
Moe Lester, whats your favorite Serbian tale, since you're such an expert? Don't have one. I don't find them interesting (no offense).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 0:32:32 GMT -5
^^^ So you criticize smth you don't know... typical.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 0:33:01 GMT -5
Marko Kralevich is a Serbian, but he ruled over Bulgarians thats why western and Venetian sources called him king of Bulgaria, because in the end he was ruling over lands populated by Bulgarians. Show me these sources, just curious Ioan. The only Serb l could think of who was king or emperor of Bu Lgarska was Konstanin Bodin? PS I'm glad you've admitted Kraljevic is Serb and not Bulgarian, its the first step in the right direction Brat Jovan is making progress!
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 5, 2012 2:54:55 GMT -5
^^^ So you criticize smth you don't know... typical. Read it again, maybe you'll finally get it. I said I don't have one because I don't find them interesting.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 2:58:24 GMT -5
^^^^ LOL
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 5, 2012 3:48:51 GMT -5
Another useless and immature post by Pyrros.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 4:26:40 GMT -5
Another useless and immature post by Pyrros. Alright, by this: Serb tales of folklore about kings and nobles don't really have a moral and don't teach us anything, they're more about showing how great certain people were. you implied that you have had good contact with Serbian folklore tradition, also you use plural, which means that you have read more than one Serbian folklore traditional legends/stories/tales. Then by this : Moe Lester, whats your favorite Serbian tale, since you're such an expert? Don't have one. I don't find them interesting (no offense). You go to the other extreme by implying that you have read no such story. Because people *rarely* read stuff they are not interested in!!! Are you following me? You don't say explicitly why you dislike them or which one in particular you didn't like, but that *overall* you are not interested. Also in this case, since you are not interested, you should not participate in this very thread in the 1st place!!! Do you see now your countless contradictions? So the question stands : HOW MANY FOLKLORE SERBIAN TALES HAVE YOU READ?
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 5, 2012 5:52:53 GMT -5
you implied that you have had good contact with Serbian folklore tradition, also you use plural, which means that you have read more than one Serbian folklore traditional legends/stories/tales. I've read probably five and couldn't take no more, the rest I learnt from someone else (someone who actually enjoys them). Because people *rarely* read stuff they are not interested in!!! If that's what you actually believe, then you shouldn't be arguing about this. You don't say explicitly why you dislike them. Yes I do, you just don't like to listen. Also in this case, since you are not interested, you should not participate in this very thread in the 1st place!!! Do you see now your countless contradictions? No contradictions here, only a fool who thinks he knows what he's talking about. So the question stands : HOW MANY FOLKLORE SERBIAN TALES HAVE YOU READ? Read above (and this time, actually read it, not just skim over the key points).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 6:22:39 GMT -5
probably five? Are you sure? Maybe it was less than that? Maybe zero? And if you read lets say 4 and you didn't like them, what made you go for the 5th?
Ok, now NAME ALL THE STORIES YOU HAVE READ (about 5 as you say).
apparently you try to lie here....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 6:27:23 GMT -5
BTW, your "opinion" or (lack of) taste contradicts with most major modern fairy tales writers which considered the Serbian poems/epic legends as the mother for most contemporary european epic/fair tales literature. Read on Vuk Karadzic : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Stefanovi%C4%87_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87cheers Mr "moral of the story" LOL
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 5, 2012 6:28:16 GMT -5
probably five? Are you sure? Maybe it was less than that? Maybe zero? And if you read lets say 4 and you didn't like them, what made you go for the 5th? Ok, now NAME ALL THE STORIES YOU HAVE READ (about 5 as you say). apparently you try to lie here.... I can't remember all 5, like I said, I didn't find them interesting. But I remember reading "Kosovka devojka", and "Tsar Lazar and Tsaritsa Militsa". And I'm not exactly sure, but I think it was called "Ban Starin". The others, I'm having trouble remembering there names.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 5, 2012 6:29:19 GMT -5
probably five? Are you sure? Maybe it was less than that? Maybe zero? And if you read lets say 4 and you didn't like them, what made you go for the 5th? Ok, now NAME ALL THE STORIES YOU HAVE READ (about 5 as you say). apparently you try to lie here.... I can't remember all 5, like I said, I didn't find them interesting. But I remember reading "Kosovka devojka", and "Tsar Lazar and Tsaritsa Militsa". And I'm not exactly sure, but I think it was called "Ban Starin". The others, I'm having trouble remembering there names. apparently yugoslav traditions is not in your interests... Thank God, the international cultural community (Goete, Grimm bros, etc..) thinks otherwise
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 5, 2012 6:31:04 GMT -5
So a bunch of people in the 19th century liked, and now I have to as well? Gee Pyrros, do you enjoy having slaves, sticking leeches to your skin when you're sick and reading about the "New World"?
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 5, 2012 6:32:54 GMT -5
apparently yugoslav traditions is not in your interests... If I don't find Serbian Epic Poetry interesting, I don't find it interesting. I can't make myself like it, if that were possible, you would love Albanians, but you simply don't and you can't really change that.
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