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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 1:27:07 GMT -5
^ Fine, thats your opinion, my opinion is THEY are Serbs or were Serbs. Just one example above of how they were naming their male children SRBIN, constitutes differentiation from Serbs and Bulgarians, in your opinion? Anyway, l have made my point in this thread. I based my opinion on physical appearances(they have more eastern types, Serbs have more western types) and somewhat on tradition, which is absolutely closer to eastern Slavs, where as Serbs everywhere have some hybrid mix of mostly central European with minor others(Balkan barbarians + Oriental). Also don't mix with Bulgarian culture as they butchered from every little bit part of their former Empire and made ultra-mutant culture they got today, plus communist Russia made huge impact
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 1:34:09 GMT -5
^ No, not exactly right Ulf. Could you say Nis, Vranje, Leskovac, Pirot etc...are more eastern, culture wise etc....Yes, they have a regional pontid racial type that appears there.
"Also don't mix with Bulgarian culture as they butchered from every little bit part of their former Empire and made ultra-mutant culture they got today, plus communist Russia made huge impact"
Again, not exactly right. Samuils empire ruled over the Vardarian Serbs and the Bulgars had not taken this Serbian tradition from them (Slava).
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 1:47:25 GMT -5
^ No, not exactly right Ulf. Could you say Nis, Vranje, Leskovac, Pirot etc...are more eastern, culture wise etc....Yes, they have a regional pontid racial type that appears there. "Also don't mix with Bulgarian culture as they butchered from every little bit part of their former Empire and made ultra-mutant culture they got today, plus communist Russia made huge impact" Again, not exactly right. Samuils empire ruled over the Vardarian Serbs and the Bulgars had not taken this Serbian tradition from them. I am not talking about big cities. Slavs never lived in big cities up until 1940's. At least not in these parts I am talking about. Therefore South Serbians in cities like Nis, Vranje and similar cities look more eastern European then western Macedonian citizen. However most Slavic village people in west Macedonia have strong Baltid vibe and even Nordic looking people are not odd, that's what is virtually non-present in eastern Serbians(because these people in Macedonia lived in greater isolation).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 1:54:45 GMT -5
^ Did the Bulgarian Empire of Samuil take the Slava tradition from the Vardarian Serbs?
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 1:58:09 GMT -5
^ Did the Bulgarian Empire of Samuil take the Slava tradition from the Vardarian Serbs? No idea, I don't know what went on 1000 years ago
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 2:06:10 GMT -5
But I can tell you that, for example, typical Slavic tradition of celebrating New Year called "koleda" existed in eastern districts southern of South Morava. However Serbian orthodox church banned those(as pagan) in 18th and 19th century, so even Serbs were against Serbian traditions
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 2:06:17 GMT -5
"No idea, I don't know what went on 1000 years ago" Ulf brate, l like you man, but you have strengthen my point, when l have been saying of late, that this forum is about what one FEELS and PERCEIVES to believe while FACTUAL evidence is never looked upon, but its frowned as thou its propaganda. Fact:The Serbian Slava tradition was noted by Byzantine historians to be celebrated in and around the Prespa region at 1018AD
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 2:12:32 GMT -5
Fine, but I wasn't talking about Slava
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 3:01:24 GMT -5
^ You say Ulf this:
"Also don't mix with Bulgarian culture as they butchered from every little bit part of their former Empire and made ultra-mutant culture they got today, plus communist Russia made huge impact"
But why didn't they take the Serbian Slava tradition from the Vardarian Serbs?
and now you say:
"Fine, but I wasn't talking about Slava"
So what are you talking about? The way one looks or the culture is closer to eastern slavs because Serbs are more western and have a mismash of cultures?
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2012 4:09:36 GMT -5
I m tired of reading Novis lies over and over again. Lets see what his LOGIC is: "Let me tell you, l'm getting to the point, the people from FYROM were naming THEIR MALE CHILDREN with the name SRBIN (SERBIAN), not Branislav, Branilo, Mile, Borko etc....but SRBIN and not BULGARIN.....WHY? Because they ARE SERBS BY NATIONALITY. I knew a french person years ago by the name FRANCE, do you think a Mongolian would name his son FRANCE? Get my point Moe?" The fact that a child was named SOrbin doesnt mean that the person was ethnic Serb. In Bulgaria I ve never heard anyone to be called "Bulgarian" as a personal name and I think the reason is because it was selfevident that the people were Bulgarians. However we have the male name "German" (very common in medievil times), but the people that wore it were not Germans, but Bulgarians. We also have the family name "Vlahov" and I know such a person. I ve asked him if he knows if he ever had Vlah origin and he said no and he actually have studied his family tree. So again the personal name prooves NADA about ones ethnic origin. I ve said it countless time but you seem to go on and on about it. Ulf, the slavs in Macedonia (the majority) were Bulgarians thoughout the medievil times up till 50 ties of 20th century. Its attested by all sources. A small Serbian minority on the north existed and it still exists today.
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 9, 2012 4:32:27 GMT -5
There are also people called Paris, London, Virginia, Sydney, Brooklyn, Dakota, Phoenix, Orlando, Chad and Indianna. Does this mean these people com form those places? It's just a name, surnames on the other hand could be a sign of where someone comes from. Maybe surnames like Milosevski could indicate Serbian origin in a Macedonian, but not always the case.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jan 9, 2012 7:38:22 GMT -5
They also use Bulgarian names (Dimitar, Grigorij, Evgenij, Kiril, Mihail). DIMITRIS: Contracted form of Greek Dimitrios, meaning "loves the earth" or "follower of Demeter." GREGORIOS: Greek name derived from the word gregorein, meaning "watchful; vigilant." EUGENIOS (Ευγένιος): Greek name composed of the elements eu "good" and gen "birth," hence "well born." MICHAĒL (Μιχαήλ): Greek form of Hebrew Miyka'el, meaning "who is like God?" or literally "El's likeness." In the bible, this is the prince of archangels who was closest to God and was the guardian angel of Israel. KYRILLOS (Κύριλλος): Greek name meaning "lord."
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 9, 2012 7:46:26 GMT -5
DIMITRIS: Contracted form of Greek Dimitrios, meaning "loves the earth" or "follower of Demeter." GREGORIOS: Greek name derived from the word gregorein, meaning "watchful; vigilant." EUGENIOS (Ευγένιος): Greek name composed of the elements eu "good" and gen "birth," hence "well born." MICHAĒL (Μιχαήλ): Greek form of Hebrew Miyka'el, meaning "who is like God?" or literally "El's likeness." In the bible, this is the prince of archangels who was closest to God and was the guardian angel of Israel. KYRILLOS (Κύριλλος): Greek name meaning "lord." I didn't mean of Greek origin, just names that are Bulgarian versions of the name, if they were Serbs they would use the Serbian version. ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 9, 2012 8:15:54 GMT -5
DIMITRIS: Contracted form of Greek Dimitrios, meaning "loves the earth" or "follower of Demeter." GREGORIOS: Greek name derived from the word gregorein, meaning "watchful; vigilant." EUGENIOS (Ευγένιος): Greek name composed of the elements eu "good" and gen "birth," hence "well born." MICHAĒL (Μιχαήλ): Greek form of Hebrew Miyka'el, meaning "who is like God?" or literally "El's likeness." In the bible, this is the prince of archangels who was closest to God and was the guardian angel of Israel. KYRILLOS (Κύριλλος): Greek name meaning "lord." I didn't mean of Greek origin, just names that are Bulgarian versions of the name, if they were Serbs they would use the Serbian version. ;D pls write down the serbian versions of Dimitar/Gregorije/Evgenije/Mihajlo
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2012 10:20:32 GMT -5
Bulgarian verson: Dimitar, Grigorij, Evgenij, Kiril, Mihail Serbian version: Äèìèòðè¼å, (Dimitriye), Ãðèãîðè¼å, Evgenije, Žèðèëî, Mihailo Moe was right. The Serbian version was/is/will not be popular among the Macedonian slavs, because they are not Serbs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 9, 2012 10:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2012 12:06:12 GMT -5
who is that pyrro. is he macedonian?
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Post by elemag on Jan 9, 2012 12:54:10 GMT -5
Pyrro's sources of proving past historic facts are facebook and phone books.
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 13:11:47 GMT -5
I m tired of reading Novis lies over and over again. Lets see what his LOGIC is: "Let me tell you, l'm getting to the point, the people from FYROM were naming THEIR MALE CHILDREN with the name SRBIN (SERBIAN), not Branislav, Branilo, Mile, Borko etc....but SRBIN and not BULGARIN.....WHY? Because they ARE SERBS BY NATIONALITY. I knew a french person years ago by the name FRANCE, do you think a Mongolian would name his son FRANCE? Get my point Moe?" The fact that a child was named SOrbin doesnt mean that the person was ethnic Serb. In Bulgaria I ve never heard anyone to be called "Bulgarian" as a personal name and I think the reason is because it was selfevident that the people were Bulgarians. However we have the male name "German" (very common in medievil times), but the people that wore it were not Germans, but Bulgarians. We also have the family name "Vlahov" and I know such a person. I ve asked him if he knows if he ever had Vlah origin and he said no and he actually have studied his family tree. So again the personal name prooves NADA about ones ethnic origin. I ve said it countless time but you seem to go on and on about it. Ulf, the slavs in Macedonia (the majority) were Bulgarians thoughout the medievil times up till 50 ties of 20th century. Its attested by all sources. A small Serbian minority on the north existed and it still exists today. Serbs were numerous not only in north-west but also south-western parts of Macedonia, but other Slavs in region weren't Bulgarians. Those Slavs were attached this Bulgarian name, but I personally know many of them called even back then(late 19th and early 20th century) by name Macedonian Slavs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 9, 2012 14:15:28 GMT -5
^^^ make that to southern greece bro.
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