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Post by falansteru on Feb 21, 2012 3:19:09 GMT -5
Saint Dimitrie the New (Basarabov) is recognized as the patron saint of Bucharest, Romania ; bulgarian? vlach/wallachian/roumanian? simple coincidence with the dinasty Basarab of Wallachia voivods?
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Post by falansteru on Feb 21, 2012 3:21:52 GMT -5
Saint Dimitrie Basarabov lived in the 13th century, during the Romanian-Bulgarian Empire led by brothers Petru and Asan. He was born in the village of Basarabov, located on the banks of the River Lom, a Danube tributary, near the town of Russe. Originally a shepherd, he became a monk, living in a cave near that village and dedicating himself to fasting, prayers and vigils. www.sfdimitrie.org/our_church/saint_dimitrie_the_new.html
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Post by elemag on Feb 21, 2012 8:18:45 GMT -5
The name of the village is Basarbovo. So you should call him with his real name, Dimitar Basarbovski, as it is in Bulgarian. Basarabov or Basarabski leads to wrong assumptions.
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Post by ioan on Feb 21, 2012 8:29:31 GMT -5
I read his story. I dont see how he is in any way related to the Romanians apart from being given to them for their participance in a russo-turkish war. Obviously he was Bulgarian. In the text of the link it is said that "a rich merchant of Macedonian-Romanian origin, called Hagi Dimitrie". So my question is: what is "Macedonian" meaning in this wording? Was he Bulgarian? ?? Or was he a Vlach from Macedonia, but then he wouldnt be Romanian? ??
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Post by elemag on Feb 21, 2012 8:47:37 GMT -5
What? The estimayted year of his death, according to Paisiy Hilendarski is 1685. That is 4 centuries later, mate.
As for how his relics remained in Bucharest - this is the story:
In 1774, during the Russo-Turkish war, Russian general Petar Saltikov ordered that the relics of St Dimitar should be taken to Russia. It was the request of the Bulgarian Dimitar Poklonnik who lived in Bucharest and served as an interpreter to the general that the relics should be left in Bucharest as a compensation for the losses of the people in the war.
Looks like even your church is trying everything it can to hide simple truths. How pathetic, don't you think?
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 21, 2012 9:14:44 GMT -5
99% of the Romanians if asked of Dimitrie Basarabov will reply: Basara... who? I don't think any sane person will worship bones or mummies especially of a nobody. It's a barbaric pagan superstition. And what did that guy did to make him a saint?
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Post by ioan on Feb 21, 2012 9:47:14 GMT -5
yes we understand, you only worship Jupiter, Mars, Minerva, Venus, Neptune etc... Its much more sophisticated... Lets not forget: its much more typical for the Romanians. Basically you cant escape their relics or temples in Romania...
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 21, 2012 10:21:08 GMT -5
You're free to worship the carcass of any fakir you like.
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Post by Anittas on Feb 21, 2012 14:04:01 GMT -5
I only learned of this guy on this godforsaken forum.
So let me see if I get this right: we sacrifice our men because the Bulgarian is a coward and won't risk his life, and you compensate our blood sacrifice by giving us a dead Bulgarian dude?
Well, how very kind of you! Thank you!
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Post by ivo on Feb 21, 2012 14:05:28 GMT -5
Relax old timer, you're talking smack.. AND you know that.
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Post by falansteru on Feb 21, 2012 15:14:11 GMT -5
I read his story. I dont see how he is in any way related to the Romanians apart from being given to them for their participance in a russo-turkish war. Obviously he was Bulgarian. In the text of the link it is said that "a rich merchant of Macedonian-Romanian origin, called Hagi Dimitrie". So my question is: what is "Macedonian" meaning in this wording? Was he Bulgarian? ?? Or was he a Vlach from Macedonia, but then he wouldnt be Romanian? ?? vlah=valah=blac=olah=wallachian=roumanian; distinguished according to spoken dialect: daco-roumanian; macedo-roumanian, istro-roumanian, megleno-roumanian and dalmatian, today extinguished; in today Macedonia exist speaker of slavic-macedonian=dialect of bulgarian=bulgarian(majority), speaker of macedo-roumanian=aroumanian=dialect of roumanian=roumanian(minority), albanians, other. as a consequence of the Treaty of Craiova and population exchanges that followed, today there is a large community of Macedo-roumanian in Dobrogea, migrated from south Dobrudja
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Post by falansteru on Feb 21, 2012 15:26:21 GMT -5
Monastery of Saint Demetrius Basarabov — Brief History Basarabov Monastery was founded by the family of Basarabs even before the foundation of the Romanian Country. The monastery was the property of John Basarab, the first ruler of Romanian Country. The present church of St. Demetrius cave was built in 1865, with aids received from Romania. It currently consists of a monastery church, built in Holy Cave of Pious Demetrius, and some cells carved in the rock nearby. orthodoxword.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/the-monastery-of-saint-demetrius-basarabov/
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Post by ioan on Feb 21, 2012 15:42:00 GMT -5
So let me see if I get this right: we sacrifice our men because the Bulgarian is a coward and won't risk his life, and you compensate our blood sacrifice by giving us a dead Bulgarian dude? no you sacrifice roma men, because you want dobrudja and you are compensated with its northern part. you have alot to thank us. dobrudga wasnt roma at the time.
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Post by Anittas on Feb 21, 2012 15:44:13 GMT -5
Well, there you go. This is what our people died for.
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Post by ioan on Feb 21, 2012 15:47:09 GMT -5
falan, i know about the aromanians, but i ve never read that aromanian is a romanian dialect, its different eastern romance language, the same can be said about istroroman and meglenoroman - both are not romanian dialects, but different romance languages. the only romanian dialect outside of romania is moldovian.
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Post by ioan on Feb 21, 2012 15:50:04 GMT -5
Well, there you go. This is what our people died for. yes, at least now you have overcrowded seaside. mamaia? its very near the old bulgarian town of kustendga, now debulgarized.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 21, 2012 16:03:55 GMT -5
no you sacrifice roma men, because you want dobrudja and you are compensated with its northern part. It's about another war, moron. The Russians carried that war with Romanian money and with Romanian troops but unfortunately under a foreign flag. Our reward was annexation of NW Moldavia by the Austrians, ruin and bankruptcy, not counting the dead. And a mummy. Constanţa was never a Bulgarian city. I think we already had this discussion. In 1853, first recorded census, Bulgarians were 6,5%, while Romanians were 5,4%. In all 342 Bulgarians lived at that time in Constanţa. No need for a deratization. Bulgarians were rara avis in Cadrilater (Southern Dobrogea) too, when that land was annexed by Romania in 1913, the were no Bulgarian cemeteries older that 1878 so all the Bulgarians there were settled after 1878.
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Post by ivo on Feb 21, 2012 16:13:08 GMT -5
Your whole country was Bulgarian for centuries, don't forget that.
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Post by elemag on Feb 21, 2012 16:56:49 GMT -5
Let us see what wiki says on this:
"After successively becoming part of the Bulgarian Empire for over 500 years, and later of the independent principality of Dobrotitsa/Dobrotici and of Wallachia under Mircea I of Wallachia, Constanța fell under the Ottoman rule around 1419."
Tell me, AofG, aren't you dumb to the bottom of your gypsy arse?
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Post by Anittas on Feb 21, 2012 20:29:34 GMT -5
He means that Constanta didn't have a Bulgarian presence and the consensus shows that clearly.
Ioan, some linguists claim Aromanian and Istro-Romanian as dialects of Romanian; the rest just say that they belong to the same Eastern Romance group. Whichever the case, the languages are very close. There is no predefined definition for what constitutes a dialect and what constitutes a language of its own.
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