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Post by Peregrinus on Feb 21, 2012 18:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by uz on Feb 21, 2012 18:51:34 GMT -5
Are you asking for the origin of Kocovic? Cause its' Serbian.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 21, 2012 18:55:36 GMT -5
ethnically serbian surname
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Post by ulf on Feb 21, 2012 19:14:15 GMT -5
no doubt its Serbian ;D
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Post by Peregrinus on Feb 21, 2012 19:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Feb 22, 2012 0:36:03 GMT -5
so you're half serbian half albanian?
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Post by donnie on Feb 22, 2012 4:23:23 GMT -5
Hello friends, Does anyone have any information about the Kocaj (Kocovic) family of Klezna Ulqin? My grandfather told me that his ancestors migrated to Klezna Ulqin hundreds of years ago from a place with the name of Kocaj. There are only 2 that I have found; (1) From Bulqizë Koçaj, Dibër District. (2) From Koçaj (Baldushk), Tiranë District Thank you! How do you pronounce your surname, do you say Koçaj or Kocaj? The former is I believe a diminutive of Konstandin, and is mostly prevalent in Southern Albania, but apparently it also exists in the north, like the examples given by yourself above from Dibër and Tirana. If it is pronounced Kocaj, then there is also a surname Koci or Koca in Kosova, in the village of Polac not far away from my own homevillage. I always wondered about its origins, maybe there is a connection? As for the added -vic suffix, it was common policy back in Yugoslavia to alter Albanian names either completely, such as Kryeziu becoming Crnoglavic, or partially by adding suffixes, like your example from Kocaj to Kocovic. It was more commonplace or more lingering in Malësia and Ulqin. One guy I knew had the surname Gjonbalaj, he is from the village of Vuthaj near Gucia. Well half his family had the surname Djonbaljic, because the authorities had changed it. Some of his family, including himself, changed it back once they left Montenegro and moved to the West.
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Post by Peregrinus on Feb 23, 2012 2:15:26 GMT -5
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Post by Peregrinus on Feb 23, 2012 2:21:48 GMT -5
I'm so determined to get to the bottom of this, because like you've said, I plan to change my surname back to what it was.
I think my great grandfather would have wanted that.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 23, 2012 2:26:19 GMT -5
I know that "koci" (not koçi !!) means "bone" in Albanian. As for "koçi", it means "chariot". Albanians use a slavic word for 'bone', interesting. ;D
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Post by donnie on Feb 23, 2012 8:21:16 GMT -5
I went and met with my grandfather again to clarify; My great grandfather's name was Prec Koleci (son of Kol Koleci), and he came from Albania. Most Albanians in Klezna are apparently all originally from Mirdita because they're all related. So; KOLECI was changed to KOLEVIC. (sorry for the confusion, my grandfather doesn't speak English very well lol) I really appreciate all of your help! Thank you! Daniel Jon p.s. Just a small question. In Albania, if people from nearby villages have the same surname (i.e. in Mirdita & also Hoti) are they related, or share a common ancestor, or is it just coincidence? The name Kolec is a variant of Kole, which is the Albanian diminutive of Nikolla or Nicholas. It is probably not uncommon in Malësia (where Hoti is included) and Mirdita. Whether the same surname signifies shared ancestry I am not certain, because as a patronym, the name Koleci I suspect is rather widespread, much like Johnson in the Anglosaxon world. But it could mean shared ancestry, someone from Hoti and Mirdita should answer that. You could ask MurlaniHotit, he is a member of these forums and from Hoti with extensive knowledge on the genealogy of Hoti. Perhaps some Hotjan named Koleci moved to Mirdita and from there to Klezna or the other way around, people did move back then just as today. In Kosova for example a lot of people trace their origins to Mirdita, they're commonly called "Fandë" and have typical Mirditor surnames like Spaçi, Kaçinari, Mirdita, Kushneni, Kçira etc.
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Post by atdhetar on Mar 1, 2012 4:40:39 GMT -5
bone - kocke or eshtra
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