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Post by diurpaneus on Mar 2, 2012 2:05:24 GMT -5
Northwestern Transylvania is best Transylvania!
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Post by kun on Mar 9, 2012 16:08:57 GMT -5
Just happened by, and what do I see, St Michaels Hungarian church in the middle of Kolozsvar and the beautiful historic city center. Romanians just love living off Hungarian accomplishments, you people really have no shame.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Mar 10, 2012 7:39:02 GMT -5
That church was built by the Saxons who were then the inhabitants of Cluj-Napoca.
IMO, it's a shame is to take over other people's churches and claim them as your own. Like you do with that Saxon Church. Even thinking of Huns building Gothic churches makes me laugh. If Huns wold have built a church it should have looked like an yurt and smelled like dung.
BTW untill 1848 the Hungarians were a small minoruty even in Buda and Pest, about 10%, on the third spot behind the Germans and Slovaks. I mentioned this to remember the fact that you are a fabricated people taht occupy foreign lands.
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Post by kun on Mar 10, 2012 8:37:27 GMT -5
By your vulgar reply you're only demonstrating what a crude and unsophisticated person you are, but thats OK I've known many Romanians over the yrs. and you're nothing more than your typical run of the mill nationalist. But it's always quite amusing how agitated some Romanians get when anyone mentions anything about Hungarian culture in Transylvania. Relax poor boy, no ones going to steal your precious "ardeal" out from under you as you did from Hungary in 1918. We're all in the EU now and eventually you'll be in Schengen also. In borderless democratic countries there won't be any need to spout your nationalistic dogma or any place for chauvanistic malcontents such you, you'll either have to adjust and accept realty or disappear, I'm thinking it'll be the latter...cheers.
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Post by kun on Mar 10, 2012 10:06:49 GMT -5
As far as St. Michaels' church is concerned the records of its construction are limited. But whether it was built by Saxons or Hungarians is beyond the point, Saxons were invited by the Hungarian king into HUngary, it was built by the order of the King of Hungary, in the Kingdom of Hungary and by the 1400s Hungarians were the majority and all throughout the rest of recorded history. This beautiful church has nothing to do with Romania or Romanians, so its quite interesting that a video about Kolozsvar (Cluj) opens with an aerial view of the church and surroundings, the Matthias statue etc. but no mention of Hungarians or our culture, or that Matthias Hunyadi the finest Hungarian king brought in Hungary the renaissance culture from Italy, just that its the most westernized city in Romania. I wonder why? The sooner you and some people in your country accept thjese historic facts the sooner you'll be accepted into the European community and not be viewed as the backward, crippled step child of the EU.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Mar 10, 2012 10:25:59 GMT -5
You came here calling Romanians shameless... I have enough experience talking to your kind to know what you're made of. On what grounds do you make accusations on Romanians, you Mongol? That church is in the middle of Cluj-Napoca so it's normal to be seen in an aerial view of the city. It wasn't build by your pathetic race, show me another church in Transilvania similar to this built by Hungarians. There are indeed other churches like that in Transylvania and all of them built by Germans. You should be thankful that it is now in Hungarian hands.
As for King Mathias, he's now the finest Hungarian king isn't he? Yet during his ascension to the throne it didn't seemed to be the case, he was then just a "stinky Romanian who was not to be tolerated".
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Post by kun on Mar 10, 2012 10:48:54 GMT -5
You've gotta love it, "mongol", "pathetic race", in this day and age? I'm wondering how you exist and survive. You've got some serious issues dude and you are shameless, if all Romanians act like you you'll never be considered European, you're a disgrace. The only "stinky Romanian " around here is you.
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Post by diurpaneus on Mar 11, 2012 3:45:23 GMT -5
Kun I won't even bother. I`m fed up of arguing with nazi retards over the internet.. I`m from Transylvania, and live in Cluj. My whole family is from this region and always has been. Romanians and Hungarians always got along well in all rural areas, even in some urban areas. It was always the hungarian and romanian aristocracy, then, and hun/romanian politicians now that tried to stir shit up. Keep us fighting each other so that they can continue their shady businesses. But that has changed now. Cluj in a model of inter ethnic peace. And nothing will change that. Especially an internet superhero like yourself. And you, sir, are a remnant of a generation that you didn't even belong to... the 1930-1940's generation. Ferenc Szalasi would have been proud of you, boy.
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Post by kun on Mar 11, 2012 8:16:16 GMT -5
Congratulations, by calling me a nazi you've just proven Romanians still have a very long way to go. Until you can handle opposing views and opinions you'll always be second rate. What you call "inter ethnic peace" is nothing more than Romanian domination or in other words take over of the city. What are Hungarians now 16%? everyone knows how this occurred, by giving them some of their property back and restoring a statue makes it a model of multi-cultruralism? Yet important things such as restoring the Hungarian university, making Hungarian an official language or granting autonomy hasn't happened, I wonder why? You can talk the big talk "boy", but nothing to show. You've gotten into the EU and probably Schengen soon, but what has Romania given its largest minority in return? Catalonia, Sudtirol do you know of these places? I'm originally from this region just as you claim you are, and your rhetoric about what a great inter-ethnic heaven it is isn't fooling anyone.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Mar 11, 2012 8:40:19 GMT -5
You are an extremist and the worst kind of it, a Hungarian extremist who manifest itself by hanging life size dolls and after that calling himself a victim. You did the same thing here, you defiled the place by insulting Romanians and then pretending shocked that I called you a Mongol.
There is no dialog with nazis like you. I now you animals quite well, in the past I wasted some precious time trying to reason with your kind until I understood that the only thing animals recognize is the whip.
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Post by kun on Mar 11, 2012 9:14:40 GMT -5
If you're speaking of Csibi Barna aha, I'll admit he's taking things a little to far. He's merely demonstrating what should have been done to Iancu and the others 160 yrs. ago. I mean murderers and terrorists should've been hung not worshipped as heros and then making the Hungarian community study about them as such. The only nazi and animal around here is you, imposing your will and beliefs on people that don't want anything to do with you.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Mar 12, 2012 5:41:44 GMT -5
If you're speaking of Csibi Barna aha, I'll admit he's taking things a little to far. He's merely demonstrating what should have been done to Iancu and the others 160 yrs. ago. I mean murderers and terrorists should've been hung not worshipped as heros and then making the Hungarian community study about them as such. The only nazi and animal around here is you, imposing your will and beliefs on people that don't want anything to do with you. Kun I understand some of your frustrations considering the extreme results of Trianon and also considering for many years the way Romanian governments regarded and treated Hungarians in Romania. But also man I think Diurp has a point that Romanians and Huns as people have generally gotten along, and as he said the aristocracy on both sides were giving the working class people a hard time, that is true. The Kingdom of Hungary was a very class based society and you have probably heard about the Gyorgy Dosza peasant revolt which was combination of Hungarian Szekely and Romanians vs the aristocracy. There is much evidence of both peoples getting along , there has been many intermarriages. I am of Hungarian background with paternal side of my family having roots in Erdely and even I have heard about an intermarriage with a Romanian in our family way back.
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Post by diurpaneus on Mar 12, 2012 10:13:06 GMT -5
The Kingdom of Hungary was a very class based society and you have probably heard about the Gyorgy Dosza peasant revolt which was combination of Hungarian Szekely and Romanians vs the aristocracy. And let's not forget about the most important revolt in the Cluj/Kolozs district from the middle ages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob%C3%A2lna_revolt" The rebellion broke out in northern Transylvania, but soon spread to the counties of Szatmár (Satu Mare) and Szabolcs. In June an army of Hungarian and Vlach (Romanian) peasants built a camp on a hill at Bábolna (Romanian: Bobâlna). They were joined by petty noblemen and priests. They proclaimed and demanded the recognition of an Estate of their own, called universitas Hungarorum et Valachorum - Estate of Hungarians and Romanians and were led by a poor nobleman called Antal Nagy de Buda and five other captains (three Hungarian peasants, a Romanian peasant, and a burgher from Kolozsvár (Cluj-Napoca))." Hungarian nationalists tend to ignore the fact that the feudal system of Hungary and later the Austro-Hungarian Empire exploited hungarian peasants in the same manner they did with other nations. It was never a question of nationality until the 19th century, but of social status. That's why we can see so many alliances between romanians and hungarians in revolts/revolutions. Even today the same thing happens... look at the Hadareni (Aranyoshadrev) incident from 1993 when a romanian-hungarian mob chased all the gypsies out of the village after a romanian was killed by one of the gypsies. The same thing happened in a village in Brasov a few years back. That time the gypsies raped a hungarian girl. The point it, if the EU survives for 50 more years, there will not be any nation-states anymore. If we like it or not. So we must work together to make this Transylvania that we live in flourish. And people who still live in the times of the arrow-cross movement or the antonescu regime are not helping.
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Post by kun on Mar 12, 2012 14:46:00 GMT -5
oszkarthehun, I'm no nationalist, in fact I'm far from it. Looking back at history is fine but I'm more concerned and interested with the present. The way things look today, countries like Romania and Slovakia still have a very long way to go concerning minority rights. The reason hundreds of thousands Hungarians no longer call Transylvania home is because of these people (Romanians). They can proclaim all they want about their multi-cultural heaven and inter-ethnic peace, but until there's substantiative results in the areas of autonomy, official language status and publicly funded universities its all just dust in the wind.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Mar 20, 2012 11:40:54 GMT -5
Diur, Iaşi is coming fast from from behind and it does have a huge advantage: the people of Iaşi are by far the brightest in Romania. They also can be the worse, they like the extremes.
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Post by kun on Apr 11, 2012 8:17:06 GMT -5
Cluj is a model of inter ethnic peace...
"Hungarian ambassador Oszkár Füzes was stopped by police from placing flowers on a controversial plaque put in front of a statue of medieval Hungarian King Mátyás (Matthias) in the ethnic Hungarian town of Kolozsvar (Cluj). The plaque, noting a rare battlefield loss by Mátyás to Moldavian forces in 1467, read “he suffered defeat at the hands of his own nation.”
only in your own chauvanistic minds
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Post by mihaitzateo on Apr 20, 2012 20:28:53 GMT -5
I am half from Cluj county,since my mother is from Dej (her father from between Dej and Cluj and her mother from near Cluj;sure they were peasants). No ideea from where these people came with this ideea that Cluj Napoca is "western european". Cluj Napoca people way of beeing their tolerance and so on rather reminds of nordic or baltic countries. In Cluj county are sites linked to gepids,which are a germanic tribe and Germany is rather northern European,than west european,but is also possibile that gepids came from near Baltic sea or from Scandinavia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepids#Archeological_sites
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