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Post by Emperor AAdmin on May 25, 2012 15:17:21 GMT -5
Please refrain from saying such remarks since I do not have full autonomy on these forums but have to follow pro-board rules.
I hope that is clear.
In other words use more refined and diplomatic language versus emotionally charged one. Thank you.
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Post by uz on May 25, 2012 15:31:26 GMT -5
Emotional responses online is what it is; emotional, childish, immature, counter-productive, waste of time/space/bandwith... etc.
However, Living is based on the individuals' emotion, whether it be thoughts and/or spontaneous activity. Not logic and reason. Logic and reason is following a code that is not inate in our individual selves.
You two go back and forth on this, but you two are really talking about two different things. What hellenas is saying about the Spartans is much different than what you're saying in regards to conduct on the forums/online.
I agree with Hellenas' examples regarding defying the odds and challenging the unchallegeable. This is living mate. Following the code of reason and logic is only keeping the real-man shakled to himself. Of course we should always think things through but most of the time doing is much more effective in the long run, rather than analysing and theorizing -- in short rationalizing goes against the act of living.
Where would we be today if Tesla followed logic and reason that was instilled in him from a young age/birth? Where would we be if he didn't challenge the unchallegeable?
Where would we be without all the heroes we all know about (heroes we "look-up-upon" out of envy), true heroes, men who went against the grain (logic-reason) simply to fullfill their inner desire for compassion.
Prometheus is the type of hero I am referring too. Defying both logic and psychology (of the time). Prometheus never submitted to Zeus nor did he feel guilty for being dis-obedient. He stole Zeus' torch to give to man, so that man would never be dependant on the Gods ever again. Zeus inflicted the most cruel punishement known to man on Prometheus, to have him submit and to bare guilt - to admit to have sinned. Promethues, being our hero never gave in, having full awareness that his deed was out of love, not logic-reason or obedience. A true martyr for man.
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Post by uz on May 25, 2012 15:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by bowandarrow on May 25, 2012 16:22:33 GMT -5
Please refrain from saying such remarks since I do not have full autonomy on these forums but have to follow pro-board rules. I hope that is clear. In other words use more refined and diplomatic language versus emotionally charged one. Thank you. I don't know if that's for me it probably is as usual but Pan was a God in Greek mythology well he was a Pagan God too and was well known for being a 'sexual deviant' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_%28god%29If you want me to lie and say he was like ''Father Christmas'' for the children here I can do. |
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Post by uz on May 25, 2012 16:34:03 GMT -5
Picasso, Salvador Dahli, Hemmingway; men who were free in every sense of the word, expressing their inner-selves (emotion) on canvas, paper, walls, making their feelings and emotional thoughts real, they were creators. These were men who only listened to their inner-selves never regarding the outer-forces as relevent. Logic and reason did not exist for men like these, logic and reason was a trap in their eyes to keep them along with others of the time "in line" with collective-thinking.
Anyone can judge these individuals however they like, but the bold truth is; They were free.
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Post by uz on May 25, 2012 16:41:28 GMT -5
From a logical point-of-view, this woman would be seen as hideous, un-real, abstract. From an emotional point-of-view, this women represents beauty and freedom. Picasso thought this was an image of the most beautiful woman in the world. Not for the logic of perfection but for the illogical representation which in effect represents --freedom. |
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Post by bowandarrow on May 25, 2012 16:53:20 GMT -5
Picasso, Salvador Dahli, Hemmingway; men who were free in every sense of the word, expressing their inner-selves (emotion) on canvas, paper, walls, making their feelings and emotional thoughts real, they were creators. These were men who only listened to their inner-selves never regarding the outer-forces as relevent. Logic and reason did not exist for men like these, logic and reason was a trap in their eyes to keep them along with others of the time "in line" with collective-thinking. Anyone can judge these individuals however they like, but the bold truth is; They were free. Exactly. I love guys like that it's very attractive. |
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Post by Hellenas on May 25, 2012 22:05:22 GMT -5
In a meanwhile feel free to post pictures from 300 and about greatness of Hellenes.  If you exclude the effects, this movie is not too far from reality. |
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on May 26, 2012 10:07:01 GMT -5
Art to me is perfection, it is when a dead object is brought to life as least experienced by one of our senses (primarily visual). What was produced by ancient Hellenes, Romans or also by Italians and Belgians during renaissance is art. In these works one can see if artists meant to do what was created or was it a mistake. It can be measured using logic and harmony. What ancient Celts or even worse ancient Scandinavians produced on the other hand looks very unrealistic and I would consider it visual pollution and not art. Simply put from Greco-roman viewpoint that can not be art. To me stuff like what Picasso produced is visual pollution (looks like it was made by a crazy person out of touch with reality which might be perceived perhaps free ...free from logic) and can not be considered art. It is visual pollution. Most beautiful is woman that one whose features are symmetrical (thus perfect from natures point of view), not exaggerated. The woman on the picture has nothing symmetrical and I fail to see how it can be perceived as beautiful unless insane person is perhaps seeing at at one particular point that way. Now lets assume insane person sees Picasso's picture as beautiful, can this be perceived as beauty? I say no. Why? Because insane person is constantly experiencing emotional flux and can not concrete viewpoint but one that changes all the time. Thus something characterized by chaos and instability can be used a measure of anything really. Many songs in so called heavy metal music are to me also nothing more but acoustic pollution (interesting to note that many what appears to be celts really enjoy such music). Music has to also be measured by harmony and logic. Again, any artistic product that cannot be evaluated using logic and harmony is not art to me.  Visual pollution  Art PS: I do not care what propaganda today calls art. I can think on my own. |
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Post by uz on May 26, 2012 16:58:32 GMT -5
art/ärt/Noun: 1.The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture. I like the part in bold, however the proceeding is a very boxed-in opinion. I am going to assume this is your individual opinion, and the individual opinion is what really counts, which is what makes art so wonderful. As much as I have an appreciation for Renaissance art such as the works of; Donatello, sculptured works by Benvenuto Cellini, Caravaggio, Jan van Eyck - one thing these artists all have in common is taking something real/tangeable and re-creating it on cavas or from stone. The act in this performance alone is art. Taking something from the senses (visual) and re-creating in any form given using hands/fingers of man. Abstact art, or what you call "visual-pollution" is a different level of art, something that indeed goes beyond the senses of what we normally perceive as real (simply b/c most consider it illogical). Works that can only come from the imagination, through experimentation, patience and above all; confidence. Imagine having a blank cavas in front of you and really setting yourself free, pushing the boundaries of what society is visually used to, or better-yet, expects from you. Showing that the impossibilities are indeed possible. Something that the logical mind perceieves as ugly, others' may fall in love with it's impossibilities.  les demoiselles d'avignon picassoWhen I look at a painting like this I see harmony, sexuality, freedom, one-ness, above everything I see beauty. It couldn't be more perfect. The fact that it cannot be measured by logic is what made it worth it for the artist and for those who can equally appreciate it. He took something he lived and loved for; women, and wanted to share what he percieved, to the world, through his own understanding and only his. ::::::: Are you seriously implying that only an insane person can find an appreciation for abstact? Someone afraid of the unknown will always rely on calculative methods, for security. Do you call this living?  Martha and Mary, Caravaggio.A beautiful painting, displaying the obvious. My appreciation for works such as these revolves around the technique and specific talent that it took to make it happen. To create such art, one must box himself in, always being aware of the boundaries that "one should not cross". The talent and beauty is obvious, the philosophy behind it is not my taste in particular. In short, this painting was already labelled prior to its' birth. As opose to abstract, no label or identity is given to it, till its born (complete). There is no propaganda, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is lying to you. Art is meant for the individual. Do you buy a peice for others' to love, or for yourself love? Do you paint for others' to love or for your self to love and enjoy while creating it? This is the difference. Many Renaissance artists were apealing to a market, on what the collective percieved as beauty, talent. They couldn't go wrong as long as it was good, by looking real and meassured by logic.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 26, 2012 17:25:04 GMT -5
Banksy will lead the way babe.
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Post by uz on May 26, 2012 17:42:12 GMT -5
Banksy will lead the way babe. Banksy is a different category, he's still boxed in, in his own way. His art revolves around an ideology, so he's not totally free either. He sees himself as a common slave, and broadcasts his point-of-view to the public implying they're in the same position as he. His purpose is more of an outer-purpose rather than his own inner-purpose. |
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Post by bowandarrow on May 26, 2012 17:54:21 GMT -5
Yeah I know he is and his statements are mostly political but still he's in touch with his emotional side almost as much as these Italian and Greek artists.
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Post by uz on May 26, 2012 18:03:22 GMT -5
Yeah I know he is and his statements are mostly political but still he's in touch with his emotional side almost as much as these Italian and Greek artists. His emotional side is very superficial tho, I like his works mainly for its' shock-value, and the method/planning it takes to actually create it (graffiti is public open spaces - and not getting caught). Other than that, his work is simple, the majority of his work is done by stencils, hence why he finishes up quickly. I consider his work more-like "billboard-art". I would rather see his work on giant billboards in big open spaces as opose to having it hang on a wall indoors somewhere. |
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Post by bowandarrow on May 27, 2012 5:29:35 GMT -5
That ''rat race'' pic was my fave by him.
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Post by uz on May 27, 2012 12:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jun 5, 2012 22:04:15 GMT -5
Reading various threads, I am still noticing that some of you are not writing in a civilized manner (or what I call "writing like a Hellene").
I am very busy and don't have time for daily babysitting.
I doubt anyone here is mentally deficient so please people make an attempt so we can make the experience here on the forums more enjoyable here for everyone.
Thanks.
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Post by uz on Jun 8, 2012 15:27:01 GMT -5
ADT and Hellenas both need to tone down their attitude.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jun 8, 2012 15:31:11 GMT -5
Just transferred some postings (many really verbal garbage, feel like a garbage man here) to Balkanoid Circus. I really find it hard to believe that people are so mentally depleted and fail to understand the message here. I am not running a mental institution here nor do I provide therapy.
PS: I noticed someone posted pornographic picture. I overlooked it this time but I will be banning people for such pictures from now on. Proboards does not allow them and I do not allow them.
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Post by uz on Jun 8, 2012 15:41:47 GMT -5
Just ban Adt and you'll see that the vulgarity in this place will drop down.
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