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Post by Hellenas on Jun 3, 2012 15:55:08 GMT -5
Karamanlides The Karamanlides (Greek: ÊáñáìáíëÞäåò; Turkish: Karamanlılar), or simply Karamanlis (Also referred to as Cappadocian Greeks or Greeks of Cappadocia), are a Greek Orthodox, Turkish-speaking people native to the Karaman and Cappadocia regions of Anatolia. Today, a majority of the population live within Greece, though there is a notable diaspora in Western Europe and North America. Karamanlides is an umbrella term used to describe all Greek Orthodox Christians in Central Anatolia who had adopted Turkish as their primary language. It is derived from the 13th century Beylik of Karaman. They were the first Turkish kingdom to adopt Turkish as its official language and originally the term would only describe the inhabitants of the town of Karaman or from the region of Karaman. Since there is no significant presence of established Christians in the area, the title is now most often used as a label for the local Muslim inhabitants. LanguageHistorically, the Karamanlides adopted and spoke a dialect of the Turkish language. Its vocabulary drew overwhelmingly from Turkic words with only minimal Greek loan words. The language should not be confused with Cappadocian Greek, which was spoken in the same region during the same timeframe, but is derived from the Greek language. It should be noted while their spoken language was Turkish, they employed the Greek alphabet to write it.OriginsThe second theory states that Karamanlides are the direct descendants of Greek-speaking Byzantines. Despite their linguistic Turkification, they maintained their Greek Orthodox faith. This theory is also likely as 19th century linguists were able to travel through Karamanli-speaking regions of Cappadocia and document the few remaining Greek words that mostly elderly residents could remember. Hence the process of Turkification was documented. Nonetheless, in the age of nationalism in the 19th century, most Karamanlides identified with a sense of Greekness as distinct from their fellow Turco-phone neighbours; largely resulting from their adherence to the Greek Orthodox Church.Many Karamanlides were forced to leave their homes during the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey. Early estimates placed the number of Orthodox Christians expelled from central and southern Anatolia at around 100,000.[2] However, the Karamanlides were numbered at around 400,000 at the time of the exchange.[3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaramanlidesGreek refugees from Asia Minor always were referred by official sources as Greeks(colonizers from mainland Greece), never as "Turks". "Greek refugees is a collective term used to refer to the Greeks from Asia Minor who were evacuated or relocated in Greece following the Treaty of Lausanne and the Population exchange between Greece and Turkey."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_refugees"The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey (Greek: Ç ÁíôáëëáãÞ, Turkish: Mübadele) was based upon religious identity, and involved the Greek Orthodox citizens of Turkey and the Muslim citizens of Greece. It was a major compulsory population exchange, or agreed mutual expulsion."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_TurkeyTHE GENETIC COMPOSITION OF GREECE.E. The genetic composition of Greek refugees from Asia Minor."At the beginning of the twentieth century, some 2.000.000 Greeks were living outside Greece in Asia Minor. The presence of this large Greek population had been established on the West coasts of Asia Minor by 800 BC and spread gradually northward along the Blac Sea coast. These Greek populations maintained their Greek identity throughout the centuries, even under the Otoman rule. They remained separated from the neighbouring populations by religious and language boundaries. The areas of Pontus and Cappadochia especially were centers of Greek culture. The first world war was followed by the Greek - Turkish war. In 1923 a treaty (Treaty of Lausanne) was signed between Greece and Turkey for the exchange of minorities. Before and after that Treaty a considerable number of Greek Christian refugees from Asia Minor, Pontus, Constantinople and other areas emigrated to Greece. Of these, 700.000 settled in Macedonia and West Thrace. About 25% of the population of Macedonia were, in 1928, of immigrant origin. It is difficult now, more than two generations later, to distinguish the autochthonous and immigrant populations. One of the 1047 communities where refugees were settled was Platy. The village of Platy is situated in the middle of Greek Macedonia in the province of Hemathia. The genetic composition of this population was studied by Tills et al (6). Of the 1558 inhabitants in 1973, 1038 donated blood for genetic tests. Blood grouping tests and electrophoretic analysis were performed at the laboratory of Biological Anthropology of the British Museum of Natural History at London in collaboration with the Greek Red Cross. Tests were carried out for ten blood group systems (ABO, MNSs, Rhesus, Pj, Lutheran, Kell, Duffy, Kidd, Wright and Redin), three plasma proteins (Haptoglobin, Transferin and Haemoglobin), and 8 red cell enzymes (ACPH, AK, ADA, EsD, G6PD, PGM, 6-PGD and PHI). The findings from the Platy sample have been compared to those of Greek mainland, Turkey and Bulgaria. When examining a population, such as the Platy population, system by system it is difficult to conclude whether the particular population resembles either the A or the B population. Theoretically, one must simultaneously examine about ten genetic systems. So, the genetic distance was calculated (6) using data for the following 8 genetic systems: ABO, MNSs, Rhesus, Haptoglobin, Acid Phosphatase, 6-phosphoglucomutase dehydrogenase, Adenyulate Kinase and Adenosive deaminase. These were the only systems for which data were available for all four populations. Using the appropriate mathematics, the genetic distances were calculated among the Platy sample, the mainland Greeks, the Turks and the Bulgarians and the obtained results are shown in Fig 2. As can be seen, the differences between the four populations are small, but the Platy sample appears to be slightly closer in its relationship to the Greeks than to the Turks. Furthermore, the refugees of Platy are closer to the Turks, than to the Bulgarians. The incidence of carriers of b-Mediterranean and sickle cell anaemia as well as of the glucose-6-phosphate-dehydrogenase deficiency have been investigated in the sample of 410 individuals from Pontus by Sinakos et al (1975) at the 1st Clinic of Pathology at the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, headed by professor D Valtis. Low frequency of G-6-PD deficiencies (2%) and b-Mediterranean anaemia (3,7%), and only one carrier of the Hb-S variant were found. The distribution of the moderate pthalassaemia was heterogenous and correlated with the topography of malarious areas from where they had immigrated in the past." hellas2010.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=genetics&action=display&thread=48
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Post by sokola on Jun 3, 2012 16:34:19 GMT -5
Karamans were turks, Bulgarians and a few grekos ... Even today , there is a mountain Bulgar Dagh.
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 4, 2012 2:19:31 GMT -5
Karamanlides say they are Greeks, not Turks or Bulgars.
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Post by sokola on Jun 4, 2012 5:50:07 GMT -5
Karaman turks, still speaks turkish at home and they wear shalvari ! Fake nation, fake history= Yunanistan !
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 4, 2012 6:28:50 GMT -5
Get lost from here illiterate anti-Greek propagandist troll. So far you haven't provide any serious source which supports your claims, so you just band nonsense as well.
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Post by bowandarrow on Jun 4, 2012 15:41:06 GMT -5
They delete my comments but let theirs are allowed to stick.
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Post by tsompanos on Jun 4, 2012 15:51:01 GMT -5
Since sokola commented even though it was stupid, it should be noted some of the Capadocian greeks did speak a slavic tongue very similar to modern day Bulgarian
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Post by sokola on Jun 7, 2012 5:34:48 GMT -5
A lot of Karaman turks, are infact Bulgarians !
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Post by sokola on Jun 7, 2012 5:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2012 6:07:44 GMT -5
There is not any reference to any Bulgarians among Karamans to the source you posted and according to your way of thinking, the Anatolian Bulgarians are Turks.... like the Greeks of Asia Minor.
Other thing Karamanlide Greeks and other thing Karaman Turks.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 6:30:35 GMT -5
greeks always thinks who is orthodox it must be a greek this is FALSE
like every one with just little brain knows Troy and its territory has name of DARDANIA whos desendants can be found with a long chain back to todays kosovo DARDANIA and the illyrian tribe of dardani
even palestinians have albanian orgin
50 years ago there was in grecce olso greek minority thety all spoke albanian
so the chance is big that they are just orthodox albanians
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2012 7:25:29 GMT -5
greeks always thinks who is orthodox it must be a greek this is FALSE Greek refugees from Asia Minor were Greek Orthodoxs, not just Orthodoxs, same goes for the Albanized Greek Arvanites of ancient Greek Arvana. Palestinians are Arabs, Semites and some few of them are Greek Philistine Cretans/Aegeans. Only language is not, of course, a presumption of ethnicity. I speak English but I have nothing to do with Brits. Arvanites are Greeks racially and they have Greek ethnic consciousness.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 7:32:11 GMT -5
palestinias comes from word pelgasian thus albanians like also most of the greeks same with arvanites and arnauts
just a smallnumber is true greek those are same al slavs basterds gays etc who feel the need to call them greek
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2012 9:30:49 GMT -5
palestinias comes from word pelgasian thus albanians like also most of the greeks same with arvanites and arnauts Palaestinus (Ancient Greek: Ðáëáéóôῖíïò) was in Greek mythology a son of Poseidon and father of Haliacmon. From grief at the death of his son, Palaestinus threw himself into the river, which was called after him Palaestinus, and subsequently Strymon.[1][2]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PalaestinusThe name Pelasgians (Greek: Ðåëáóãïß, Pelasgoí, singular Ðåëáóãüò, Pelasgós) was used by some ancient Greek writers to refer to populations that were either the ancestors of the Greeks or who preceded the Greeks in Greece, "a hold-all term for any ancient, primitive and presumably indigenous people in the Greek world."[1] In general, "Pelasgian" has come to mean more broadly all the indigenous inhabitants of the Aegean Sea region and their cultures before the advent of the Greek language.[2] This is not an exclusive meaning, but other senses require identification when meant. During the classical period, enclaves under that name survived in several locations of mainland Greece, Crete and other regions of the Aegean. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PelasgiansYou are a cultural and racial thief as well.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 9:38:52 GMT -5
no im not a thief what they call greek writers for example homer is douptable hi was illyrian and wrote in illyrian but this wil with each day be more clear as for manny a so called greeks who where acually albanians
only albanians stil have names as aferdita (aphordite) and pellezg (pelasgian)
wich is undistuputable fact that those connected to them are albanians
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2012 11:13:25 GMT -5
Albanians are thieves, Pelasgians were proto-Greeks and the Albanians have nothing to do with them, you just steal our history because you have no history and your ancestors were completely UNCIVILIZED BARBARIANS. Homeros was an Aegean Greek(not an Illyrian), either an islander or a Greek Ionian from Asia Minor. Homer ( /ˈhoʊmər/; Ancient Greek: Ὅìçñïò, Hómēros) is the author of the Iliad and the Odyssey, and is revered as the greatest ancient Greek epic poet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomerAphrodite is Greek, of course, and you are again cultural thieves as well. Aphrodite (i/æfrəˈdaɪti/ af-rə-DY-tee; Greek Ἀöñïäßôç) is the Greek goddess of love, beauty, pleasure, and procreation. Her Roman equivalent is the goddess Venus.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 11:57:28 GMT -5
link you are providing are just basis lies of the greeks without further studies and looks of real history of them
its true homer lived in todays grece hi wrote albanian thats for a reason so dont come with comon accepted lies of greeks when we had a sillent voice
but now our voice raised and the world want pick your lies like it did last 50 years
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2012 17:01:41 GMT -5
link you are providing are just basis lies of the greeks without further studies and looks of real history of them Wikipedia (i/ˌwɪkɨˈpi¢°diə/ or i/ˌwɪkiˈpi¢°diə/ WIK-i-PEE-dee-ə) is a free, collaboratively edited and multilingual Internet encyclopedia supported by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. Its 22 million articles (over 3.9 million in English alone) have been written collaboratively by volunteers around the world. Almost all of its articles can be edited by anyone with access to the site,[3] and it has about 100,000 regularly active contributors.[4][5] As of June 2012, there are editions of Wikipedia in 285 languages. It has become the largest and most popular general reference work on the Internet,[6][7][8][9] ranking sixth globally among all websites on Alexa and having an estimated 365 million readers worldwide.[6][10] It is estimated that Wikipedia receives 2.7 billion monthly pageviews from the United States alone.[11]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
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Post by Hellenas on Jun 7, 2012 18:59:59 GMT -5
Origin of the AlbaniansPelasgian theory Another obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory this theory also established that the ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin.[94] The theory gained staunch support among early 20th century Albanian publicists,[95] but is rejected by scholars today.[96]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 20:50:47 GMT -5
and who says thats its reyected today???
you did you wrote it yourself in wiki bitch please
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