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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 19, 2012 22:24:50 GMT -5
I remember when we read in history books for the school's battle of Kosovo in 1389, when the Serbs were defeated by the Ottomans and heartache because it paved the way for the imposition of the Ottoman Turks in the Balkans and the Fall of Constantinople. I remember the emotion I felt - and I always feel - Serbian interlocutors me every time there was a reference to Orthodox monasteries, temples and monuments of the valley of blackbirds. I also remember the impression I did television documentaries and books on Kosovo when talked about the transfer of Byzantine art from painters Thessalonians in Kosovo in Serbian 13 th and 14 th century. I remember the first book I read Serbian translated into Greek, the "Russian Consul" by Vuk Draskovic. With what reverence was referring to Kosovo, the cradle of the Serbian Orthodox Church, where St. Sava, the son of King Stephen Nemanja, founded the first Archdiocese of the Ecumenical Patriarchate blessing of the 13 th century AD And of course I remember the surprise I felt at the Monastery of Mount Athos Chilandari when I realized that the Serbian Church and people to honor the Holy Prince Lazarus, who lost his life in the battle of Kosovo. I remember them all now know that the Albanian majority, favored by the strong support of the land, arbitrarily proclaimed the independence of this Serbian province and demands recognition in the form of state. And I feel a sob wants to go through me when I think that this area is sacred to Orthodox Serbia, but for the Universal Orthodoxy and the common heritage of Byzantine Romanity, which is shared by all Christians of the East . I worry about the overthrow of the border, for the violation of the principles of the UN for possible encouragement and shaking other separatism in various parts of the world, but very close to us. Agonize about the fate of 100,000 Serbs who remained trapped in the northern enclave of Mitrovitsa, ie the city of St. Demetrius. Concerned about the future of numerous Orthodox foundations, which have been damaged and sack. As an Orthodox, a Greek, a European, as a scholar of history and international law seriously worried. Grieve, but do not despair. Whoever believes in God has always hope. Delve into my memory and records that Kosovo is a region that has length and width of about one hundred kilometers. He has four hundred churches and monasteries, monuments Orthodox civilization, of which 150 have suffered large losses from 1999 until today. The Decani, the DeVito, the Gracanica and many other monuments of 12 th -14 th century, making Kosovo, Kosovo has established itself internationally as a Byzantine museum open. The real name for centuries Kosovo - Metohija, not just Kosovo. Only the eastern part of Kosovo said, where is the battlefield of 1389 (Kosovo Polje plain = blackbirds, ie Kosovo). The western part, smaller and lower in altitude and Metohija said there are major monasteries of the Serbian Patriarchate Ipekiou (Pec). The Serbian medieval monasteries in kings gave them the fertile areas, with lots of water and production of grapes and wine. So the 12 th century the Serbs call Metohija this region, from the Greek word denoting Metochion land or buildings dependent on some Orthodox Monastery. The Kosovo-Metohija name was kept for 8 centuries, but after the Second World War in Tito's regime began to eliminate or shrink the abbreviated: MR - from Kosovo and Metohija from the round). The population growth of Albanians and the gradual withdrawal of many Serbs have changed the demographics. While in 1940 the Serbs were a majority in the region since 1990 were found to be in a minority with all the consequences we see today. Step by step and systematic description of the area has lost the word Metohija and stayed only: Kosovo. When Kosovo now "lost" Metohija (as the name and symbolism), lost to Serbia and Orthodoxy. Useful for finding the case of the name of FYROM. Any alteration or manipulation or hijacking or political use of a historical name is never innocent. The people who tolerate or there will be the loser of the case.
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Post by Moe Lester on Jul 20, 2012 0:30:27 GMT -5
I remember when we read in history books for the school's battle of Kosovo in 1389, when the Serbs were defeated by the Ottomans and heartache because it paved the way for the imposition of the Ottoman Turks in the Balkans and the Fall of Constantinople. Oh boy
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 3:54:28 GMT -5
that battle is a lie... like whole serbian nation...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 20, 2012 5:16:13 GMT -5
Kosovo Polje (1389)
Lazar Grebelyanovich was killed at the Battle of Kosovo Polje 1389 when the Serbs suffered a disatrous defeat at the hands of Turkish Sultan Murat I. This ended the Serbian royal line and devestated the Serbian nobility. This ended the existance of Serbia as an indepebdent state. Serbia and the Ottoman Empire fought the Battle of Kosovo Polje on St Vitus' Day (June 28). The basic oitline of the battle is know as well as the outcome. It essentially settle the fate of the Balkans for 500 years. Actually there are few reliable sources surviving and the battle continues to inflame political passions in the 21st century. This is because most Serbs know the battle through emotionally charged epic poetry. Historians other than Serbian nationalists question the view of the battle surviving in poetic sources. Ottoman Sultan Murad (1326?–1389) was one of the great warrior Ottoman sultans. He was the son and successor of Orkhan to the Ottoman throne. Murad greatly expanded Ottoman territory in Europe, although he was unablr to take Constantinople because of the massive fortfied walls, although he forced Byzantine Emperor John V to pay tribute (1373). He conquering Macedonia and made Adrianople his residence. The southern Balkans became the Ottoman province of Rumelia. He persued a feudal policy of granting Muslim suporters conquered lands as fiefs. Murad initiated the policy of taking Christian youths as slaves who were used to form the feared Janissaries. Murad organized a massive force and struck into the Balkans. His army contained units from both the the Anatolian heartlands and Rumelia, the southern Balkans previously conquered. King Lazar of Serbia who had receently seized the crown organized a Christian coalition to resist the Ottoman Army. Lazar's force consisted of Serbs resiforced by Bosnians. Lazar's force was, however, much smaller than Murad's invading army. Reliable historical accounts of this battle are scarce, and they've been largely displaced in the Serbian tradition by the epic poetry, which tell a distorted picture of the events. The two armies fought at Kosovo Polje. The Balkan army was commanded by and Lazar's son-in-law, General Vuk Branković, on the left flank, Lazar commanding the center, and Bosnian Duke Vlatko Vuković commanding the right flank. The actual battle was confused by the assaination of Sultan Murad. Miloš Obilić posing as a deserter managed to enter the Sultan's camp. He managed to enter Murad's tent and stabbed him with a poisoned dagger. Murad's son Bayezid quickly took control. After the battle Bayezid ordered the death of many Balkan prisoners. The Serbs began the battle with a charge of their heavy armored cavalry. This severely damaged the Ottoman flank commanded by Jakub Celebi. The Serbs also pushed back the Ottoman center. It was Bayezid's command that heald steady against attacks from Vlatko Vuković's Bosnian force. The Ottomans counter attacked and heavily damaged the Balkan army as fighting continued. Both the Balkans and Ottomans suffered heavy losses, bith withdawing from Kosovo Polje. The losses sustanied by the Balkan army, however, were catastrophic from which the country could not recover. The Serbian nobility meaning the political elite was decestated. King Lazar and most of the Serbian warrior knights were killed. The Ottomans were able to seize control of both Serbia and Bosnia. The Serbian kingdom was absorbed into the Ottoman Empire after Lazar was killed at the disatrous battle of Kosovo Polje (1389). Serbia as a result was part of the Ottoman Empire for almost five centuries. A serbian historian, writes, "These were the dark ages. Serbian aristocracy was prosecuted and was being physically exterminated, while the rest of Christian Serbs were abused, humiliated and exploited by Islamic Ottoman Empire."
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 5:22:11 GMT -5
the first man is alb look at his clothes... helping slavic serbs... and serbs and slavs do not like sheeps... they love cows... and especialy pigs...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 20, 2012 6:12:25 GMT -5
the first man is alb look at his clothes... helping slavic serbs... and serbs and slavs do not like sheeps... they love cows... and especialy pigs... I see it he run away from the ottomans very fast than the serbian
hm..there is not a bit relying on albanians ! ;D
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Post by Moe Lester on Jul 20, 2012 6:18:58 GMT -5
the first man is alb look at his clothes... helping slavic serbs... How are you so sure? I mean, everyone dressed like that during Ottoman times. This guy, for example, is a Serb but looks sort of like an Ottoman Turk. That was just the dress, AFAIK.
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 6:47:01 GMT -5
look at the second guy to holding horses... hi wears a plis qeleshe at least thats how i see it by the way this picture is called somthing as serbian warrior or somthing... but everyone knows he must have been and alb even the artist tryed to make a serb from it... i can show picture from wich one this artist got inspired by...
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Post by Moe Lester on Jul 20, 2012 6:54:51 GMT -5
look at the second guy to holding horses... hi wears a plis qeleshe at least thats how i see it Serbs used to wear something similar to the Albanian Plis Qeleshe during Ottoman times, before the invention of the Šajkača. Not 100% sure on how common it was, but I know that Serbs used to wear it (or something very similar). The Serb is the shorter one.
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 7:10:38 GMT -5
i dont realy see similaritys...
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Post by Moe Lester on Jul 20, 2012 7:22:27 GMT -5
i dont realy see similaritys... One's white, the other is black
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 7:27:54 GMT -5
i dont realy see similaritys... One's white, the other is black yes serbs always had somthign with black color... albs more with white... but not only that i see clearly a rounded plis
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Post by Moe Lester on Jul 20, 2012 7:32:32 GMT -5
One's white, the other is black yes serbs always had somthign with black color... albs more with white... but not only that i see clearly a rounded plis There you go, common Greek root of the cap.
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 7:35:54 GMT -5
nop always been alb ...
it is hard to accept i know..
but greeks themselfsaid... they have to thanks albs for everything...
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Post by Moe Lester on Jul 20, 2012 7:38:44 GMT -5
nop always been alb ... it is hard to accept i know.. but greeks themselfsaid... they have to thanks albs for everything... No offense, but unless there are 2000 year old statues of Albanian wearing the cap, it's not purely Albanian.
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 8:11:26 GMT -5
nop always been alb ... it is hard to accept i know.. but greeks themselfsaid... they have to thanks albs for everything... No offense, but unless there are 2000 year old statues of Albanian wearing the cap, it's not purely Albanian. problem is serbs and greeks... broke that soort of monuments... and or claimed for them own... the old times are over when we alb didnt had a voice... each day things becoming more and more clear...
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Post by rex362 on Jul 20, 2012 9:24:56 GMT -5
Karta ....your serbian heroes help bring Constantinople down .....
he worked with the ottomans ....he drink Turkish coffee with Turks while watching battle from the sidelines ...he watch Slavic and Albanian,Hungarian blood was being soaked by the ground
many serbian nobles gave their daughters to marry ottoman nobles their kids were your later bad ottomans for you .....malaka!
btw .....WHERE WERE THE GREEKS IN 1389
why you no help ....bcs there was no Greeks !
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 20, 2012 9:44:05 GMT -5
The Albanians remained alongside with the Turkish occupier and fought against the Serbs,Greeks,Montenegrins and Bulgarians !You are a traitor. . .and traitors are shot?
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Post by albascorp on Jul 20, 2012 11:24:31 GMT -5
funny guy.....
everyone danced on ottoman music...
like everyone danced on every EMPIRE!!!!!! Music... til empire falls down... and new empire music sings louder and beter
some forgot meanwhile their own dances...
and ALBS NEVER DID
you need to search what empire does mean...!!! before come here to talk...
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Post by rex362 on Jul 20, 2012 11:40:32 GMT -5
Pow !!
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