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Post by uz on Sept 6, 2012 21:04:57 GMT -5
i am a shiptar, i am proud of it, and i thank Almighty everysecond of my life for making me shiptar!!! !!!! that's you problem^and in the first sentence, what a f**k up you are . btw... fixed for mutual understanding.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 7, 2012 1:25:28 GMT -5
hahaha ethnically cleansed that shiptar
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Post by vinjak on Sept 7, 2012 17:42:49 GMT -5
Both been banned and all their posts deleted.
Replys to their provocations have been left untouched, so maybe you guys might need to delete or change your replys.
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Post by kun on Sept 9, 2012 8:15:14 GMT -5
Neither Serbs nor Romanians can decern fact from fiction
Bram Stoker's Dracula is never explicitly connected to the Vlach Vlad III other than the name Dracul, the fact that Dracula states he is a Székely clearly separates the historical inspiration from the fictional vampire. Székelys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székelys
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The Cuman influence in Wallachia and Moldavia was very strong, the earliest Wallachian rulers bore Cuman names (e.g. Tihomir and Bassarab). Basarab I, son of the Wallachian prince Tihomir of Wallachia obtained independence from Hungary at the beginning of the 14th century. The name Basarab is considered by some authors as being of Cuman origin, and meaning "Father King". the House of Drăculeşti are of Cuman descent: Vlad II Dracul ... Vlad III Drăculea, "Vlad the Impaler", 1448, 1456–1462. Cuman people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuman_people
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Post by kun on Sept 9, 2012 8:26:13 GMT -5
The Szekely people are the ones who should have the "rights" to Dracula
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Post by amateurs on Sept 9, 2012 9:35:07 GMT -5
We were talking about Vlad Dracula, the Wallachian Prince, not of Bram Stoker's Dracula. As for Stoker, he read a book on Romanian history and that is where he encountered the name of Dracula.
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Post by amateurs on Sept 9, 2012 9:36:02 GMT -5
Both been banned and all their posts deleted. Replys to their provocations have been left untouched, so maybe you guys might need to delete or change your replys. Well done, Aadmin. Although I thought this was the Romanian forum and your Serb genes had no authority here.
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Post by kun on Sept 9, 2012 10:34:25 GMT -5
he read a book on Romanian history and that is where he encountered the name of Dracula.
Wrong! His name was Vlad Tepes, Dracul was his "title. Stoker knew nothing of Romanian history, and Tepes never called himself a Romanian, since there was no country called Romania in Medieval Europe. Maybe I should have made myself clearer, The Szekely should claim the rights to the myth of Dracula, since the average person doesn't know who Vlad Tepes is.
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Post by kun on Sept 9, 2012 10:35:44 GMT -5
The Serbs and Romanians can claim him all they want, he was a Cuman from Wallachia
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Post by amateurs on Sept 9, 2012 12:25:02 GMT -5
he read a book on Romanian history and that is where he encountered the name of Dracula. Wrong! His name was Vlad Tepes, Dracul was his "title. Stoker knew nothing of Romanian history, and Tepes never called himself a Romanian, since there was no country called Romania in Medieval Europe. Maybe I should have made myself clearer, The Szekely should claim the rights to the myth of Dracula, since the average person doesn't know who Vlad Tepes is. No, his name was not Vlad Tepes. His name was Dan Vlad Basarab and he was later given the title of Dracula (not Dracul, who was his father). He was Wallachian, and Wallachia was called in Romanian as Tara Romaneasca. Stoker did read a book on Romanian history and that is where he encountered the name. The paragraph that I quoted in the previous post describes Dracula's exploits in Bulgaria where he had over 20,000 people killed. Now go and get yourself an education. I'm tired of talking with you retards. I've done this BS for the last decade and you still remain retards.
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Post by kun on Sept 9, 2012 17:48:29 GMT -5
Origin of the name "Dracula"
King Sigismund of Hungary, who became the Holy Roman Emperor in 1410, founded a secret fraternal order of knights called the Order of the Dragon to uphold Christianity and defend the Empire against the Ottoman Turks. Its emblem was a dragon, wings extended, hanging on a cross. Vlad III’s father (Vlad II) was admitted to the Order around 1431 because of his bravery in fighting the Turks. From 1431 onward Vlad II wore the emblem of the order and later, as ruler of Wallachia, his coinage bore the dragon symbol.
By the 11th and 12th century, the nomadic confederacy of the Cumans and (Eastern) Kipchaks (who were a distinct tribe with whom the Cumans created a confederacy) were the dominant force over the vast territories stretching from the present-day Kazakhstan, southern Russia, Ukraine, to southern Moldavia and western Wallachia.
Wallachia was founded as a principality in the early 14th century by Basarab I. in Slavonic texts, the name of Zemli Ungro-Vlahiskoi (Земли Унгро-Влахискои or "Hungaro-Wallachian Land") was also used as a designation for its location - the land next to Hungary. For long periods after the 14th century, Wallachia was referred to as Vlaško (Влашко) by Bulgarian sources, Vlaška by Serbian sources and Walachei or Walachey by German-speaking (Transylvanian Saxon) sources. The traditional Hungarian name for Wallachia is "Havasalföld", or literally "Snowy Lowlands" (the older form is "Havaselve", which means "Land beyond the snowy mountains"). In Ottoman Turkish and Turkish, "Eflâk" (which also means "sky" or "skies"), افلاق, It seems you've been the RETARD the last decade, idiots like you can never learn you just drown in your stupidity.
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Post by amateurs on Sept 9, 2012 19:27:14 GMT -5
All that is well known. In fact, one could go further back in time and find a Serbian origin to the Order of the Dragon.
And yes, the different names of Wallachia is also well known by the (previous) members of the Romanian forum. There were also different names for Moldavia. What exactly is your point, apart from showing your retardness? None of what you posted there bears any relevance to what you brought up--namely that Dracula was Cuman and that the name of Dracula should belong to the Szekely because in Stoker's book, Dracula is identified in a passage as being Szekely (one could easily argue that in other passages, posted by me, he was pointing to a Wallachian origin--and I'm not merely talking about the name of Dracula).
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Post by vinjak on Sept 9, 2012 19:57:02 GMT -5
All that is well known. In fact, one could go further back in time and find a Serbian origin to the Order of the Dragon.
Stefan Lazarevic, who together with Vlads father were members.
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Post by kun on Sept 10, 2012 18:07:00 GMT -5
The relevance is that both Romanians and Serbs are claiming Dracula, the mythical and real person as their own which is BS. I've shown the origin of the name and you can't seem to accept it. How typical it is of you people try try to create connections with things that are simply untrue. Wake up dude, your nationalistic dogma doesn't fly in the 21st century. The title of retard is all yours.
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Post by amateurs on Sept 10, 2012 18:25:18 GMT -5
Serbs are not claiming Dracula, you god damn moron. Only one Serb scholar did that, and maybe a couple of Serbs gave him the attention. You haven't shown us the origin of the name. You screwed it up. We all knew the origin of the name, as it was discussed many times before.
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Post by kun on Sept 11, 2012 14:57:26 GMT -5
Whats the title of this thread dummy? It should read Serbs and Romanians want top steal Dracula.
bozgorica!
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Post by diurpaneus on Oct 21, 2012 15:45:14 GMT -5
I read somewhere briefly that his father was a membeer of a society called the Order of the Dragon, which supposedly was founded by Milos Obilic. The Order of the Dragon was founded by Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund of Luxemburg. Who was german. Don't try to claim this too, serbs.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Oct 22, 2012 14:51:08 GMT -5
he read a book on Romanian history and that is where he encountered the name of Dracula. Wrong! His name was Vlad Tepes, Dracul was his "title. Stoker knew nothing of Romanian history, and Tepes never called himself a Romanian, since there was no country called Romania in Medieval Europe. Maybe I should have made myself clearer, The Szekely should claim the rights to the myth of Dracula, since the average person doesn't know who Vlad Tepes is. There was no Germany or Italy either, so there were no Germans and no Italians? Stoker knew enough of Romanian history since he mentions several episodes of it in his book. Apart from what Anittas wrote already: "That treasure has been hidden," he went on, "in the region through which you came last night, there can be but little doubt. For it was the ground fought over for centuries by the Wallachian, the Saxon, and the Turk. Why, there is hardly a foot of soil in all this region that has not been enriched by the blood of men, patriots or invaders. In the old days there were stirring times, when the Austrian and the Hungarian came up in hordes, and the patriots went out to meet them, men and women, the aged and the children too, and waited their coming on the rocks above the passes, that they might sweep destruction on them with their artificial avalanches. When the invader was triumphant he found but little, for whatever there was had been sheltered in the friendly soil."Dracula/Drăculea was his name, Țepes was only a moniker.
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