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Post by rex362 on Jan 30, 2013 15:38:49 GMT -5
what took so long ........where will he meet with Ksera now ?
me and this guy were born in same year and same city and most likely same hospital ...I should of strangled him with his own umbilical cord /if I only knew ...shameful Albanian blood this family
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 30, 2013 19:20:24 GMT -5
He does remind me of you in a way.... Albanians greatest enemy is another Albanian.
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 30, 2013 20:14:17 GMT -5
He does remind me of you in a way.... Albanians greatest enemy is another Albanian. thats the only possibility...
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Post by mendor on Feb 1, 2013 6:07:33 GMT -5
He does remind me of you in a way.... Albanians greatest enemy is another Albanian.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 2, 2013 0:07:50 GMT -5
what took so long ........where will he meet with Ksera now ?
me and this guy were born in same year and same city and most likely same hospital ...I should of strangled him with his own umbilical cord /if I only knew ...shameful Albanian blood this family "There is no Albanian nation and the Albanian national consciousness was created 100 years ago", "The national hero, George Kastriotis is Greek, like the red-flag that currently is Byzantine, " " The Protocol of Corfu in 1914 which provides for the autonomy of Northern Epirus is still in force and Albania needs to respect "and" First of all we apologize for crimes they did in Greece, because half imprisoned in Greece are Albanians. The state of war was not lifted off is in place and can not be removed by a statement of Papoulias, but to pass the Greek Parliament . "
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 2, 2013 0:14:09 GMT -5
what took so long ........where will he meet with Ksera now ?
me and this guy were born in same year and same city and most likely same hospital ...I should of strangled him with his own umbilical cord /if I only knew ...shameful Albanian blood this family "There is no Albanian nation and the Albanian national consciousness was created 100 years ago", "The national hero, George Kastriotis is Greek, like the red-flag that currently is Byzantine, "" The Protocol of Corfu in 1914 which provides for the autonomy of Northern Epirus is still in force and Albania needs to respect "and" First of all we apologize for crimes they did in Greece, because half imprisoned in Greece are Albanians. The the state of war was not lifted off is in place and can not be removed by a statement of Papoulias, but to pass the Greek Parliament . " ethnikismosblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/xpappas.jpg I always said it, the debunking of the Albanian identity start with Kastrioti.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 2, 2013 0:29:35 GMT -5
I always said it, the debunking of the Albanian identity start with Kastrioti. In the central square of Tirana, capital of Albania modern stands an impressive statue on horseback is one warrior who rivets the observer passing through strict expression and strong power. The warrior in traditional medieval equipment, Nets, sword and helmet, which adorns the head of a male deer, obvious symbolism refers to the action of this warrior in mountainous regions, where the wild beasts are proudly live and breathe the air of freedom. The informative inscription at the base of the statue is, of course, in the Albanian language and informs the observer that is passing for the ruler «GJERGJ KASTRIOTI - SKENDERBEU», who lived and worked in 15 ° c. A.D. while the modern Albanians to view and honor him as their national hero. However,as is known, the Albanian language by the end of 19ou century was only verbal and written expression became just then, so there are no old texts. Therefore, if someone historian researcher wants to find how it would be written in the inscription above 15 ° c., Should refer to the language in which he expresses in writing the inhabitants of the wider Epirus (where it belonged and most of today's Albania) during time. However, such language which is spoken but also written in Epirus, from the extreme antiquity to the early 20th century, there was only one and that was the Greek, as is shown by many archaeological finds (inscriptions, coins, pottery, seals, etc.), and the undisputed fact that it was the official language of the Byzantine Empire in education, law, diplomacy and trade. H does not use nor not ceased during the Turkish rule until the 20th century. Therefore, each elementary educated (and 'index of suspicion' ...) modern Greek, who will read this inscription Albanian, referring him Greek - recording the name of 'Albanian' hero, one finds that-quite simply- This is called "George Kastriotis." As for the epithet as «SKENDERBEU», in Greek recording attributed as "SKENTERMPEIS" which is a " a corruption of the Turkish expression "Iskenterbeys" which in Greek means "lord Alexander the Great."
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 2, 2013 4:58:43 GMT -5
Jorgonaqis kastrotiqipidhis
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Post by rex362 on Feb 2, 2013 10:10:05 GMT -5
Children of the Junta revived ...simple as that
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 2, 2013 15:06:48 GMT -5
I always said it, the debunking of the Albanian identity start with Kastrioti. In the central square of Tirana, capital of Albania modern stands an impressive statue on horseback is one warrior who rivets the observer passing through strict expression and strong power. The warrior in traditional medieval equipment, Nets, sword and helmet, which adorns the head of a male deer, obvious symbolism refers to the action of this warrior in mountainous regions, where the wild beasts are proudly live and breathe the air of freedom. The informative inscription at the base of the statue is, of course, in the Albanian language and informs the observer that is passing for the ruler «GJERGJ KASTRIOTI - SKENDERBEU», who lived and worked in 15 ° c. A.D. while the modern Albanians to view and honor him as their national hero. However,as is known, the Albanian language by the end of 19ou century was only verbal and written expression became just then, so there are no old texts. Therefore, if someone historian researcher wants to find how it would be written in the inscription above 15 ° c., Should refer to the language in which he expresses in writing the inhabitants of the wider Epirus (where it belonged and most of today's Albania) during time. However, such language which is spoken but also written in Epirus, from the extreme antiquity to the early 20th century, there was only one and that was the Greek, as is shown by many archaeological finds (inscriptions, coins, pottery, seals, etc.), and the undisputed fact that it was the official language of the Byzantine Empire in education, law, diplomacy and trade. H does not use nor not ceased during the Turkish rule until the 20th century. Therefore, each elementary educated (and 'index of suspicion' ...) modern Greek, who will read this inscription Albanian, referring him Greek - recording the name of 'Albanian' hero, one finds that-quite simply- This is called "George Kastriotis." As for the epithet as «SKENDERBEU», in Greek recording attributed as "SKENTERMPEIS" which is a " a corruption of the Turkish expression "Iskenterbeys" which in Greek means "lord Alexander the Great." As far as I know his primary language wasn't Albanian but rather Serbian and Greek there's a huge possibility he didn't even know Albanian. However, he did fight for this people of how he saw them from his eyes which is completely backwards of how most Albanians see it today. To say he's an Albanian hero is correct, but towards which identity? Todays Albanian-identity contradicts everything of Skandengeg.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 2, 2013 16:54:50 GMT -5
^^ AHHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHHHHAHHAHA
you must be bored
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 3, 2013 13:05:47 GMT -5
this imbecile said his primary language was greek and serbian...that's two languages you gimp, mindless twat!
he was taken as a young child to serve for the sultan you shithead, how do you assume his primary language was either greek or serbian? if anything it would be turkish,
an albanian, whose father was an albanian prince, lives among albanians, comes back to the fatherland and forges a union of albanian tribes.....how do you cunts arrive at these conclusions?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 3, 2013 13:36:14 GMT -5
this imbecile said his primary language was greek and serbian...that's two languages you gimp, mindless twat! he was taken as a young child to serve for the sultan you s**thead, how do you assume his primary language was either greek or serbian? if anything it would be turkish, an albanian, whose father was an albanian prince, lives among albanians, comes back to the fatherland and forges a union of albanian tribes.....how do you c**ts arrive at these conclusions? He only knew how to write in cyrillic and was only heard/witnessed speaking Serbian and Greek. You're last paragraph got the better of yourself - you totally - as always missed the point. Yes he was about Albanian unity, yes he was fighting for Albanian liberty but it wasn't long till all his people forgot about him... and was ressurected during the commie times undert that clown of yours hoxha to stir nationalism - something non-existant since the Ottomans for you people. For Centuries Albanians didn't recognize Skandenbeg as anything - this wasn't till hundreds of years after the Rest of Europe recognized him as a Christian Hero. You ever wonder why? I am not attacking Skandenbeg, quite the opposite you dumbfuck - I am attacking how morons like you interprete him.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 3, 2013 17:31:51 GMT -5
1. how could he have grown up in istanbul and spent most of his adult life living in present day turkey, serving under the sultan's army and not have had turkish as a primary language? you mindnumbingly dull c**t! do you ever stop and reflect on how much of a stupid wanker you are sometimes, the unsolicited barrage of idiocy that comes out of you mouth is something else.
2. who are these eye witnesses from 600 years ago that can attest to him speaking in greek and a slavic language? your approach to history is that of*gossip magazine, wha the f**k are on about? how do we know that he wrote in cyrillic? where did you hear that, how do you know that he didn't have one of his aides write it for him?
3. cyrillic alphabet refers to the letters used by slavic languages far and wide, so the slavic language he allegedly spoke could just as easily been bulgarian or some form of other slavic, why do you presume its serbian?
4. the fact that he fell into the dark recesses of the memory does not change the fact that he was albanian, you are steering the conversation into another direction, it makes him no less albanian if for a couple of centuries he was forgotten you lump of disappointment.
5. his memory was restored during the reinassance and league of prizren which culminated with our independence and the flag of arber long before communism you pompous moron.
6. scanderbeg was an educated man who lived in the sultan's court for the best part of his life, he was a general and a highly ranked military official, he did the sultan's bidding on countless campaigns and i would imagine spent a lengthy time in foreign lands coming across foreign races, do you think he may picked up other languages along the way?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 3, 2013 20:12:10 GMT -5
Firstly, to really know your hero you must aknowledge his ancestry:
a) Skenderbeg is the great grandson of Branilo, the Serb duke of Kastoria. b) Skenderbeg’s brother was named Stanisa, a contemporary Serbian name. c) Stanisa’s son (Skenderbeg’s nephew) was also named Branilo. d) Skenderbeg’s mother was Vojislava daughter of the Serb ruler of Polog e) Skenderbeg’s sisters Valica and Jela mean ‘little wave’ and ‘dear’ in Serbian. Branilo and Stanisa are both Serbian names meaning ‘defender’ and ‘the one who stands,’ respectively. Note that neither Branilo, Stanisa, Valica nor Jela exist as Bulgarian or Albanian names.
These^ are all Serbian Pagan names btw.
It was also documented in a Croatia scribe written by an Albanian priest (Catholic) that Skandenbeg wrote only in cyrillic as I said, I didn't even say Serbian however he didn't speak any other Slavic tonge other than Serbian!, he spoke Greek too.
“Skenderbeg, a personally brave man was of Serb descent and was so useful, that he was respected by the Albanians, as well. He was the son of Ivan Kastrioti. His mother was Vojislava, daughter of the Prince of Polog”
Teodoro Spanduci 16th century Italian
Now I am not arguing what his nationality was, I am stating his lineage. He was Albanian, as many Albanians stem from this said ethnos, so does he.
Whose arguing about his credibility I already made clear?
His memory is not the problem, it's yours.
The issue is not him at all it's how you've handled using his name and legacy without having any understanding of him at all.
You refuse to see the obvious. It took hundreds of years after his death till the Albanians started to look up at Skandenbeg as a National Hero. LONG after the rest of Europe already did. What does this tell you? It means he got re-injected into your identity post-Ottomans, you needed something and who better than a European Christian Hero for a majority Muslim Nation of people.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 3, 2013 21:41:33 GMT -5
POW!!!!!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 4, 2013 8:13:32 GMT -5
Firstly, to really know your hero you must aknowledge his ancestry: a) Skenderbeg is the great grandson of Branilo, the Serb duke of Kastoria. hearsay, inaccurate and has been refuted. i'm not sure, those could all be true, i just have not see any source that would corroborate those claims, however noble familes did use to intermarry so i would not be the least bit surprised if slavic names were used, his mother is said to be of slavic descendence so it is conceivable that some of his sibling's names are indeed slavic sounding, that does not worry me and doesn not make him a slav. you would need to give me proof that those names are exclusively serbian, i can not take your word on it seeing as you are a demented person, you would need to provide us with actual written information like Rex does by respected authors. uncorroborated claims, even if that was the case, doesn't mean anything, a hindu named isaac is not a jew, provide proof. how do you know this? who is the name of this catholic priest? was he contemporary? how do you know he only spoke serbian and greek exclusively? where are you getting all this information? pls provide links, pages, authors etc. who is this obscure source? he claims he married some chick with a slavic name when everyone knows his wife's name was Donika, grossly unreliable source, Quoted from Encyclopedia Britannica "Among the leading families of the Albanian feudal nobility were the Thopias, Balshas, Shpatas, Muzakas, Aranitis, Dukagjinis, and Kastriotis." Quote from Marinus Barletius on his 16th century bio of Scanderbeg, Historia de vita et gestis Scanderbegi Epirotarum Principis. Currently the leading source for info on Scanderbeg.(Regarding the origins of Scanderbeg's mother) "John Kastrioti was married to Voisave, the daughter of the ruler of Pollogus, a country that lies between Tetovo and Skopje. One part of the population of Pollogus besides Bulgarian was Albanian, the family of Tribalda or “Triballorum princeps”. It was from this marriage that John Kastrioti had five girls and four boys." This Italian Heraldica page, which has the same emblem shown in your "Nobility" page (Issue; Scanderbegs origins) "The Kastrioti or Castriota family, of Albanian origin, begins with certainty with John Castriota, lord of Mat and Vumenestia, who died in 1443. He resisted Turkish attempts at conquering the Albanian region." his father's name is not Ivan, there you go your source refuted, dismissed, dispelled and shat upon. Now I am not arguing what his nationality was, I am stating his lineage. He was Albanian, as many Albanians stem from this said ethnos, so does he. do you ever fucking read what other write? it doesn't matter if albanians forgot about him for 1000 years, the fact remains he was albanian, that is beside the point you imbecile, point is your attempts to claim he was a serb and throw doubt as to his ethnicity are unfounded.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 9:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 9:21:53 GMT -5
It's not that the Golden Dawn is taking on a police role in Greece, but it is the Greek police who are supporting the Golden Dawn, especially in Athens. It is the Greek police that are using their powers to exert Golden Dawn ideology. It will be the downfall of Greece!!
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 9:36:41 GMT -5
Golden Down is Junta offspring and their ideology
if they gain the same or more seats next election it will be the final blow for greece
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