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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 17:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 17:25:10 GMT -5
atheist/ pagans ....was my way of describing of something between not believing and pagan Gods stop playing detective with my single words while looking for fingerprints to frame me Where do you get this fantastic idea that the Illyrians were half-way religious, right in the middle LOL ... etc whose ever said such a thing, whose your source for such a ridiculous claim? They beleived in many Gods you moron like Pagansim but not really, did you even know they had there-own Gods? Did you know they performed ritual human-sacrififies for these Gods?
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 4, 2013 17:32:00 GMT -5
Look up the names of this lineage, you will come across Albanized Serbian names. What I meant by Pagan Serbian, is that those names are pre-Christian Serbian names. You will have to research the names yourself through unbiased sources... Stanisa and Branilo are irrefutably Serbian (you will have to prove otherwise - it's like asking me to prove the sky is blue just look yourself or prove otherwise), as is Vojisava the male version of Vojislav (Sesejl). what do you mean by his lineage? his father's name was Gjon and no one knows what his grandfather's name was, its all hearsay, he named his son after his old man Gjon...his son came back to rekindle his father's glory days but was unsuccessfull....what lineage do you speak of, we know very little beyond these facts, Marin Barleti is the only reliable, contemporary source on scanderbeg's, where do you obtain this very specific information about his lineage? Gjon Kastrioti (senior), had nine children, some of their names were albanian and some slavic, like i said this was not uncommon, Gjergj Kastrioti had close ties with slav families, he married his sister off to the montenegran ruler Stefan Cernojeviqin, who was a close ally. i wanna know how do you know about his lineage? pls provide evidence. i don't know if that is accurate, you could just be talking shit like you always do, as far as i am concerned you plucked that out of thin air, you provide no sources to your claims, you just say things for the sake of saying them so who can attest to the authenticity of what you're saying? again, that may be true, but i'm not sure as to what it means, you think that your monks trimming the grass around Gjon Kastrioti's grave washes of the albanian blood you have shed? how can you say that you migrane inducing moron, running your mouth like a fucking parrot, i am a christian and i can tell you first hand you're a misinformed wanker, how can you talk about religious matters in albania with such an assured smugness? the only religious crackppots in the balcans are serbians, don't be painting everyone else with the same brush, the serbs have shown time and time again their willingness to shed blood in the same of religion, stop fucking distorting things and making false claims. you fucking amateur, you're just a fucking propaganda mouthpiece, flapping your shit eating mouth for pages on end, trivialising history to a bunch of incoherent hearsay, albanians paid a heavy price after the death of Katrioti you dirtbag, the population was depleted so severily that there was entire region and cities with no men because the sultan vowed to wipe the seed of albanians of the face of the earth, Barleti speaks of the arid smell of scorched earth for months on end, wave after wave of pillaging, ransacking and burnings drove a large portion of the population abroad i.e. the arberesh, in italy, romania and even as far as armenia. so do not be simplifying the history of our people to cater to your own obssession with religion, there are reason why things turned out the way they did, you just don't pick a fucking episode at a point and time in history and blurt some ignorant, carelessly thought out thought like you know shit, you insolent wank stain. that made no fucking sense, what was that halfwitted insightful analysis about? are you trying to say corroborate? that means to confirm not forge momo, you're skipping centuries like you prance around in leather skirt, that whole paragraph is confusing. Kastrioti is a symbol of unity, he was a muslim for most of his life what the fuck are you talking about? he embodies this religious duality perfectly which would later be a reflected upon his people, all albanians will openly agree that he did fight was christianity and his own people, no one would deny that, so where is the controversy here? again, you have no idea what you're talking about. how the fuck are you gonna kill in the name of religion, which is supposed to preach peace and serenity and brag about serbs doing God's work or continuing the devine work of Scanderbeg? how are you going to kill non ottomans and claim to be ridding the lands, which did not belong to serbs in the first place, of ottomans....the people of scanderbeg no less, do you ever read back what you write? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? the serbs fought for their own greed, their insatiable appetite for land and access to the sea, if they had so much hatred for islam they would have not been such loyal subjects to the ottomans for hundreds of years, lets cut the bullshit, you intermarried with ottomans at the highest levels with ease. you are talking about two distinct eras, in the pre-ottoman era the albanians and slavs got along just fine, then skip forward to 18 hundreds when your sick nationalism kicked in and things changed, you started to slowly rationalise then introduce your fables in the mainstream and before you know you got everyone brainwashed and indoctrinated. i am still waiting for you to provide me sources for the claims that his primary language was serbian or greek.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 17:32:49 GMT -5
we illyrins should of performed on slavs as they came in ....many human sacrifices on you's
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 18:00:21 GMT -5
Look up the names of this lineage, you will come across Albanized Serbian names. What I meant by Pagan Serbian, is that those names are pre-Christian Serbian names. You will have to research the names yourself through unbiased sources... Stanisa and Branilo are irrefutably Serbian (you will have to prove otherwise - it's like asking me to prove the sky is blue just look yourself or prove otherwise), as is Vojisava the male version of Vojislav (Sesejl). what do you mean by his lineage? his father's name was Gjon and no one knows what his grandfather's name was, its all hearsay, he named his son after his old man Gjon...his son came back to rekindle his father's glory days but was unsuccessfull....what lineage do you speak of, we know very little beyond these facts, Marin Barleti is the only reliable, contemporary source on scanderbeg's, where do you obtain this very specific information about his lineage? Gjon Kastrioti (senior), had nine children, some of their names were albanian and some slavic, like i said this was not uncommon, Gjergj Kastrioti had close ties with slav families, he married his sister off to the montenegran ruler Stefan Cernojeviqin, who was a close ally. i wanna know how do you know about his lineage? pls provide evidence. i don't know if that is accurate, you could just be talking s**t like you always do, as far as i am concerned you plucked that out of thin air, you provide no sources to your claims, you just say things for the sake of saying them so who can attest to the authenticity of what you're saying? again, that may be true, but i'm not sure as to what it means, you think that your monks trimming the grass around Gjon Kastrioti's grave washes of the albanian blood you have shed? how can you say that you migrane inducing moron, running your mouth like a f**king parrot, i am a christian and i can tell you first hand you're a misinformed wanker, how can you talk about religious matters in albania with such an assured smugness? the only religious crackppots in the balcans are serbians, don't be painting everyone else with the same brush, the serbs have shown time and time again their willingness to shed blood in the same of religion, stop f**king distorting things and making false claims. you f**king amateur, you're just a f**king propaganda mouthpiece, flapping your s**t eating mouth for pages on end, trivialising history to a bunch of incoherent hearsay, albanians paid a heavy price after the death of Katrioti you dirtbag, the population was depleted so severily that there was entire region and cities with no men because the sultan vowed to wipe the seed of albanians of the face of the earth, Barleti speaks of the arid smell of scorched earth for months on end, wave after wave of pillaging, ransacking and burnings drove a large portion of the population abroad i.e. the arberesh, in italy, romania and even as far as armenia. so do not be simplifying the history of our people to cater to your own obssession with religion, there are reason why things turned out the way they did, you just don't pick a f**king episode at a point and time in history and blurt some ignorant, carelessly thought out thought like you know s**t, you insolent wank stain. that made no f**king sense, what was that halfwitted insightful analysis about? are you trying to say corroborate? that means to confirm not forge momo, you're skipping centuries like you prance around in leather skirt, that whole paragraph is confusing. Kastrioti is a symbol of unity, he was a muslim for most of his life what the f**k are you talking about? he embodies this religious duality perfectly which would later be a reflected upon his people, all albanians will openly agree that he did fight was christianity and his own people, no one would deny that, so where is the controversy here? again, you have no idea what you're talking about. how the f**k are you gonna kill in the name of religion, which is supposed to preach peace and serenity and brag about serbs doing God's work or continuing the devine work of Scanderbeg? how are you going to kill non ottomans and claim to be ridding the lands, which did not belong to serbs in the first place, of ottomans....the people of scanderbeg no less, do you ever read back what you write? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? the serbs fought for their own greed, their insatiable appetite for land and access to the sea, if they had so much hatred for islam they would have not been such loyal subjects to the ottomans for hundreds of years, lets cut the bulls**t, you intermarried with ottomans at the highest levels with ease. you are talking about two distinct eras, in the pre-ottoman era the albanians and slavs got along just fine, then skip forward to 18 hundreds when your sick nationalism kicked in and things changed, you started to slowly rationalise then introduce your fables in the mainstream and before you know you got everyone brainwashed and indoctrinated. i am still waiting for you to provide me sources for the claims that his primary language was serbian or greek. Skandenbegs' father is buried at the Hilandar Serbian Orthodox Monastery in Greece, his last few years of life he converted to Orthodoxy and became a monk there. ANYONE who knows about his family knows this, it's a well known fact. A quick simple search can help you - he also changed his first name there to Joachim. I was only making a point of how most Albanians don't know much about the Kastrioti family at all, yet pretend to be experts - OH like rex and you for example. Skendenbeg named his son after him. The Hilandar Monastery also dedicated the St. Geroge tower to him and his cause, by renaming it the ALbanian Tower - DID YOU KNOW THAT? Probably not, you guys are too busy hating shooting blanks. I am answering you point by point, I dont know how to use the quote. Now to your religion paragraph, a catastrophic attempt at trying to make a point....what are you on ? I don't care what religion means today, WE'RE TALKING OF BACK THEN, and you cannot be such an idiot to think that it didn't matter. TO Skandenbeg IT MATTERED, to his supporters IT MATTERED, to those continuing his legacy.... IT MATTERED to those Albanians who converted to Islam IT MATTERED FOR THEM TOO.Stop being so stupid. Your next paragraph pertaining to Kastrioti when he died; WTF?!?? there you go totally missing the plot again... All you're doing is rationalizing, coming up with EXCUSES. My point is simple and very clear, Skandenbeg was never considered a hero for the ALbanians till long after the rest of Europe already did... I don't give a f**k how you try to play this off, but there's motive you dumbf**k!! can't you see? Skandenbeg being a hero wasn't convenient for the Albanians back then. He got resurected as a hero ONLY because it was convenient to do so - your major life suport line was toast - the Ottomans left! The Ottomans played a huge role in shaping the Albanian identity, as I said "greater" ALbania has nothing to do with Skandenbeg, but rather the Ottomans. Pertainign to Kastrioti again.... Man, all I am saying is that he was slaughtering Turks, to him , like with most barbarians anyone who is Muslim was a Turk. How many Albanian Muslims fought alongside Skandenbeg against the Turks, you got the numbers? you got this data? He would chop their heads himself. He did not jump religions for fun!!!! He saw religion is identity!!! which is why he converted back you flying c**t! otherwise WHY BOTHER? just remain muslim "cause it doesnt matter anyway" and take out those bad Turk people. You totally run away from my point by continuously bringing up his origin-argument. I DONT GIVE A f**k and neither should you.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 4, 2013 18:22:52 GMT -5
you're a mediocre fuck, stop analysing scanderbeg's psyche 600 years after his death, my God you want him to be serb so badly
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 18:32:01 GMT -5
you're a mediocre f**k, stop analysing scanderbeg's psyche 600 years after his death, my God you want him to be serb so badly Very subtle breakdown, your best yet.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 4, 2013 18:46:27 GMT -5
when have you ever broken anything down rationally? you are an object of ridicule
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2013 18:49:26 GMT -5
Mario,
I don't think anyone wants Scani to be anything but Albanian, frankly I don't want him to be Greek, were allowed to analyze and hypothesize no?So many twists and 90's in those stories its fun.. to talk about it... no need to be vulgar no matter what you think someones agenda is.. it makes you look like you've painted yourself in a corner.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 19:00:43 GMT -5
He knows very well I am not trying to claim Skandenbeg as Serbian - he's just ignoring the rest of my point. He does it better than rex I must admit.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2013 19:03:48 GMT -5
He knows very well I am not trying to claim Skandenbeg as Serbian - he's just ignoring the rest of my point. He does it better than rex I must admit. You got to admit they posses suaveness and are excellent skaters... Rex is the champ... if ever I would be stuck I would call on Rex to bullshit his way out of me getting in trouble. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 20:39:11 GMT -5
I don't help guys with cameras around their necks and pockets full of candy ![](http://www.talknerdytomelover.com/storage/ice_skating_6.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1297033455468)
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2013 21:28:47 GMT -5
I don't help guys with cameras around their necks and pockets full of candy Don't talk of Mario like that...he gave up the candy...
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Post by littleboyfatman on Feb 5, 2013 2:41:11 GMT -5
Where do you get this fantastic idea that the Illyrians were half-way religious, right in the middle LOL ... etc whose ever said such a thing, whose your source for such a ridiculous claim? They beleived in many Gods you moron like Pagansim but not really, did you even know they had there-own Gods? Did you know they performed ritual human-sacrififies for these Gods?
they sacrificed babys... just by default... ![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Rubens_saturn.jpg/170px-Rubens_saturn.jpg)
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 5, 2013 6:15:22 GMT -5
Mario, I don't think anyone wants Scani to be anything but Albanian, frankly I don't want him to be Greek, were allowed to analyze and hypothesize no?So many twists and 90's in those stories its fun.. to talk about it... no need to be vulgar no matter what you think someones agenda is.. it makes you look like you've painted yourself in a corner. well i dunno why we have to have this discussion, its like a neverending debate, vulgarity is an integral part of these boards
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 5, 2013 7:05:10 GMT -5
He knows very well I am not trying to claim Skandenbeg as Serbian - he's just ignoring the rest of my point. He does it better than rex I must admit. but you are, you say you aren't but you hint at it, and its not even subtle. when you talk about his lineage what do you mean exactly? you can not call into question his lineage without doubting his ethnicity/nationality you dumb lump of meat. what are these highly intellectual points you're making that we seem to be purposely sideskirting? the only point you seem to be making over and over is that you're making a point, there is no common sense to anything you have said.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 5, 2013 7:05:30 GMT -5
lol, yet another thread brutalized by the rat ;D
Anyway, wasn't Branilo's mother saying that she raised her son as a "ZMAJ"?
Signs of Serbian/Slav Zmajevi and pre-christian mythology is all over Greece and Albania churches. Those churches were built by Serbs anyway.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 5, 2013 7:46:39 GMT -5
picko finally rears his ugly head, what the fuck is a zmaj, who the fuck is branilo and what does anything have to do with Gjergj Kastrioti!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 5, 2013 9:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2013 9:40:02 GMT -5
Triballi is not slavic
polog /pelag know your geography
slavs have gained as geographic location such as slavs in Macedonia
Go back to your Bulgarian lessons Vlach
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