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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2013 17:37:01 GMT -5
yea but for you it happened in a very high energy super Tesla religious charge of epic poems written by clerics ... which you put your defeated as Jesus Christ's Galore .....must of been them darn clerics and their Church Slavonic
Possibly could of been only the Bogomils and Albanians there ....the only two that were made kopils by the turks for the killing of the Sultan ....why not you serbs ...if you were there also that is .....hmmmmm
with my ice skating capabilities(as Canaris calls it )and with my math it either puts you not there or on the Turkish side of things
oops Brankovic comes to mind here ....hmmmm
btw you serbs were calling him Kopil-ovich just yesterday now i see an urgency to be calling him Obilic I see ahhahhahaha
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:05:20 GMT -5
yea but for you it happened in a very high energy super Tesla religious charge of epic poems written by clerics ... which you put your defeated as Jesus Christ's Galore .....must of been them darn clerics and their Church Slavonic Possibly could of been only the Bogomils and Albanians there ....the only two that were made kopils by the turks for the killing of the Sultan ....why not you serbs ...if you were there also that is .....hmmmmm with my ice skating capabilities(as Canaris calls it )and with my math it either puts you not there or on the Turkish side of things oops Brankovic comes to mind here ....hmmmm btw you serbs were calling him Kopil-ovich just yesterday now i see an urgency to be calling him Obilic I see ahhahhahaha I still don't get your point. Say for instance both Lazar and Obilic are fiction... who cares!!!! ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? the battle happened, do or die... both sides got ravaged and it ended in devastation for both sides. Someone had to lead the Serbs ,, RIGHT??? if not Lazar then, WHO? I personally think Obilic is exagerated (happy ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) )but that doesn't change anything!!! According to the Turks their Sultan died at the hand of a Serbian assassin. It was the Serbs who NAMED this assassin, so it's very possible the name is a fake, BUT the person was very real. Every European Nation glorifies their own battles to the point of fantasy - if you know history you know this. Stop picking on the Serbs we are no different than any other Europeans. Same goes for your hate against the Church, EVERY European nation at one point in time depended on the Church for culture-continuity.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2013 18:31:07 GMT -5
I'm a ice skater
Thank you
yea but your serbian history loves and needs this one more BUT ...there is another Turkish battle that is more important and decisive to Balkan history then the Kosova battle ....just a lil bit more south
who ever the clerics decided I imagine besides being put in place by Dusan the 1/2 Bulgar
why exaggerated ? explain......
name is fake but the person real ....hmmmm sound like fake history of clerics crumbling here
but not bugle blowing Angels rising to the Heavens ....That's clerics talking for you
I don't hate Churches ....I hate ...uh what that word I used before when Church rules a people and writes myth history
well thats where we Albanians maybe failed ....we were athiest/pagans (between non believer and pagans ) more or less durring early Christianizm and never had a long long period of any certain peace to build on
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Post by Shqipni13 on Feb 5, 2013 18:43:27 GMT -5
this imbecile said his primary language was greek and serbian...that's two languages you gimp, mindless twat! he was taken as a young child to serve for the sultan you s**thead, how do you assume his primary language was either greek or serbian? if anything it would be turkish, an albanian, whose father was an albanian prince, lives among albanians, comes back to the fatherland and forges a union of albanian tribes.....how do you c**ts arrive at these conclusions? He only knew how to write in cyrillic and was only heard/witnessed speaking Serbian and Greek. You're last paragraph got the better of yourself - you totally - as always missed the point. Yes he was about Albanian unity, yes he was fighting for Albanian liberty but it wasn't long till all his people forgot about him... and was ressurected during the commie times undert that clown of yours hoxha to stir nationalism - something non-existant since the Ottomans for you people. For Centuries Albanians didn't recognize Skandenbeg as anything - this wasn't till hundreds of years after the Rest of Europe recognized him as a Christian Hero. You ever wonder why? I am not attacking Skandenbeg, quite the opposite you dumbf**k - I am attacking how morons like you interprete him. Communism ressurected Skenderbeg? lolll In High Albania, by Edith Durham, he is mentioned many times on how well revered he was by the people. Well before Hoxha was even born. Where do tarts like you come from? Acting like you are an expert after reading an internet article or two.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:43:48 GMT -5
ummm, no... this is where you fail: You bring up the 1389 myth not realizing the optimal moments that ARE in fact relevant are undisputed and recorded. Your version of this myth only includes Obilic either a) being an Alb or b) non-existant... pick ONE... you keep hoping each side when it's convenient, almost as convenient when Skandenbeg came back into the picture ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ... and what.. the "famous-las supper speech" is also a fake according to you? ok... but that has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING. Serbs still fought that batter against the Turks - both sides getting destroyed. No matter how you play off the Kosovo battle of 1389 as a myth, KOSOVO IS STILL SERBIAN. Who reads poetry for history? Obviously you do, cause everything in your above quote is backwards from reality... again with you atheist-pagan crap... what the hell does that mean? how do YOU draw the line of when a people are atheist or pagan... your people... the Albanian especially needed religion to identify themselves, this is MORE THAN OBVIOUS when looking at the history of your peoples' conversions - switching loyalties over like changing underwear. side note: The Illyrians were fanatics about religion I am actually surprised you didn't know that- I guess that's more ammo for me. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:49:27 GMT -5
He only knew how to write in cyrillic and was only heard/witnessed speaking Serbian and Greek. You're last paragraph got the better of yourself - you totally - as always missed the point. Yes he was about Albanian unity, yes he was fighting for Albanian liberty but it wasn't long till all his people forgot about him... and was ressurected during the commie times undert that clown of yours hoxha to stir nationalism - something non-existant since the Ottomans for you people. For Centuries Albanians didn't recognize Skandenbeg as anything - this wasn't till hundreds of years after the Rest of Europe recognized him as a Christian Hero. You ever wonder why? I am not attacking Skandenbeg, quite the opposite you dumbf**k - I am attacking how morons like you interprete him. Communism ressurected Skenderbeg? lolll In High Albania, by Edith Durham, he is mentioned many times on how well revered he was by the people. Well before Hoxha was even born. Where do tarts like you come from? Acting like you are an expert after reading an internet article or two. Hoxha brainwashed the Albanians to think what people like rex think today. I know more about Skandenbeg than you do and most others' I have conversed with in here - I am actually quite confident that I know more about Albanian history than you do - you don't seem to know much at all, hence all the high-fives and +1's you post after reading something which makes your tummy feel warm ...lol... gtfo! bring adt back!
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2013 18:53:20 GMT -5
I put in that "athiest/pagan" thing up to tease it up a bit ....now relax
* but when I was first used it I was referring to the period of the middle ages like 3rd-15th century . when mono religion came into play and afterwards .....so basically I was trying to say when Christianity came into play Albanians were either non believers(atheist) or still stuck or couldn't let go of paganism
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2013 18:58:22 GMT -5
well of course you are .....all that reading and searching like Indiana Jonesevich looking for holes in our history so you can refute with us ...no difference ......how the hell you think we learned so much about serbian fairy-tales
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 19:04:27 GMT -5
I put in that "athiest/pagan" thing up to tease it up a bit ....now relax * but when I was first used it I was referring to the period of the middle ages like 3rd-15th century . when mono religion came into play and afterwards .....so basically I was trying to say when Christianity came into play Albanians were either non believers(atheist) or still stuck or couldn't let go of paganism I understand what you meant, but unfortunately that's impossible. There was no science back then, how else do you think the Albanians or whatever you were called back then explained existence-life-death? I am sure they weren't monkeys living in trees... they had brains, and wondered right? it was normal for people to search out of their realm for explanations. To use the word "atheist" for [back-then] is wrong. It's not like they followed darwinism. It didn't have to be through traditional-religion - as I said the Illyrians had their-own Gods and were fanatical for our standards and I am not making this up!!! look it up yourself ...you should have already... these are your ancestors I thought!!!!
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2013 19:15:11 GMT -5
ok ok ....I told you I dont have higher education like some of you here or else I would be dangerous
I sipmly used the word athiest as a non believer ....case closed
NOW ......about Obilic ......tell me about your finding of why not ....Did you find out Milo Obili was a Catholic finally
its about fricken time a serb admitted it ....
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Post by Shqipni13 on Feb 5, 2013 21:47:41 GMT -5
Communism ressurected Skenderbeg? lolll In High Albania, by Edith Durham, he is mentioned many times on how well revered he was by the people. Well before Hoxha was even born. Where do tarts like you come from? Acting like you are an expert after reading an internet article or two. Hoxha brainwashed the Albanians to think what people like rex think today. I know more about Skandenbeg than you do and most others' I have conversed with in here - I am actually quite confident that I know more about Albanian history than you do - you don't seem to know much at all, hence all the high-fives and +1's you post after reading something which makes your tummy feel warm ...lol... gtfo! bring adt back! Fuckin egomaniac....lol
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 22:08:20 GMT -5
ok ok ....I told you I dont have higher education like some of you here or else I would be dangerous I sipmly used the word athiest as a non believer ....case closed NOW ......about Obilic ......tell me about your finding of why not ....Did you find out Milo Obili was a Catholic finally its about fricken time a serb admitted it .... I honestly don't know where I stand with Obilic. I tend to think the name was given after the fact but then what's the name of the assassin? This "epic" is not a big deal, it's only meant for theatrics just like any epic true or false, they serve the same purpose. The overall battle is another deal though, skepticism surrounding Obilic has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 6, 2013 6:58:05 GMT -5
Rex, are you for real?? Go see some doctor man.... Branilo is not Serbian but fyl-asso-tri-bali-falo-falos are all illyrian.... You are losing it. See some doctor. (preferably non-albanian, just to be sure)
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 6, 2013 7:02:22 GMT -5
Communism ressurected Skenderbeg? lolll In High Albania, by Edith Durham, he is mentioned many times on how well revered he was by the people. Well before Hoxha was even born. Where do tarts like you come from? Acting like you are an expert after reading an internet article or two. Hoxha brainwashed the Albanians to think what people like rex think today. I know more about Skandenbeg than you do and most others' I have conversed with in here - I am actually quite confident that I know more about Albanian history than you do - you don't seem to know much at all, hence all the high-fives and +1's you post after reading something which makes your tummy feel warm ...lol... gtfo! bring adt back! why do u insist on being such an idiot? that is just factually inaccurate, the flag raised in 1912, 3 decades before communism was istalled, was that of the Kastrioti family, so just that right there proves you don't know shit and simply pluck things out of thin air. yes Scanderbeg was a peripheral figure for a couple of centuries due to many factors, you simply would not encounter knowledge of him from peasants and nomal folk but among the elite i would imagine he was known, mind you, the noble families of albania were all but obliterated after the collapse of the resistance towards the 15'th centuary, muzaka, topiaj, dukagjini, balshaj were all extinguished....they either fled or were persecuted and the rest were subjugated. i heard a prominent albanian historian who has a doctorate in medieval history Pellumb Xhufi, that he has seen the name Skendebe in registers in the 17'th centuary of nobility around the Mat region, people naming their kids after him, and around the northern region his name was always kept alive.......but for most part it has to be said he was a fairly dormant figure, but there as reasons for that, he started to emerge into the wider conciousness into the 18'th centuary, much earlier than communism. whether he was celebrated throughout or forgotten periodically, matters very little, what is important is his symbolism, the fact that he tried to unite albanian tribes and create an albanian entity, but you do not seem to understand that very significance.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 6, 2013 7:05:33 GMT -5
Rex, are you for real?? Go see some doctor man.... Branilo is not Serbian but fyl-asso-tri-bali-falo-falos are all illyrian.... You are losing it. See some doctor. (preferably non-albanian, just to be sure) who gives a shit you hopeless degenerate, its just a fucking name, where i come from people are named stavri and sotir and they have nothing to do with greeks, stupid fuck!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 6, 2013 8:13:11 GMT -5
rat try some of these : click it! you'll make most people feel better.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 6, 2013 8:50:38 GMT -5
Rex, are you for real?? Go see some doctor man.... Branilo is not Serbian but fyl-asso-tri-bali-falo-falos are all illyrian.... You are losing it. See some doctor. (preferably non-albanian, just to be sure) my doctors name is Dr Kotsabanis Goukos he tells me I am fine just to quit smoking
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 6, 2013 9:11:56 GMT -5
Maybe you albanians should stop copying everything Greek including our names... and don't give me that crap that Sotir is a byzantine name... it's a greek word with meaning... stick to what suits you like Rexepi and Xavieri...
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 13:08:25 GMT -5
Hoxha brainwashed the Albanians to think what people like rex think today. I know more about Skandenbeg than you do and most others' I have conversed with in here - I am actually quite confident that I know more about Albanian history than you do - you don't seem to know much at all, hence all the high-fives and +1's you post after reading something which makes your tummy feel warm ...lol... gtfo! bring adt back! why do u insist on being such an idiot? that is just factually inaccurate, the flag raised in 1912, 3 decades before communism was istalled, was that of the Kastrioti family, so just that right there proves you don't know s**t and simply pluck things out of thin air. yes Scanderbeg was a peripheral figure for a couple of centuries due to many factors, you simply would not encounter knowledge of him from peasants and nomal folk but among the elite i would imagine he was known, mind you, the noble families of albania were all but obliterated after the collapse of the resistance towards the 15'th centuary, muzaka, topiaj, dukagjini, balshaj were all extinguished....they either fled or were persecuted and the rest were subjugated. i heard a prominent albanian historian who has a doctorate in medieval history Pellumb Xhufi, that he has seen the name Skendebe in registers in the 17'th centuary of nobility around the Mat region, people naming their kids after him, and around the northern region his name was always kept alive.......but for most part it has to be said he was a fairly dormant figure, but there as reasons for that, he started to emerge into the wider conciousness into the 18'th centuary, much earlier than communism. whether he was celebrated throughout or forgotten periodically, matters very little, what is important is his symbolism, the fact that he tried to unite albanian tribes and create an albanian entity, but you do not seem to understand that very significance. Skandenbeg was used by the communists, but his ressurection was before. He was be honored by Western European by the 15th Century, Albanians took up Skandenbeg as their national icon during the late 1800's. There's a huge gap man, this is when your "national-awakenening" occured coincidentally during the rise of Austria. I am not saying he wasn't recognized after he died, for his deeds and accomplishements of course he was but this was strictly among the Christians, so it was only on a smaller scale - but on a national level he wasn't recognized. Try to understand the situation when the word was out that Skanderbeg was dead, the Christians moreso than the Muslims were devastated this needs to be understood before we go anywhere. I know you're tying to say no one was fundamental, but even so if the Albanians who converted only did so for an easier life, imagine how the Christian Albanians who DIDN'T and refused to convert, felt. You think they were "OK" with that? Don't look at it so basic, religion was a tool as much as an identity during this period. You guys say yourself you were scattered tribes with no unity and "NEEDED" something, back then it was Islam, now it's Skanderbeg. I personally beleive the Christians Albanians were alot more connected with the Serbs than you guys and many of my own give credit for - to the point where there were Albanians saying their Slavic, while identifying solely as Albanian - I also think the majority of the Christian Albanians back then had Slavic ancestry. There's all kinds of combinations one can think of. I think both sides try to hide this because since then (pre-Ottoman), we have a turbulent history, it's easier to come up with reasons to hate each other rather than finding something we can agree on. Now, more than ever.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 6, 2013 14:28:23 GMT -5
nationalities were created by the ottomans ...as Muslim or Christians
as a whole we Albs didn't play that then or now
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