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Post by atdhetar on Feb 8, 2013 19:16:56 GMT -5
pls provide evidence and literature of one single massacre being committed by albanians towards the serbs!
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:22:38 GMT -5
"The conversions have been detrimental to the Albanians in more than one way: during Ottoman rule, they had to serve as mercenaries in the Turkish army. Sent to far away countries, they were decimated in wars or succumbed to climates to which they were not used while the other nations of the Balkans cultivated their land and grew in population." ----HAHAHA the conversions led the albs to "serve as mercenaries" OBVIOUSLY!!! it was their choice. This isn't news to anyone except the Albs. "In the 19th century, their desperate efforts to shake off Ottoman rule were ignored by the West and whereas the other Balkan nations were not merely allowed but also aided to constitute themselves as states, the Albanians, the oldest nation in the Balkans, were denied the right to do so." ----You were Balkan traitors, simple as that. "It is because of their conversions that they lost the greatest part of their territories to neighboring states for Gladstone favored the Christians whom he considered as the allies of the Western Powers whilst he regarded Moslems as inferior; civilization being - according to him - equated with Christianity." ----So now you blame the Albanians for converting, as in it's because of that you lost "all your terriroties", is this a joke? .... The remaining Christian nations in the Balkans were clearely the better people to place your bets on against the Ottomans... stop pretending to be dumb. Why would Western Europe entrust their fate in a people that seemingly without hesitation converted to the religion of the Empire they were against.... ?? "Religion was also taken as a pretext for plans made by neighboring states to transplant to Turkey the Albanians who as a result of peace treatise had remained in the territories ceded by the Great Powers to neighboring states." ----YOu guys placed all your bets on the Ottomans, accepting that they were your future. You were wrong, so here we are now. " F. Konitza, pointed out that the Albanians are fully aware that the conversions are cause of many of their grievances and misfortunes while remaining at the same time perfectly conscious that if they had remained Christians, they would have been absorbed by their neighbors." So if the Albs remained Christian they would have been absorbed by their neighbours? Is this you thinking that, or the author? Because that really shows what significance the Albanians had - nothing-none-ziltch-NADA. For the same token, it also implies how Religion was INDEED used as a tool for the Albanians. So there goes your theory of "not-using" religion. You "used" it more than anybody. Good read rex, I agree with everything - however your hopeful interpretation is totally wrong, I hope I helped.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 8, 2013 19:37:49 GMT -5
you missed plenty of other good tidbits ..
yea you helped with the usual uzi twists
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 21:19:03 GMT -5
Actually, I answered to each paragraph in order to be even more clear. You're the one twisting words to suit a certain argument of-the-moment - then you twist again to back to where you stood before.
Go ahead, break the quotes down like I did and give me your interpretation. It's easy to copy-paste - it's harder to think for yourself.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 10, 2013 0:51:17 GMT -5
You are all wasting your time. The (your) truth is not even close.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 9:29:16 GMT -5
I post this again waiting for any rebuttal from anyone .......
Uz ..bottom line is basically and honestly ...
Go make your serbian Vatican in Serbia - Not in Kosova
otherwise they are seen as provocations
serbian Orthodox movements from the north (Kosova)and greek Orthodox movements from the south (Albania)
is this coincidence ??
NO ..... its a plain and simple provocation against All ALBANIANS in the Balkans we played this game way back many times historically.
down with the provocateur greekserb !
*historically this has happened in the past ..and you can see why one reason for conversion to Islam would of been so easy to consider even maybe Buddhism
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 9:54:00 GMT -5
so Pyrros ...what you say ?
"Σε τούτη την εποχή, σε τούτο τον αιώνα, θέλετε τη φιλία μας, θέλετε την αγάπη; Εμείς είμαστε Αλβανοί κι σείς Έλληνες είστε, σεις την Ελλάδα έχετε κι εμείς την Αλβανία. Σεις έχετε τη γλώσσα σας κι εμείς την εδική μας. Σε τέτοια βάση δύναται να στεριωθεί η φιλία. Μη βάζετε, αδέλφια, αυτί στα λόγια των εχθρών μας, που προσπαθούνε πάντοτε να κάμουν τη θρησκεία μέσο διχόνοιας μισαρής, μέσο ραδιοργίας, όργανο του φανατισμού και της καταστροφής μας. Θέλουν να μας χωρίσουνε για τα συμφέροντά τους".
Οτι οι Ελληνες ειναι γενια δικη μας κι'ειμεστε ξεμακρυσμενα αδερφια,γιατι ειναι κι'αυτοι παιδια των παππουδων μας των Πελασγων.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 11, 2013 10:48:24 GMT -5
^^^ i agree but for totally different reasons...
i explain, basically all vlahs/sarakatsans are the same nation, and they have nothing to do neither with (true) greeks, nor albs (who are albs anyway?). Those sarakatsans/vlahs can become :
- Romans - Greeks - Slavs - Albs
they can become anything because they are nothing in reality.
Now a great portion of todays Greeks (over 60%) and todays albs (i assume over 80%-90%, all that do not descent from Slavs) are vlahs in reality. We are the same people.
Generally speaking, holding together makes a nation stronger, while on the contrary making a nation to adopt fanaticism, the nation becomes weaker.
*BUT* in the case of Greeks and Albs, and taking into account that Greeks (true Greeks), at a certain point in time, WERE INDEED A GREAT NATION, while albs ... never, then holding them together is like holding the cancer close to the healthy organs of the body.
I hope i was clear enough.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 11:19:07 GMT -5
with Vlachs I would disagree with you ....they are simply Latinized/Roman speaking Albanians continued that both stem for Illyrian brotherhood
this is simply YOUR EXCUSE ....besides spiting on yourself ..remember if you spit on yourself you also spit on me bro
only bcs this is where they fall geographically just like us Albanians bro ...do you see ? and bcs of their common religion they simply adapt/assimilate .......simple as that bro
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 11:25:26 GMT -5
you writing this bro is simple proof of that multi - assimilation of vlachs that I keep talking about
I do not mention it to belittle vlach or you bro ...I mention it so we can understand why it easy for you to take other side
-YOU ARE NOT NOTHING .......bro
everything in between is history and survival
-YOU ARE ILLYRIAN .......bro
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 11:37:52 GMT -5
Even beyond and bigger ....
Οτι οι Ελληνες ειναι γενια δικη μας κι'ειμεστε ξεμακρυσμενα αδερφια,γιατι ειναι κι'αυτοι παιδια των παππουδων μας των Πελασγων.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 11, 2013 11:54:14 GMT -5
Survival? The Illyrians did not survive my friend, you have centuries of blank memory as a consciousness - until you finally turned "Albanian". Albanians don't know anything Illyrian besides online clippings of what others have said/assumed - where's the Illyrian tradition, the continuity in your language/names/naming, the culture, the legends/myths/history...who DA FUCK are your Illyrian heroes? lol
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 12:00:26 GMT -5
vlach and Albanains have traditionally and historically lived next to each other and also among each other
and eventually become the buffer between greeks and slavs .....
you know exactly what I am referring to .....and why do you think that is bro ??
thats because they are of the same ancient seed of traditions and blood ...don't allow the language/religion be a barrier
BRO
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 12:08:19 GMT -5
Survival? The Illyrians did not survive my friend, you have centuries of blank memory as a consciousness - until you finally turned "Albanian". Albanians don't know anything Illyrian besides online clippings of what others have said/assumed - where's the Illyrian tradition, the continuity in your language/names/naming, the culture, the legends/myths/history...who DA f**k are your Illyrian heroes? lol go study your Duklja later named Zeta ......which is of/built on the foundation or Illyrian Diocletian who you fool'n but yourself uz leave us Illyrians alone ...and dont ignore my Vatican comments on other posts ....heheheheheh
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 11, 2013 13:04:11 GMT -5
1000 year of blank memory as a consciousness...
ahahahahaha...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 13:06:36 GMT -5
pop goes the weasel ^
you must have a program on your pc that alerts you
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 13:08:14 GMT -5
Uz dont think those fortresses and lil castles had wheels and you rolled em in at year 600ad let alone all those Roman Catholic Churches that slavs had no clue what they were .....
you were squatters on other peoples lands and towns .....as you are squatters of their legends and histories as well
this is a common occurrence among slavs and greeks
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2013 13:21:07 GMT -5
uz you couldn't keep Beograd ....I think historically you have lost and gained Singidun 3-4 times
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 11, 2013 17:24:23 GMT -5
1000 year of blank memory as a consciousness... ahahahahaha... It's like they all fell into a coma at the same time.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 11, 2013 17:38:32 GMT -5
Uz dont think those fortresses and lil castles had wheels and you rolled em in at year 600ad let alone all those Roman Catholic Churches that slavs had no clue what they were ..... you were squatters on other peoples lands and towns .....as you are squatters of their legends and histories as well this is a common occurrence among slavs and greeks Hmmmm squatters............................
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