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Post by rex362 on Oct 4, 2012 11:51:19 GMT -5
What Nationality was Alexander the great ?
The answer is 100% correct but they don't elaborate on what Macedonians were ....and its surely not the language dubbed in at the end of video
Macedonians =combo of Illyrian-Thracian
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 15:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 16:06:14 GMT -5
Very different from these Greeks are the Albanians with whom they have often been confounded. This people called by the Turks Arrnauts and by themselves Shkipeturs Mountaineers are 1,300,000 in number and inhabit the coast of the Adriatic between Servia and the kingdom of Greece. According to Herr von Hahn whose theory is now adopted by most ethnologists the Albanians are descended from the ancient Pelasgi who in Greece assimilated the Hellenic element in Southern Italy the Italian and in Illyria and Albania the Slavonian. They are a proud and martial people and have but little sympathy either with the Slavonians or the Greeks against both of whom they have frequently fought under Turkish generals Indeed they have preserved a sort of semi independence ever since the days of Pyrrhus whom as well as Alexander the Great they claim as their countryman. They were never thoroughly subdued by the Romans and when they were conquered by the Servians a number of them embraced the Roman Catholic faith in order to preserve the distinction between them and their conquerors. The Turks too found in Albania a more determined resistance than in any of the other provinces of the old Servian empire. The Albanian hero Scander beg (Prince Alexander) defeated them in twenty two battles and it was not until after his death in 1467 that the Albanians submitted but only on condition that they should be allowed to keep their arms and be exempt from taxes. To this day the Catholic Albanians or Mirdites who inhabit the northern part of the country enjoy a sort of independence under a hereditary prince and in the south the native pashas rule more like tributary sovereigns than the officials of a central government. The Mahometan Albanians have, it is true been the most devoted defenders of the Porte against the Greeks and have provided the sultans with some of their ablest and most energetic ministers but they never cease to strive afier their own independence. At home says Madame Dora d'lstria, they are troublesome vassals who only think of shaking off the Ottoman yoke, FORTNIGHTLY REVIEW EDITED BY GEORGE HENRY LEWES VOL VI August 15 TO DECEMBER 1866 EUROPEAN TURKEY AND ITS SUBJECT RACES pg615
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Post by bowandarrow on Oct 7, 2012 16:12:34 GMT -5
Eastern Thrace European part of Turkey Greek Bulgarian border Eastern Med.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 16:19:39 GMT -5
Ancient Greece: a political, social, and cultural history By Sarah B. Pomeroy
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 16:24:06 GMT -5
Proof in writing that they were not ancient so called greeks but ILLYRIANS !! This marble chronicle was chiseled by Dredas son of Gordios as memorial of a sorrowful recall" The ancient text of the inscription Ancient writing
Περδίκας Αργαίο[υ] καρανίων ιδίοις Μακέσταις (Μακεδόνες) καθύπερθεν Ιλλυραίας αγχίμολος επ' άκρα Βεδ[ύ]σσας Σαβάζω οφσιμέδοντι έρεχσεν. Μίδου επ' αν αίαν κάσχεθε οθνείους Γρεκέστας επί σκευωρήμασι λεληδορημένους αυθ' ανήρε σκυδμαίνων Βρύγας δε παλαίχθονας αλάσθαι τηλόθ' είε αμφ' αλλοθρόας. Εκτου το πάλλιστον άστυ Αιγάς προσγορεύσας εκάρπο. Κράντωρ δη Βρυγαίας γεραίτερος παλιντραπέλους άλαλκε πλην ζωγρημένων. Το δ' ούν μαρμάρεον μνάματος χάριν Δρέδας Γορδίου Γρεκιστί έχσεσεν ες γραμάτεα λυγρά greek writing Ελληνικά Ο Περδίκας γυιός του Αργαίου επικεφαλής των Μακεστών (Μακεδόνων) μόλις έφθασε στην Ακρόπολη της Εδεσσας προερχόμενος από την άνω Ιλλυρία έκανε θυσία στον ύψιστο (Θεό) Σαβάζ(ι)ον. Στην συνέχεια αφού κυρίευσε την χώραν του Μίδα, τους ξένους Γκρεκούς εξόντωσε αμέσως οργισμένος επειδή βαρύνοντο με ραδιουργίες, ενώ τους γηγενείς Φρύγες άφησε να περιπλανώνται μακρυά, επειδή αυτοί οι δύο λαοί ήσαν ξενόγλωσσοι Από τότε ως γηραιός βασιλέας της Φρυγίας εκμεταλλευόταν την πανάρχαιη αυτή πόλη (Εδεσσα) αφού πρώτα την μετονόμασε σε Αιγαί εμπόδιζοντας τους φυγάδες να επιστρέψουν εκτός από αυτούς που συλλαμβάνοντο αιχμάλωτοι Την μαρμάρινη αυτή επιγραφή χάραξε σε Γκρεκική γλώσσα ο Δρέδας γυιός του Γορδίου σαν χρονικό θλιβερής ανάμνησης. In English translated Perdikas son of Argeos leading his Makestes when approached to Vedissa (Edessa) citadel, headed down from upper Illyria, offered sacrifice to uppermost (god) Savazos. Afterwards when conquered entire Midas country, being outraged with foreign Greeks who were charged for intrigues, extincted them immediatelly while released indigenous Briges to wander away, because both these people spoke different languages. Since then being elder sovereign of Brigea enjoyed the profits of very ancient city renaming it to Aigai while kept reppeling fugitives to return with excemption of captives. This marble chronicle was chiseled in Greek language by Dredas son of Gordios, in memory of a sorrowful remembrance.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 19:25:30 GMT -5
More school ......... Ancient Illyria: an archaeological exploration Von Arthur Evans,Sir Arthur Illyria is the name given to the ancient region of the Balkans on the Adriatic coast from which most historians of the Balkans believe modern Albanians descend. This illuminating work by the celebrated archaeologist, Arthur Evans, examines the lives of the ancient Illyrians and contains many penetrating insights into the region. Drawing on his extensive travels in the area in the 1880s, Ancient Illyria presents for the first time Evans' original analysis of the diverse archaeological sites of the region to construct a full and fascinating history. Never before published as a single volume, this classic work is still the best account and contains the most detailed research into the subject. Fully illustrated and including pictures of some Roman inscriptions which were later destroyed during the Serbian occupation of Kosovo, this invaluable guide to the archaeology and history of ancient Illyria is an essential text for all historians and everyone interested in the Balkans. The Macedonian dialect indeed contained Illyrian words, words like sarissa, the name for a very long pike used by Macedonian soldiers The will of Zeus: a history of Greece from the origins of Hellenic culture ... - Page 327 History - 1962 Roman Civilization: The Republic - Page 327 Naphtali Lewis, Meyer Reinhold - History - 1955 The relation of Macedonian to Greek is uncertain, some scholars regarding it as a Greek dialect, while others consider it closely akin to Illyrian Foundations of language - Page 330 Louis Herbert Gray - Juvenile Nonfiction - 1939 The relation of Macedonian to Greek is uncertain, some scholars regarding it as a Greek dialect, while others consider it closely akin to Illyrian Foundations of language - Page 330 Louis Herbert Gray - Juvenile Nonfiction - 1939 Until about the fifteenth century they were not called Albanians but Illyrians, or even Macedonians. Congressional serial set - Page 14 United States. Government Printing Office - Political Science - 1911
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 20:16:04 GMT -5
ooops
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 20:20:33 GMT -5
here is something UZ would like but thats coming from an angry turk with envy and hate for us ;D ;D ;D Late Ottoman society: the intellectual legacy Από τον/την Elisabeth Özdalga
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 20:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 20:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Oct 7, 2012 21:55:45 GMT -5
Histoire Des Perses D'après Les Auteurs Orientaux Grecs Et Latin" Volume 2, Paris ,1870 page 359 "The Macedonians were NOT Greeks. Neither by race, nor customs, or by characteristics. Their rulers did not have anything Hellenic. Their history was similar to that of the Illyrian, Thracian and Paeonian populations, with whom they bordered, but not with the history of the Hellenic city-states." translate.google.com/#
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 8, 2012 17:26:24 GMT -5
Novi says we are a mish mash of assimilated shkja and chechens. I'll take his word for it Rex. Stop wasting your time with scholarly evidence.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 8, 2012 18:20:05 GMT -5
only his dog pyrros can take his word ....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 8, 2012 21:06:37 GMT -5
....and they are CERTAINLY NOT Shqiptars-Albs.
Shqipni, ofcourse YOU'VE got slavs flowing in your veins, have a freaken look around you....EVEN, have a look at the language you speak!
Guys, its OVAH:
On the other hand, it is hoped that the unfortunate distortions which have marred outstanding progress in Albanian Archaeology will soon be corrected. As new guidebooks are demonstrating, the Albanian culture, as fascinating and varied as any in that quarter of Europe, is an inheritance from several languages, religions and ethnic groups known to have inhabited the region since prehistoric times, among whom were the Illyrians.
John Wilkes The Illyrians Chapter: Prehistoric Illyrians Page: 280 Blackwell Publishers 1992
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 8, 2012 21:09:25 GMT -5
The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians.
Races of Europe
Carleton Stevens Coon
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PS Slavic equates to Serbo/Wendish Slavs. Your version of history is screwed....its OVAH
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Post by rex362 on Oct 9, 2012 14:30:32 GMT -5
ok Novi lets play/Igraj
Illyrian and Thracian you say ..thats says plenty ......whats that tell ya ?
the Latin is a given for sure bcs we were here of course for them Romans ...you were not ...not yet ....whats that tell ya ?
Slavic yea a few words here and there ....and same for turkish ....that is normal one invaded and still invading us and the other invaded and crumbled away
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Post by bowandarrow on Oct 9, 2012 14:33:00 GMT -5
So yeah Rex they're racially Eastern Mediterranean.
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