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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 19, 2012 10:10:10 GMT -5
Accent Alphabet - special sounds Ć,Ä , Љ , Њ Looks Slava Skoplje Capital of medieval Serbia Kings - heroes like Marko Kraljevic and Milos Obilic originating from Makedonia
As a matter of fact all slavic presence south down to modern Thessaly (central Greece) (and the biggest Serbian monument there : the great meteoron) used to be SERBIAN.
Today, one can see original signature of Stefan Dusan in this monastery in central Greece, thank God the greek-vlahs didn't destroy it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 19, 2012 10:11:08 GMT -5
I remember about a Bulgarian tsar (can't remember his name though) in the 12th century who conquered Macedonia claiming to have conquered Serbian lands. Are there other proofs? Serbs apparently came back to Makedonia. Anyway, care to share your source about that tsar?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 14:44:16 GMT -5
There are two different types of slavs in the Balkans, the Serbs and their sub groups, and the Bulgarians and their subgroups. The Serbs inhabit most of modern day Illyria cutting off at Trieste, Novi Sad, Pirot, and Shtrpce. The Bulgarian however inhabit from Dobruja down the danube stopping at Pirot, Golo Brdo in eastern Albania, Eastern Thrace, and still some parts of Greek Macedonia. In terms of language, customs, and most other things that define nationality, the fyromians should be considered a sub group of the Bulgars. It is possible however, that most Bulgars are just Bulgarianized Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 26, 2012 23:56:14 GMT -5
Fyromians are Serbs, same with the Ex-Serbian population of Western Bulgaria.
Knez, i'm not going to go into so much depth, both me and Pyrro know the answer, however, l will share with you something. Gordoservon was an ancient town in Asia Minor named as 'Serbian habitation', this town resulted from the relocation of Serbs in and around the region of the Axios in the 6/7th centuries. Captured Serbs from the Axios were traded off as Slaves to the Arabian peninsula and Iberian peninsula, but primarily they used them for the regions in Asia Minor and todays Syria. Trading and relocating Serbs didn't just happen during the 6th and 7th centuries but all the way up to the 12th century. During the 12th century, captured Serbs from the Axios were relocated off to Nicomedia (Asia Minor).
PS People need to stop confusing themselves because of languages, they will find the answer by historical reasonings!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2012 4:52:43 GMT -5
Fyromians are Serbs, same with the Ex-Serbian population of Western Bulgaria. Knez, i'm not going to go into so much depth, both me and Pyrro know the answer, however, l will share with you something. Gordoservon was an ancient town in Asia Minor named as 'Serbian habitation', this town resulted from the relocation of Serbs in and around the region of the Axios in the 6/7th centuries. Captured Serbs from the Axios were traded off as Slaves to the Arabian peninsula and Iberian peninsula, but primarily they used them for the regions in Asia Minor and todays Syria. Trading and relocating Serbs didn't just happen during the 6th and 7th centuries but all the way up to the 12th century. During the 12th century, captured Serbs from the Axios were relocated off to Nicomedia (Asia Minor). PS People need to stop confusing themselves because of languages, they will find the answer by historical reasonings! i hope some day those prostitute jewish byzantines will pay...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 27, 2012 21:26:23 GMT -5
^ I don't think brate, Knez knows much about Vardar or Fyrom?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 10, 2012 3:13:41 GMT -5
I've been reading wikipedia lately on the proofs that FYROMians are Serbs. There are quite convincing. However Romanians used to call both Serbs and Bulgarians "Serbs" until relatively recently. So maybe all Bulgarians were initially Serbs. Knez, its alittle confusing because before Slovenes/Croats and Serbs, there were Slavic tribes actually inhabiting modern Serbia, Bulgaria and Albania (undifferentiated tribes). When Serbs arrive, by invitation from Byzantines, they settle them in Northern Greece, MOST, not all, were homesick and were about to leave the Empire and head back to central europe. Byzantium found a compromise and settled MOST, not all (some remained in northern greece), to Bosnia/Dalmatia/western serbia/kosovo/north-albania and along the axios river. Now, the Moravljani, for instance, weren't absorbed by the newly settled Serboi, they swayed to the Serbs due to their HATRED of the Bugari and their alien empire because they saw the Serbian tribe as a RELATED SLAVIC MASS who spoke the same related language and had the same culture, they willingly, like most of the western bulgars (shopi) wanted to be Serbianised. The Ex-Serbs of western bulgaria used to go on pilgramage to holy Serbian shrines, in Kosovo and North Greece and pay tribute to serb kings and hero's.....they knew nothing of Bulgarian holy sites!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 10, 2012 7:22:25 GMT -5
I've been reading wikipedia lately on the proofs that FYROMians are Serbs. There are quite convincing. However Romanians used to call both Serbs and Bulgarians "Serbs" until relatively recently. So maybe all Bulgarians were initially Serbs. Knez, its alittle confusing because before Slovenes/Croats and Serbs, there were Slavic tribes actually inhabiting modern Serbia, Bulgaria and Albania (undifferentiated tribes). When Serbs arrive, by invitation from Byzantines, they settle them in Northern Greece, MOST, not all, were homesick and were about to leave the Empire and head back to central europe. Byzantium found a compromise and settled MOST, not all (some remained in northern greece), to Bosnia/Dalmatia/western serbia/kosovo/north-albania and along the axios river. Now, the Moravljani, for instance, weren't absorbed by the newly settled Serboi, they swayed to the Serbs due to their HATRED of the Bugari and their alien empire because they saw the Serbian tribe as a RELATED SLAVIC MASS who spoke the same related language and had the same culture, they willingly, like most of the western bulgars (shopi) wanted to be Serbianised. The Ex-Serbs of western bulgaria used to go on pilgramage to holy Serbian shrines, in Kosovo and North Greece and pay tribute to serb kings and hero's.....they knew nothing of Bulgarian holy sites! bro, just two points : - 100% Bulgarian version has been overplayed to death (like the excerpt Rex posted by those ULTRA IDIOTIC Greeks who claimed Jovan Vladimir as Bulgarian). *BUT* There were a lot of connections, (and family connections) between Serb nobbles and Bulgarian nobbles. Daughter of Simeon got married to Jovan vladimir. Unfortunately they had no children. Simeon was a great ruler. If only he and Serbs could form a slavic alliance, they could crush the byzantine snakes, and then form a confederation between Serbs/Bulgars and TRUE GREEKS. Those snakes from istanbul tried to kill anything in the balkans. - Let us not forget that Slavic tribes did not settle only in makedonia. ONE OF THE OLDEST SLAVIC CHRONICLES (Chronicle of Monemvasia) deals with the era between 500 AD-> 900 AD in SOUTH GREECE... Loads of Slav tribes there brate. The most famous and warlike the : Milinci and the Jezerci.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 10, 2012 22:06:37 GMT -5
^ Brate your right, but the initial anti-slav element (the leading Bulgarian element- turkic) only became more pro-slav during samuils tenure.
What l was telling Knez above brate was the instance of Serbs (late 6th to early 7th cent), not the previous arrived related undifferentiated slavs like Milinci, Jererci, Dragovichi, Vojnichi, Branisevichi, who arrive in early 6th century, some speculate an even earlier arrival 3 or 4th cent because they were a large mass of people inside Byzantium.
The Slavs had a huge impact on Byzantium, just as the Germanics in West Roman Empire. The Slavs were not unknown in Byzantium, as they did contribute in religion, military, politics and other authority....even Justinians military commanders were made up of those undifferentiated slavs, i.e, dobrogost? There are even historians (speculate) who believe Justinian himself may have been of Slav decent?
PS In the case of Shqiptarian-Albs, they were unknown to the Byzantines til 1041AD (mid 11th century)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 11, 2012 3:53:54 GMT -5
^ Brate your right, but the initial anti-slav element (the leading Bulgarian element- turkic) only became more pro-slav during samuils tenure. What l was telling Knez above brate was the instance of Serbs (late 6th to early 7th cent), not the previous arrived related undifferentiated slavs like Milinci, Jererci, Dragovichi, Vojnichi, Branisevichi, who arrive in early 6th century, some speculate an even earlier arrival 3 or 4th cent because they were a large mass of people inside Byzantium. The Slavs had a huge impact on Byzantium, just as the Germanics in West Roman Empire. The Slavs were not unknown in Byzantium, as they did contribute in religion, military, politics and other authority....even Justinians military commanders were made up of those undifferentiated slavs, i.e, dobrogost? There are even historians (speculate) who believe Justinian himself may have been of Slav decent? PS In the case of Shqiptarian-Albs, they were unknown to the Byzantines til 1041AD (mid 11th century) as you say down there in Oz : fokking roight!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 11, 2012 21:38:40 GMT -5
^ lol Hvala
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Post by rex362 on Dec 12, 2012 14:08:31 GMT -5
no , just serb historians ...they even believe Constantine was slav ahahhahaahaha that would be an insult to history en mass and would deserve another 78 days of bombing runs all hyped up over a soon to be movie
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 13, 2012 5:48:59 GMT -5
^ We Serbs arn't like your Ismail Kadare or all these other intergalatic illyro-albanian wet dreams.
Justianian, a slav, is speculation, but Albanians take speculation as 100%.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 18, 2012 11:35:39 GMT -5
no , just serb historians ...they even believe Constantine was slav ahahhahaahaha that would be an insult to history en mass and would deserve another 78 days of bombing runs all hyped up over a soon to be movie LMAO, if this deserves bombing, then all the world should start producing depleting Uranium, and in 200 years, the amount should be sufficient to bomb albania, and STILL there should be more than that!!! HA HA But Albs have a chance, still.... Albs will simply not exist in 200 years from now, so this is a relief . LMAO
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 18, 2012 11:37:20 GMT -5
^ We Serbs arn't like your Ismail Kadare or all these other intergalatic illyro-albanian wet dreams. Justianian, a slav, is speculation, but Albanians take speculation as 100%. their logic is ridiculous.... The idiotic ridiculous albanian logic was best represented by Rex in the forum about Jovan Vladimir. Their value is that they have no shame. If they had the slightest element of shame they should have committed suicide massively years ago.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Dec 19, 2012 9:43:24 GMT -5
^ We Serbs arn't like your Ismail Kadare or all these other intergalatic illyro-albanian wet dreams. Justianian, a slav, is speculation, but Albanians take speculation as 100%. What do you know about Ismail Kadare you feminine bitch?
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Post by sokola on Dec 19, 2012 21:34:35 GMT -5
No proof ! We are Bulgarians ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 20, 2012 14:30:23 GMT -5
No proof ! We are Bulgarians ;D yes!!! all 100 of you!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 20, 2012 22:46:11 GMT -5
^ LMAO
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 20, 2012 22:48:10 GMT -5
^ We Serbs arn't like your Ismail Kadare or all these other intergalatic illyro-albanian wet dreams. Justianian, a slav, is speculation, but Albanians take speculation as 100%. What do you know about Ismail Kadare you feminine bitch? You've come down from the Kerkleka to beat your chest, its time to go back up, silverback
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