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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 22, 2013 0:45:40 GMT -5
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 22, 2013 5:19:09 GMT -5
is your life that empty?
what a miserable cunt
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:46:13 GMT -5
Albanian nationalismis a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismThere was no nationalism or common consciousness prior to that.Continued... Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945–1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian. During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians. .... Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismAs you can see there is no such thing as real-albanian nationalism... only the POSSIBLE connection to the Illyrians... that is all.A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks.again... you can see the motive. It was never about ancestrial understandings but about territorial claims - which in effect spits in the face of all those "they claim" to be their ancestors... [backwards logic at it's finest].MOVING ON.... In Communist Albania, an Illyrian origin of the Albanians (without denying Pelasgian roots a theory which has been revitalized today) continued to play a significant role in Albanian nationalism, resulting in a revival of given names suppposedly of "Illyrian" origin, at the expense of given names associated with Christianity. At first, Albanian nationalist writers opted for the Pelasgians as the forefathers of the Albanians, but as this form of nationalism flourished in communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the Pelasgians became a secondary element to the Illyrian theory of Albanian origins, which could claim some support in scholarship. .. SO as Kanaris pointed out - it all depends on what side of the bed they awoke from, and what position was more convenient to hold at the time. Playing hop-skotch.Under the regime of Enver Hoxha, an autochthonous ethnogenesis was promoted and physical anthropologists tried to demonstrate that Albanians were different from any other Indo-European populations, a theory now disproved. Look how far and well Hoxha went to sway you people... I am amazed.... and more.... Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day. The Pelasgian theory especially has been revitalized today. Everyone knows (except albanians) that it was Hoxha who REVITALIZED these theories, in which many are continued to be instilled in your little brainwashed heads today.The supposed "Illyrian" names that the communist regime generated continue to be used today and to be considered of Illyrian origin. The museum in the capital, Tirana, has a bust Pyrrhus of Epirus (an ancient Greek) next to the bust of Teuta (an Illyrian), and under that of Scanderbeg, a medieval Albanian. ^ this is nation-making in effect.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:48:04 GMT -5
Notice how many times words like "revived", "revival" and "re-introduced" are being used.
What's there to revive if this is what you are and always were?
(side point: where was albanian nationalism during the Ottoman times? ... this seems to be the period where it would be most needed)
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Post by Duke John on Feb 24, 2013 19:56:24 GMT -5
. Attachments:
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Post by Duke John on Feb 24, 2013 20:02:24 GMT -5
Albanian nationalismis a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismThere was no nationalism or common consciousness prior to that.Continued... Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945–1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian. During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians. .... Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismAs you can see there is no such thing as real-albanian nationalism... only the POSSIBLE connection to the Illyrians... that is all.A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks.again... you can see the motive. It was never about ancestrial understandings but about territorial claims - which in effect spits in the face of all those "they claim" to be their ancestors... [backwards logic at it's finest].MOVING ON.... In Communist Albania, an Illyrian origin of the Albanians (without denying Pelasgian roots a theory which has been revitalized today) continued to play a significant role in Albanian nationalism, resulting in a revival of given names suppposedly of "Illyrian" origin, at the expense of given names associated with Christianity. At first, Albanian nationalist writers opted for the Pelasgians as the forefathers of the Albanians, but as this form of nationalism flourished in communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the Pelasgians became a secondary element to the Illyrian theory of Albanian origins, which could claim some support in scholarship. .. SO as Kanaris pointed out - it all depends on what side of the bed they awoke from, and what position was more convenient to hold at the time. Playing hop-skotch.Under the regime of Enver Hoxha, an autochthonous ethnogenesis was promoted and physical anthropologists tried to demonstrate that Albanians were different from any other Indo-European populations, a theory now disproved. Look how far and well Hoxha went to sway you people... I am amazed.... and more.... Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day. The Pelasgian theory especially has been revitalized today. Everyone knows (except albanians) that it was Hoxha who REVITALIZED these theories, in which many are continued to be instilled in your little brainwashed heads today.The supposed "Illyrian" names that the communist regime generated continue to be used today and to be considered of Illyrian origin. The museum in the capital, Tirana, has a bust Pyrrhus of Epirus (an ancient Greek) next to the bust of Teuta (an Illyrian), and under that of Scanderbeg, a medieval Albanian. ^ this is nation-making in effect. All of this have no weight, the fact is that albanians have every right to name their kids with illyrian names, the key problem for you, since you seem to have problem with it is, disprove the fact that ancestors of albanians are illyrians, till then everything that you post here have no value.
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 25, 2013 4:27:27 GMT -5
brainless tit,
revive means resurrecting smth that was there, its not inventing, you just owned yourself, tsk tsk tsk these fool ass kids.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 17:22:23 GMT -5
Albanian nationalismis a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismThere was no nationalism or common consciousness prior to that.Continued... Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945–1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian. During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians. .... Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismAs you can see there is no such thing as real-albanian nationalism... only the POSSIBLE connection to the Illyrians... that is all.A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks.again... you can see the motive. It was never about ancestrial understandings but about territorial claims - which in effect spits in the face of all those "they claim" to be their ancestors... [backwards logic at it's finest].MOVING ON.... In Communist Albania, an Illyrian origin of the Albanians (without denying Pelasgian roots a theory which has been revitalized today) continued to play a significant role in Albanian nationalism, resulting in a revival of given names suppposedly of "Illyrian" origin, at the expense of given names associated with Christianity. At first, Albanian nationalist writers opted for the Pelasgians as the forefathers of the Albanians, but as this form of nationalism flourished in communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the Pelasgians became a secondary element to the Illyrian theory of Albanian origins, which could claim some support in scholarship. .. SO as Kanaris pointed out - it all depends on what side of the bed they awoke from, and what position was more convenient to hold at the time. Playing hop-skotch.Under the regime of Enver Hoxha, an autochthonous ethnogenesis was promoted and physical anthropologists tried to demonstrate that Albanians were different from any other Indo-European populations, a theory now disproved. Look how far and well Hoxha went to sway you people... I am amazed.... and more.... Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day. The Pelasgian theory especially has been revitalized today. Everyone knows (except albanians) that it was Hoxha who REVITALIZED these theories, in which many are continued to be instilled in your little brainwashed heads today.The supposed "Illyrian" names that the communist regime generated continue to be used today and to be considered of Illyrian origin. The museum in the capital, Tirana, has a bust Pyrrhus of Epirus (an ancient Greek) next to the bust of Teuta (an Illyrian), and under that of Scanderbeg, a medieval Albanian. ^ this is nation-making in effect. All of this have no weight, the fact is that albanians have every right to name their kids with illyrian names, the key problem for you, since you seem to have problem with it is, disprove the fact that ancestors of albanians are illyrians, till then everything that you post here have no value. You're getting emotional. I don't care what albanians name their kids, THE POINT it was never "albanian tradition" to name their kids by Illyrian names prior to the communists.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 17:32:43 GMT -5
brainless tit, revive means resurrecting smth that was there, its not inventing, you just owned yourself, tsk tsk tsk these fool ass kids. Why would it need to be ressurected or revived? You were living as tribes back then, no-one ruler over you was oppressing your history and identity. This is what I mean by National-amnesia figuretively.
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 26, 2013 6:14:02 GMT -5
there were no nations back then moron, no institutions to impart knowledge or preserve identity, people were trying to survive, it was the same shit everywhere else, the idea of nations only emerged in the 18'th centuary onwards...but that's neither here nor there,
the point is that resurrection implies continuity, so you are admitting that we are the descendends of the natives.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 11:27:13 GMT -5
there were no nations back then moron, no institutions to impart knowledge or preserve identity, people were trying to survive, it was the same s**t everywhere else, the idea of nations only emerged in the 18'th centuary onwards...but that's neither here nor there,
the point is that resurrection implies continuity, so you are admitting that we are the descendends of the natives. What institutions did the Illyrians have to help preserve their continuation? National memory is different. We can analyze through language, naming, myths/culture, music and poetry.... nothing Illyrian. It wasn't until the communists when Albanians were beginning to name their children with Illyrian names, prior to that it was Muslim names.... and before that it was Slavic names.
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 26, 2013 11:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 11:43:49 GMT -5
You are probably the only legitimate Albanian in the forum - I don't mean to bring in religion but it's most likely that your family was christian from the beginning and remained so. This is what Skanderbeg was fighting for. The others are just Turks.
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 26, 2013 12:02:23 GMT -5
you sir, are a complete moron!
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 26, 2013 13:11:37 GMT -5
In Albania, when a person is called a moron by more than three poeple he starts to get worried about himself. Atdhetar is like the 10 th person to call professional a moron (more than one time). S. P. L. A. S. H.
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 26, 2013 15:01:42 GMT -5
Mario likes to repeat himself,he's insane he's doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
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Post by dza on Sept 20, 2013 15:09:03 GMT -5
People, be nice to each other. I was searching something here and then i saw this little pointless virtual war. What is the point? Are you all so detached from your mother countries that you feel doing the right thing by waging virtual bitchfight wars?
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 5, 2014 21:44:55 GMT -5
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rex362
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Pellazg
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Post by rex362 on Mar 8, 2014 12:12:42 GMT -5
this must be your anniversary post for this thread ......wtf its the srbs loving the United Arab Emirates , Tunisia and Indonesia ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
wazzup widat
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Post by kapedan on Mar 8, 2014 22:26:12 GMT -5
Balkaneros, you serbs think you know what Great Albania means, but in reality you do not. And that is a weakness of yours because everytime you thought you have known us, all the times you have failed because in reality you did not know us better than we knew you.
Anyhow, there are three terms: Great Albania, Natural Albania, and Ethnic Albania. They are all different terms and each of them represents something unique. They evolve around the same concept, but technically they belong to different schools of thought. They all have the name Albania in them, but each of them is unique and has a different objective.
That's enough lecturing for now.
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