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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 10, 2013 10:18:26 GMT -5
Barely thousands if that, not hundreds of thousands. And another people that play an Asian instrument while screaming at the top of their lungs are the "Serbs" of Montenegro. The difference between culture and monuments is why Kosovo became (or re-became) Alb.
Kosovo was never Albanian, this seems to be the point of the thread. Just open your eyes for a moment and stop pretending to know Balkan history cause one fundamental aspects of what "occurred" is the systematic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo throughout time. The albanians owe it all to Tito, in fact he's done more for the albs than any modern day alb himself. "Perhaps one of the most significant examples of Tito's ethnic manipulation was the political and territorial weakening of Serbs in Kosovo, their ancient cultural heartland. After tens of thousands of Kosovo Serbs were driven out during WWII and Albanian families moved in to take over Serbian homes and property, Tito intensified the problem by refusing to allow Serbs to return and reclaim their homes."
::: Serbian-Albanian relations were likewise seriously affected by World War II. Albania was another state neighboring Yugoslavia that was allied with Hitler. Italy's fascists forces moved in to help Albania occupy Serbia's southern province. Although Kosovo was populated by a Serbian majority prior to World War II, after the Albanian occupation of Kosovo from 1941 to 1945, up to 200,000 Kosovo Serbs were driven out, while Albanian families moved into Serbian homes and property.
-War of Words: Washington Tackles the Yugoslav Conflict This was no secret during the time everybody knew about this throughout Yugoslavia, you were always seen as squatters in Kosovo.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 10, 2013 10:18:51 GMT -5
again ....one more time just one note .... "all of them Albanized Serbs "
does not make sense whatsoever .....bcs historicly Albanian never assimilated nobody .... but slavs have assimilated Albanians and greeks also *Italians have incorporated them ....they still speak and know they are culturally Albanian and freely at that with no xenophobia * same with Turkey also ..... his article is saying serbians that assimilated into Albanians ..... no such thing ....its Albanians/Illyrians assimilated into serbian
THE COLONIZER -INVADERS ALWAYS ASSIMILATE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
now continue .....
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 10, 2013 10:32:05 GMT -5
Keep screaming rex, facts are still louder.
Tell me, is Mrzic an Albanan name, or how about Kozic? lol f'kn moron
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 10, 2013 13:24:49 GMT -5
again ....one more time just one note .... "all of them Albanized Serbs "
does not make sense whatsoever .....bcs historicly Albanian never assimilated nobody .... but slavs have assimilated Albanians and greeks also *Italians have incorporated them ....they still speak and know they are culturally Albanian and freely at that with no xenophobia * same with Turkey also ..... his article is saying serbians that assimilated into Albanians ..... no such thing ....its Albanians/Illyrians assimilated into serbian
THE COLONIZER -INVADERS ALWAYS ASSIMILATE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
now continue .....
By saying "no such thing" you proving more that albs never had influence, we're actually giving the albies more credit than that. Albanisation (or Albanianisation) is the linguistic or cultural assimilation to the Albanian language and Albanian culture.The concept is most commonly applied to Kosovo. During censuses in the former Yugoslavia, many Roma were registered as Albanian, as they identified with Muslim Albanian culture as opposed to the Christian Serbian culture. Albanisation has also occurred with Torbashis, a Muslim Slavic minority in the Republic of Macedonia, and the Gorani people in southern Kosovo, who often have Albanised surnames. At the end of the 19th century, writer Branislav Nušić claimed that the Serb poturice (converts to Islam) of Orahovac began speaking Albanian and marrying Albanian women. Similar claims were put forward by Jovan Hadži Vasiljević (l. 1866-1948), who claimed that when he visited Orahovac in World War I, he could not distinguish Orthodox from Islamicized and Albanized Serbs. According to him they spoke Serbian, wore the same costumes, but claimed Serbian, Albanian or Turk ethnicity. The Albanian starosedeoci (old families) were Slavophone; they did not speak Albanian but a Slavic dialect (naš govor, Our language) at home.In the 1921 census, the majority of Muslim Albanians of Orahovac were registered under the category "Serbs and Croats".Mark Krasniqi, the Kosovo Albanian ethnographer, recalled in 1957: "During my own research, some of them told me that their tongue is similar to Macedonian rather than Serbian ( it is clear that they want to dissociate themselves from everything Serbian. It is likely they are the last remnants of what is now known in Serbian sources as 'Arnautaši', Islamicised and half-way Albanianised Slavs." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanisation
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 10, 2013 14:05:06 GMT -5
History of Serbia By Harold W. V. Temperley (1917) THIS book is not only a history of Serbia and Montenegro, but is also a study of the historical development of the whole of the Jugo-Slav peoples. It is very instructive, and is written in a singularly restrained style when one considers the battles, invasions, revolts, and oppressions it deals with, for, in the author's phrase, the story of the Jugo-Slavs is 'bloody beyond ordinary bloodiness.' The Jugo-Slavs early became split up into two great sections, of which the Croats and Dalmatians adopted the Church of Rome, the Latin alphabet, and in part, Western culture as far as they were permitted by their German oppressors ; whereas the Serbians and Montenegrins acknowledged the Greek rite, and so, unfortunately for themselves, were ecclesiastically subordinate to the Byzantine Empire, and on its fall were absolutely cut off from the West by the Turkish Conquest. But the old kingdom of Serbia, in spite of its constant wars with Bulgarians, Hungarians, and Byzantines, had a great history, as we see here, and the spirit of nationality has always been strong, and, we have reason to think, will continue among the suffering people. 'Disaster,' says the writer, 'has sometimes created and has always intensified national feeling in Serbia.' The period of the Serbian zenith was from about 1190 to 1400. Stephen Dushan (1321-55), their greatest ruler, aimed at the Imperial throne of the East when cut off by death, and his death was followed by a gradual decline of Serbian power to a state of weakness, which allowed the Turkish invaders to conquer in 1389 at the battle of Kossovo, 'The Field of Blackbirds,' still sung in many sad ballads as the end of a great period of freedom.The rest of the history deals with Turkish misrule and oppression, which was inaugurated at once by the * tribute of children,' and the gradual acquisition of independence by Serbia and the fiery battles for freedom in Montenegro under the chiefs and vladikas. It recounts the painful feud in Serbia between the two chief families, the Karageorgevitch and the Obrenovitch, which did not end until the extinction of the latter worthless dynasty in 1903 by the brutal murder of King Alexander and Queen Draga, a murder which made way for the present king, of the rival family, and which was not greatly disapproved of by the tumultuous subjects of the Serbian Crown. It is sad to think that the hard-won Serbian and Montenegrin independence is again under a hateful eclipse, but if history teaches anything it shows a phoenix-like power of resurrection among the Slav peoples.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 18:33:33 GMT -5
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Post by plisbardhi on Mar 13, 2013 16:54:33 GMT -5
Albs are seen by Serbs as squatters huh? Much like how Serbs are seen in Croatia and Bosnia?
A monastery is much more likely to be sacked by Albs if there is a Serb guardian as opposed to a formidable fellow Alb clansman doing the job. There's no doubt about that and I'm sure the record reflects this (there where indeed actual Serb guardians of certian churches also). Nonetheless many Alb guardians fought to the death protecting those churches/monasteries. In those days when an Alb gave you his besa that you would be under his protection you could count on it. It was a perfect job since a monastery would pay the Alb guardian and the Alb would do what he does best, stand there and collect and fight when needed.
Its false when you say that the Alb guardians were ex-Serbs. Certainly not in the case of the guardians of the Patriachate of Pec who where the members of the Nikci family from Rugova of the Kelmendi clan. And its logical that the position would be passed down from father to son as you wouldn't expect anything else from a non-democratic, patriarchal, clansman. Any good thing is kept in the family.
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Post by plisbardhi on Mar 13, 2013 17:25:51 GMT -5
As for your claim that they weren't paid, there is a case of one vojvoda being paid two golden liras a month for his protection. And I searched for the names Koziqi an Merziqi which would be the Albanian equivalents to Kozic and Mrzic and couldn't find anything. What is your source of there being Albs with these names or is this a bogus claim?
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 10, 2018 14:13:22 GMT -5
"The once important Serbian influence in Albania has left few vestiges, other than Slavic place names, and the presence of a few islands of Moslem Serb speakers in the mountains, as in the Gora district of Luma".
Races of Europe
Carleton Stevens Coon
"The bourgeois science has always tried to deny the historic, ethnic and language links between Albanians and the Slavs. We won't fall into this trap. There's no reason to deny that there is Slavic blood running in our veins, and we are proud of it."
After 1960 all this Slavic blood dried out, obviously.
Ardian Vehbiu
Albanian dissident
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 11, 2018 23:16:39 GMT -5
And another people that play an Asian instrument while screaming at the top of their lungs are the "Serbs" of Montenegro.
Why does everybody keep saying the Gusle is asian? It is an ancient slavic instrument.
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 11, 2018 23:53:44 GMT -5
problem with most far right wing Serbs and Slavs , like this UZ/Balkaneros/Crawford thingy is that they try to mimic western/northern europeans.
THE TRUE try to mimic the FALSE.
THIS IS THE BEST achievement of the saxanic west.
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 12, 2018 0:03:23 GMT -5
problem with most far right wing Serbs and Slavs , like this UZ/Balkaneros/Crawford thingy is that they try to mimic western/northern europeans.
THE TRUE try to mimic the FALSE.
THIS IS THE BEST achievement of the saxanic west.
milosevic was a good person, fought for unification of south slavs.
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