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Post by kartadolofonos on May 22, 2013 17:28:16 GMT -5
that's all we needed ? why should take a look at the archives ? nothing will change !! many words is poverty ... a part of modern day albanians with a big hatred for greece and the greek people and make alliance with the turks can't become friends or fraternize with the hellenes ... to rewrite history, to fake the history it doesnt help ? the point is that the present situation does not change,forget the past, greco-albanian state live in the present ! after the ottomans occupation albania and grece established his own states and by now we are two different nations ..two independent countries but we are neighbours.
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Post by kartadolofonos on May 22, 2013 18:07:47 GMT -5
" «αρβανίτες και ελληνες δεν είναι παρά μόνο ένας λαός που μισεί κάθε ξένο»." " «arvanites & greeks are only one nation who hate all foreigners»."
in the past coexists greeks and arvanites peacefully in greek and albanian lands, from moria and hydra as in dropoli and gjirokastra
the goal was to established an greco-arvanito state
ali pasha wanted to create and albaniangreek state only greek as the national language ...
after the balkan war's .. yes greece's wishes was an phillhellenic albania but the powers have established an antigreekalbania to reduce the greek borders and so greece cannot to take control of trade in the adriatic sea.
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Post by kapedan on May 22, 2013 19:59:30 GMT -5
Welcome Arber historians in the same way Greek historians are welcomed in the lands of Arberia.
OPEN THE ARCHIVES!
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Post by kartadolofonos on May 25, 2013 21:25:31 GMT -5
Welcome Arber historians in the same way Greek historians are welcomed in the lands of Arberia. OPEN THE ARCHIVES! illyria.proboards.com/thread/32123Of cource they spoke Arvanitika, a dialect close to the Tosks but they ethnic belief always was that they belong to the Greek nation and that is the reason that they are not any ethnic groups of Arbanites in Greece or Italia or someone else having Albanian sence of origin but only Greek!! Even the Arbanites of south Italia have they sence of the old Greek past as the other old population of Kalavria in south Italy who are catholics but they know that their roots where from the ancient and byzantines Greek!! So, if the Arbanites were or felt Albanians we would saw that untill now in so many centuries!!!Finally even know the Tosks always feeling close to Greece because of the religion and a lot of common traditional things!!! So the Arbanites have all ready answer, centuries ago, with their life and their actions and their blood where they belong !!!!!
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Post by kapedan on Jun 9, 2013 10:50:33 GMT -5
Welcome Arber historians in the same way Greek historians are welcomed in the lands of Arberia. OPEN THE ARCHIVES! illyria.proboards.com/thread/32123Of cource they spoke Arvanitika, a dialect close to the Tosks but they ethnic belief always was that they belong to the Greek nation and that is the reason that they are not any ethnic groups of Arbanites in Greece or Italia or someone else having Albanian sence of origin but only Greek!! Even the Arbanites of south Italia have they sence of the old Greek past as the other old population of Kalavria in south Italy who are catholics but they know that their roots where from the ancient and byzantines Greek!! So, if the Arbanites were or felt Albanians we would saw that untill now in so many centuries!!!Finally even know the Tosks always feeling close to Greece because of the religion and a lot of common traditional things!!! So the Arbanites have all ready answer, centuries ago, with their life and their actions and their blood where they belong !!!!! Free Arbanites!
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Post by Balkaneros on Jun 9, 2013 17:48:54 GMT -5
Serbian Military Cemetary in Thessaloniki. Bust of Eleftherios Venizelos in Belgrade. Rigas Feraios Belgrade Serbian Mausoleum at Vido island near Corfu. Serbs Corfu1916-1918. Several distinguished Serbs had been accepted as members (“brothers”) in the Filiki Eteria ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filiki_Eteria ), the secret organization that prepared the Greek Revolution, although it was officially enlisting only ethnic Greeks. Symbolic of the Greek-Serbian brotherhood was the traditional ritual brotherhood between Giorgakis Olympios and the Serb revolutionary leader Hajduk Velko Petrovic in the ranks of the Eteria. Olympios had fought with Velko in Serbia and was married to the widow of hajduk Veljko Petrović (Trikoupis, p. 24).On the other hand, many eminent Greeks in Wallachia and Russia, politicians, merchants etc. assisted the Serbian Revolution in many ways. For example, Constantine Ypsilantis, father of the Eteria leader Alexandros Ypsilantis, had, as voivode of Wallachia, helped the revolutionaries of Karađorđe, while Ioannis Kapodistrias as Russian Minister of External Affairs offered diplomatic support to the Serbian cause in international meetings like the Congress of Vienna.The first Serbian presence in the Greek Revolution occurred during the revolt's outbreak in Wallachia (1821). The political and military leader of the revolution, Alexandros Ypsilantis, apart from Greeks and other ethnicities, had a number of Serbian fighters under his command, known collectively as “Arvanites”.[3] Some of the notable “Arvanites” were: Captains Milenko Stoikovic, Petar Dobrniak, Chatzi Prontan Gregorievic, Mlanten Milovanovic and Archimandrite Servos,[4] head of 300 Greeks and Serbians, who was killed in the battle. All the above were the leaders of mixed units of Greeks and Serbians Other Serbian leaders who participated in the Revolution of 1821 were:Chatzi Christos Dagobic (Χατζή Χρήστος Ντάγκοβιτς). In 1821 he defected from the Ottoman army and joined the forces of Theodoros Kolokotronis during the siege of Tripolitsa. He ascended up to the rank of General in the Greek revolutionary army. He was taken as prisoner by the Egyptians and was liberated in 1828. He was hellenized and is also known with the surname “Voulgaris” (“Bulgarian”).George Papazoglou (Γεώργιος Παπάζογλου). Cavalry officer under Chatzi Christos, killed in the battle. Constantin Nemania. He was signing as “Prince of Serbia” and was using a seal with the double-headed eagle. Having fallen in great poverty he was granted a small financial assistance and “five breads per day” by the Greek Revolutionary Government for some time. He left from Greece to Russia in 1823.
Other Serbs encountered in the history of the revolution are Thomas Servos, Lambros Servos, Lambros Christou Servos and Thanassis Servos in Messolongi, Giovanis Servos (cavalry sergeant under Chatzi Christos), Kotsos (Constantine) Servos et al.Some fighters from Montenegro were known as “Mavrovouniotis” (Greek for “Montenegrin”), such as Joannos Slavanos Mavrovouniotis, Joannos Montenegrinos (participated in the siege of Tripolitsa), Gregory Jurovic Mavrovouniotis and Vasos Mavrovouniotis from Belopavlic. The latter came from Smyrna to Greece in 1820 and became the leader of*group of Montenegrins, many of them being his brothers and relatives.[6] A notable Montenegrin philhellene was General De Wintz, who had also fought under Napoleon. He attempted to assemble a unit of 2,000 European volunteers or mercenaries to fight in Greece and Cyprus but he did not manage to get any financial assistance. Another group of 25 Serbs under the leadership of the Greek George Kontopoulos is known for their participation in the sieges of Messolonghi.At the beginning of the revolution the Serbian units were ethnically homogeneous, but gradually, a mutual trust and a sense of brotherhood with the Greeks was developed. Thus, after 1823 Greeks enlisted in Serbian units and vice versa. Most of these troops were irregulars, with the exception of a corps of 250 Greeks and Serbs led by the Serbian Stefanos or Stefos Nivitsa, part of a tactical army under the commandment of the French philhellene Charles Nicolas Fabvier (Loukatos, pp 105–107).After 1824 many Serbs ascended the hierarchy of the Greek army, such as the generals Chatzi Christos Dagovic and Vasos Mavrovouniotis, the battalion commanders (chiliarchs) Stefos and Anastasi Dmitrevic, vice-chiliarch Jovo Mavrovouniotis, Captains Ioannis and Nikolaos Radovic from Montenegro and the Serbians Nikolzo, Kotzo, Helias, Spyros, Sterios Pitolites (from Bitola) and Karagiorgos.Many changed their original name for the safety of their relatives or for other reasons. Thus, in the archives are mentioned with their Christian name and the epithet “Servos” or “Serbes” (Serb), “Mavrovouniotis” (Montenegrin), “Bosnakos” (Bosnian) or the name of their home-town (e.g. Katzos “Monastirlis” i.e. from Monasterion/Bitola). Greeks confused some of them with Bulgarians and eventually named them “Voulgari” in various documents. Most were under the age of 25 at the beginning of the Revolution. The Montenegrins originated mostly from the city of Belopavlic and the Serbs from Monasterion (Bitola), Belgrade, Nivitsa, Niš and Skopje.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs,_Montenegrins_and_Bosnians_in_the_Greek_War_of_Independence Last of all, I swear by Thee, my sacred and suffering Country,— I swear by thy long-endured tortures,— I swear by the bitter tears which for so many centuries have been shed by thy unhappy children, by my own tears which I am pouring forth at this very moment,— I swear by the future liberty of my countrymen, that I consecrate myself wholly to thee; that hence forward thou shall be the cause and object of my thoughts, thy name the guide of my actions, and thy happiness the recompense of my labours. ” —Conclusion of the Great Oath of the Filiki
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Post by kapedan on Oct 10, 2013 22:43:17 GMT -5
Tell those fairytales to the original author of the article...
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Oct 11, 2013 4:57:21 GMT -5
Kapidan,
loads of Yugoslavs (Bosnians of course included) lost their lives in the HEROIC south slavic retreat from Yugoslavia to Corfu, during WWI.
Come on, don't be ashamed of your own history, it is GLORIOUS!
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Post by rex362 on Oct 28, 2013 22:38:49 GMT -5
what were those serbs doing in corfu besides hiding ,crying and dying ??
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Post by branislavnusic on Jun 11, 2018 1:30:04 GMT -5
what were those serbs doing in corfu besides hiding ,crying and dying ?? Making Tamo Daleko
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Post by branislavnusic on Jun 27, 2018 14:11:38 GMT -5
Well Greeks and Serbs are friends for the same reason Albanians and Croats are friends. We have a common enemy. Greek Volunteer Guard on the side of Replubika Srpska in bosnian war Partizan Belgrade vs AEK 1999
"Meanwhile, food, oil, and arms were reported moving from Greece into Serbia in violation of the UN embargo. Before, during, and after its 1994 presidency of the EU, Greece was the only EU nation to back the Serbian position that Serbian forces had entered Bosnian territory. In early 1994, Greece incurred the displeasure of its European allies by voting against NATO air strikes on Serbian positions. Greece also refused the use of its NATO air bases at Preveza on the Ionian Sea for such attacks and refused to supply Greek troops to the UN peacekeeping mission in Bosnia. In NATO, Greece's position was diametrically opposed to that of Turkey, which supported the Bosnian government."
"Serbs' roots stem from Hellenic civilization and that the two peoples are united through Orthodoxy." - Dragan Dragic former president of Replubika Srpska
Tsar Dusan "proclaimed the equality of Greeks and Serbs in all his dominions and confirmed the privileges bestowed on Greek cities by Byzantine Emperors of the past whom Dušan was pleased to regard as his imperial predecessors"
Dimitrios Karatasos sought to establish a Greek-Serbian alliance in 1861, traveling to Belgrade, but died during his trip. Lambros Koutsonikas, a Greek veteran and historian, dreamt of a Greek–Serbian federation of "two sisters" - 1863
We, the Serbs, are blessed to have God in heaven and Hellenes on earth. You the Hellenes have us Serbs as your friends. We will continue the struggle you undertook in 1974 against the Muslims until Constantinople becomes a centre for Orthodoxy."
Bishop Nicolas of Sarajevo
Cyprus in July 1994 ki (20th anniversary of the Tursh invasion) "The Serbs have only two friends, God and the Greeks." Former Republic of Srpska President Dr. Radovan Karadzic "The Greek and Serb peoples will remain united until Doomsday." Former President, Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica 3 December 2000 Mount Athos "The Serbs are our true friends [...]" Former Prime Minister Constantine Mitsotakis "The Greeks have always been friends of our people [...]" Serbian Patriarch Pavle read by His Eminence Metropolitan Amfilohije of Montenegro and the Littoral on 20 April 2000 [addressed to the Athens Meeting] "May the traditional Greek – Serbian friendship flourish!" Serbian Patriarch Pavle read by His Eminence Metropolitan Amfilohije of Montenegro and the Littoral on 20 April 2000 [addressed to the Athens Meeting] "As a Greek I swear eternal friendship with the Serb people." Former Foreign Minister George Papandreou 15 March 2003 Belgrade "We have more in common than differences. The Greek people stood by our side more than any other nation. Up there we do not say the Greeks, we say our brothers. Whatever happens here – let's hope the time will never come – they will be by your side in no time. They are yours. You have won their brotherhood. They are so proud for my Greek origin both mine and my husband's. For the fact that he chose a Greek woman too, like his grandfather did." HRH Crown Princess Katherine 18 December 2004 "The Greek and the Serb people are united like a fist." Former Foreign Minister Vladislav Jovanovic 1994 "Greece and Serbia are two countries linked by ancient and inextricable bonds. Our relationship is lost in the depths of time. Serbian culture and religion were greatly influenced by our common roots in the great civilisation of Byzantium." Secretary General for European Affairs Dimitrios K. Katsoudas 3 May 2007 "In the past quite difficult years, Greece and its citizens have proved their original motives and their belief in the expression that 'you will know who your friends are, when you need them'. Huge amounts of humanitarian aid coming from Greece to Serbia and Montenegro, innumerous efforts to collect funds for rebuilding our country, hospitality extended to our children – mainly children of refugees – for a short or a long period of time in Greek families, all this is just a token of the Greek moves of true friendship and solidarity that we will never forget. Even today, as we speak, Greece realizes, being a true friend of ours, our goals and priorities and is helping us to achieve them. [...] The strong, historic and friendly relation between Serbia-Montenegro and Greece constitutes the most important foundation to improve any form of cooperation in the field of politics, economy, culture, sports or education..." Former President of Serbia-Montenegro Svetozar Marovic November-December 2006 "I am among friends. And this friendship of ours [between Greeks and Serbs] has been proved in practice. And we shall do this in the future as well with words and with deeds." Former President of Greece Konstantinos Stephanopoulos October 2003 "As Hellenic Nationalists, we express complete support with our Serb brothers, which was genuinely expressed in the past and we declare our solidarity in the common struggle for National Dignity and Sovereignty. Kosovo is Serbia!" Golden Dawn Statement [posted on the Serbian Consulate in Thessaloniki] 1 March 2008 Thessaloniki
In 1994, the Greek Orthodox Church declared Radovan Karadžić as "one of the most prominent sons of our Lord Jesus Christ working for peace" and decorated him with the nine-hundred-year-old Knights' Order of the First Rank of Saint Dionysius of Xanthe. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew announced that "the Serbian people have been chosen by God to protect the western frontiers of Orthodoxy"
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Anyway, I went onto an "Albanian" history channel recently and half of the videos were on Greek human rights abuses. take a look Not to mention the rest of this guy's video's which include: Cleansing homes from Northern Epirotes done by Albanians: eu.greekreporter.com/2017/10/31/albanian-police-guard-as-himara-authorities-demolish-greek-homes-video/www.wikiwand.com/en/Anti-Greek_sentimentwww.thenationalherald.com/140351/greece-rips-albania-demolishing-homes-ethnic-greek-minority/Burning of Greek Flag in Albania: YET THE WEBSITE YOU GOT THAT ARTICLE FROM STATES A GRECO ALBANIAN FRIENDSHIP?!??!?!?!
SERBS AND GREEKS ARE ALLIED, NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT, HISTORY SAYS SO YOU SHQIPETARS ARE JUST JEALOUS OF THE GREEKS.
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 29, 2018 1:03:50 GMT -5
Branislav Nusicu!!
pazi od grka..... brate.... slusaj stari Pyrros.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jun 29, 2018 1:19:52 GMT -5
Branislav Nusicu!! pazi od grka..... brate.... slusaj stari Pyrros. Grcka je lepa zemlja,
In 1994, the Greek Orthodox Church declared Radovan Karadžić as "one of the most prominent sons of our Lord Jesus Christ working for peace" and decorated him with the nine-hundred-year-old Knights' Order of the First Rank of Saint Dionysius of Xanthe. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew announced that "the Serbian people have been chosen by God to protect the western frontiers of Orthodoxy"
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 29, 2018 3:25:33 GMT -5
Branislav Nusicu!! pazi od grka..... brate.... slusaj stari Pyrros. Grcka je lepa zemlja,
In 1994, the Greek Orthodox Church declared Radovan Karadžić as "one of the most prominent sons of our Lord Jesus Christ working for peace" and decorated him with the nine-hundred-year-old Knights' Order of the First Rank of Saint Dionysius of Xanthe. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew announced that "the Serbian people have been chosen by God to protect the western frontiers of Orthodoxy"
Western BS. "Greek" church is 100% western controlled and has been working hard to cleanse any form of old Slavic life in Greece. Slavs have been wiped out from northern Greece by the exact same methods that Serbs have been wiped out of Kosovo.
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 29, 2018 4:43:34 GMT -5
Most Athenians I talked to about Russia 2018 world cup don't give a damn about Serbia. They say that we are friends but that's all they know. They don't care. In addition, when anyone brings the 1999 bombings into the convo, 99.99% of them will smile and say : haha NATO fucked them big time.... with the smile on their face.
This serbian - vlah friendship is another WESTERN hoax.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 5:10:08 GMT -5
Most Athenians I talked to about Russia 2018 world cup don't give a damn about Serbia. They say that we are friends but that's all they know. They don't care. In addition, when anyone brings the 1999 bombings into the convo, 99.99% of them will smile and say : haha NATO fucked them big time.... with the smile on their face. This serbian - vlah friendship is another WESTERN hoax. Well since we got Vucic as prime minister and now president Serbia is becoming increasingly annoying. He whines too much, so I don't blame them. Not even that Tadic and his company whined so much in public. People in Balkans in general whine too much, but these guys beat everyone else.
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 29, 2018 6:17:11 GMT -5
Well since we got Vucic as prime minister and now president Serbia is becoming increasingly annoying. He whines too much, so I don't blame them. Not even that Tadic and his company whined so much in public. People in Balkans in general whine too much, but these guys beat everyone else. You should blame them. They don't even know who Vucic is. They hate anything slavic. Is this Vucic fault that those sodomized whores hate anything Serbian ? About Vucic, is there a better alternative? Like this Muslim snake Vuk Jeremic? or the other snake from Nis Zivkovic? Or this Jankovic joke? Who is better than Vucic? Know what will happen if any of those western traitors control Serbia? Serbia will be bombed again, Kosovo will be completely de-slavicized, Presevo will join Tirana, Vojvodina will split, and Serbs will die out EVEN MORE.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jun 29, 2018 10:36:29 GMT -5
Grcka je lepa zemlja,
In 1994, the Greek Orthodox Church declared Radovan Karadžić as "one of the most prominent sons of our Lord Jesus Christ working for peace" and decorated him with the nine-hundred-year-old Knights' Order of the First Rank of Saint Dionysius of Xanthe. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew announced that "the Serbian people have been chosen by God to protect the western frontiers of Orthodoxy"
Western BS. "Greek" church is 100% western controlled and has been working hard to cleanse any form of old Slavic life in Greece. Slavs have been wiped out from northern Greece by the exact same methods that Serbs have been wiped out of Kosovo. Yes, but not Serb slavs but Bulgar slavs, Bulgarians aren't even slavic, they are mongoloid.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jun 29, 2018 10:37:34 GMT -5
Well since we got Vucic as prime minister and now president Serbia is becoming increasingly annoying. He whines too much, so I don't blame them. Not even that Tadic and his company whined so much in public. People in Balkans in general whine too much, but these guys beat everyone else. You should blame them. They don't even know who Vucic is. They hate anything slavic. Is this Vucic fault that those sodomized whores hate anything Serbian ? About Vucic, is there a better alternative? Like this Muslim snake Vuk Jeremic? or the other snake from Nis Zivkovic? Or this Jankovic joke? Who is better than Vucic? Know what will happen if any of those western traitors control Serbia? Serbia will be bombed again, Kosovo will be completely de-slavicized, Presevo will join Tirana, Vojvodina will split, and Serbs will die out EVEN MORE. Bosko Obradovic.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jun 29, 2018 10:40:47 GMT -5
Most Athenians I talked to about Russia 2018 world cup don't give a damn about Serbia. They say that we are friends but that's all they know. They don't care. In addition, when anyone brings the 1999 bombings into the convo, 99.99% of them will smile and say : haha NATO fucked them big time.... with the smile on their face. This serbian - vlah friendship is another WESTERN hoax. Greece is one of the few NATO members whose majority population is against NATO entry, but i'm guessing they're to lazy to do anything about it. same goes for the people of Montenegro lol........
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