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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 7, 2018 12:09:46 GMT -5
Can we post the elements of proto-slavic culture within Serbia on this thread? I'll post what I know first. GUSLE6th-century Byzantine Greek historian Theophylact Simocatta ( c. 630) wrote about "small lyres" brought by the Slavs who settled the Balkans; some researchers believe that this might have been the gusle OPANAKArcheologists found footprints of leather shoes worn by Geto-Dacians dating to 2500 BC. Trajan's Column in Rome features Dacians wearing this type of leather shoes. Archeological findings show that the local population was hunting wild game: foxes, deer, badgers, wolves, bears, whose skins were later manufactured. Dacians bordered slavic people, so this was probably worn by ancient slavs as well. ZUBUN
The Zubun was known in wide regions from north-eastern Europe, across the southern parts of the Balkan peninsula, and across Asia Minor, all the way to central Asia; it seems to have been a clothing item among Thracians, Illyrians and Slavs. BADNJAKScholars regard the badnjak customs as practises inherited from the old Slavic religion. In the pre-Christian religion of the Serbs, as shown by Serbian scholar Veselin Čajkanović, there were trees seen as dwelling places of spirits or divinities. Čajkanović argues that there were also trees seen as divinities per se. He considers the badnjak as a convincing example of the latter. Salutations, prayers, and sacrifices such as grain, wine, and honey are offered to him (the name badnjak is of masculine gender in Serbian); he is consistently treated not as a tree but as a person. German scholar and folklorist Wilhelm Mannhardt holds that the log represented an incarnation of the spirit of vegetation. The sacrifices offered to the badnjak were meant to guarantee the fertility of fields, the health and happiness of the family. Its burning symbolized sunshine, and was intended to secure the vitalizing power of the sun in the ensuing year. The lighting of the log could be regarded as a fusion of tree worship and fire worship, attested in Slavic customs; e.g., Istrians fed the logs lighted on St. John's Day by sprinkling wheat upon them
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 7, 2018 12:15:23 GMT -5
Thracians = Illirians = Slavs
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 7, 2018 12:16:04 GMT -5
Covece, svaka cast za temu. Ti si Kralj!
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 7, 2018 12:18:02 GMT -5
Covece, svaka cast za temu. Ti si Kralj! Hvala!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 13:51:01 GMT -5
I just want to make a remark here.
Slavic gusle:
Turkic gusle:
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 7, 2018 14:56:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed that the Mongolian instrument is similair to Gusle..... I think that they're just different types of fiddle but it is common among many turkic people.
But they are quite similair regarding the fact that both are made from horse hair similair shape etc...
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 8, 2018 7:21:45 GMT -5
want another remark by Kralj Vatra? here it comes!!!
nuff said.....
Ancient Greeks stem from Slavs. The rest is history.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 14:57:30 GMT -5
want another remark by Kralj Vatra? here it comes!!!
nuff said.....
Ancient Greeks stem from Slavs. The rest is history.
Is Kolo proto-slavic??? I do not know
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 9, 2018 1:10:40 GMT -5
^ Kolo is an ancient RASCIAN DANCE SYMBOLIZING GOD (our sun)
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 23, 2018 2:49:23 GMT -5
I just want to make a remark here.
Slavic gusle:
Turkic gusle:
Notice that they both have horseheads.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 23, 2018 2:59:16 GMT -5
SLAVAThere are indications that the institution of the slava dates from Saint Sava, that "in his understanding and tactful approach to Serbian folk religion", he "seems to have found a compromise formula satisfactory to both his people's tradition and the requirements of Byzantine theology". The slava is a reinterpretation of a pagan rite: the ancestor-protector became a Christian saint,frequently St. Nicholas,with the pagan rite being reduced of many religious elements and frequent ceremonies and becoming a social event with the annual meeting of the family and friends
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 23, 2018 3:08:20 GMT -5
ZDUHAC
A zduhać (Cyrillic: здухаћ, pronounced [zdǔxaːtɕ]) and vetrovnjak (ветровњак, [ʋetrǒʋɲaːk]) in Serbian tradition, and a dragon man in Bulgarian, Macedonian and Serbian traditions, were men believed to have an inborn supernatural ability to protect their estate, village, or region against destructive weather conditions, such as storms, hail, or torrential rains. It was believed that the souls of these men could leave their bodies in sleep, to intercept and fight with demonic beings imagined as bringers of bad weather. Having defeated the demons and taken away the stormy clouds they brought, the protectors would return into their bodies and wake up tired.
Notions associated with the zduhać, vetrovnjak, and dragon man, respectively, are not identical. The dragon man fought against female demons called ala, which led hail clouds over fields to destroy crops, and consumed the fertility of the fields. The zduhaći (plural) of an area usually fought together against the attacking zduhaći of another area who were bringing a storm and hail clouds above their fields. The victorious zduhaći would loot the yield of all agricultural produce from the territory of their defeated foes, and take it to their own region. The vetrovnjak, recorded in parts of western Serbia, fought against a bringer of bad weather imagined as a black bird. The zduhaći are recorded in Montenegro, eastern Herzegovina, part of Bosnia, and the Sandžak region of south-western Serbia. The dragon men are recorded in eastern Serbia, Banat, western Bulgaria, and Macedonia.
ORIGINS
The zduhaći, the dragon men, and the related folkloric figures of Europe can be compared with Eurasian shamans, e.g., the noaidi of the Lapps, as well as the shamans of the Samoyeds and Tungus in Siberia. They were all able to leave their body in spirit to fight against the enemies of their community. The shamans also fought against each other, usually in animal form, for reasons such as to procure for their side as much reindeer as possible. However, for a shaman's soul to leave his body, he had to work himself into a state of ecstasy through a ceremony consisting of drumming, dancing, chanting, and even taking narcotics. All the zduhaći had to do was to fall asleep, although the unusual depth of their sleep indicates a state of ecstasy. There are detailed and eventful descriptions of the journey of the shaman's soul, but no corresponding accounts exist in the case of the zduhaći. However, the zduhaći who left their bodies were said to have gone into the winds. This expression may contain an idea of a journey.Pavel Rovinski recorded the words he heard from his landlady in Montenegro on a windy night in March: "Listen, how they sing—the travellers; they have gone high high! Happy journey to them!"
The crucial difference between the shamans and their European counterparts lies in the fact that the ecstasy of the former was public, while that of the latter was always private. Historian Carlo Ginzburg asserts that "his divergence stands starkly against a homogeneous background." Ginzburg regards all of them as mediators with the realm of the dead, who are the "ambiguous dispensers of prosperity"; the ecstasy represents a temporary death. The accounts in which the figures fly or fight materially rather than in spirit, are attempts "to describe an ecstatic experience perceived as absolutely real". Ginzburg argues, adopting a diffusionist approach, that the shamanistic elements of the European folkloric figures have their original source in the shamanism of Siberian nomads, and their diffusion was possibly mediated by the Scythians.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 23, 2018 3:50:16 GMT -5
German (Bulgaria and Serbian: Герман, pronounced [ˈɡerman]) is a South Slavic mythological being, recorded in the folklore of eastern Serbia and northern Bulgaria. He is a male spirit associated with bringing rain and hail. His influence on these precipitations can be positive, resulting with the amount of rain beneficial for agriculture, or negative, with a drought, downpours, or hail. Rituals connected with German included making a doll intended to represent this personage. This effigy of German, made of rags, fired clay, or dried fruits, was rather large, usually with a distinct representation of the male genitals. It was produced and used in rituals exclusively by girls or young women.
In eastern Serbia, when a drought developed, girls would make such a doll, and bring it to a river bank. Depending on the regional custom, they would either bury it by the river, or put it in a little casket and let it flow down the river. Two of the girls would then start lamenting for the doll. Asked by the others why they were crying, they would answer, “We are crying for German; because of the drought German has died for the rain to fall.” If the amount of rain would become excessive after that, the doll was dug out. In northern Bulgaria, the rituals with German usually followed immediately after the Dodola rituals, but could be performed independently from them. In some villages they were carried out on the Feast of Saint Germanus. Girls would make the doll, 20 to 50 cm long, and lay it on a slate or in a little casket. Having adorned it with flowers, they would bury it with funeral observances. After three, nine, or forty days, the doll was dug out, and thrown into water.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 23, 2018 6:03:50 GMT -5
6th-century Byzantine Greek historian Theophylact Simocatta
In 6th century there were no Greeks in the Roman domain. In fact the goal of the Romans was to kill the Greeks. Simocatta means nothing in Greek. Also the term "Byzantine" was later a german hoax to connect Romans and Greeks as one (even today anglos talks about Greeko-Roman civilization , which is so absurd like talking about Serbo-Albanian civilization).
Romans came to KILL the Greeks. Thats a fact.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 23, 2018 14:09:34 GMT -5
6th-century Byzantine Greek historian Theophylact Simocatta
In 6th century there were no Greeks in the Roman domain. In fact the goal of the Romans was to kill the Greeks. Simocatta means nothing in Greek. Also the term "Byzantine" was later a german hoax to connect Romans and Greeks as one (even today anglos talks about Greeko-Roman civilization , which is so absurd like talking about Serbo-Albanian civilization).
Romans came to KILL the Greeks. Thats a fact.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 24, 2018 2:38:59 GMT -5
Man, that was the TRUE GREEK part in me speaking.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 24, 2018 10:41:03 GMT -5
Man, that was the TRUE GREEK part in me speaking. so did the romans wipe out the greeks?
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 24, 2018 12:21:43 GMT -5
Man, that was the TRUE GREEK part in me speaking. so did the romans wipe out the greeks?
from mainland Greece completely except Lakonia:
the dark red in the map :
And also Tsakonia (small region).
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 24, 2018 14:08:44 GMT -5
so did the romans wipe out the greeks?
from mainland Greece completely except Lakonia:
the dark red in the map :
And also Tsakonia (small region).
what is the map of?
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 24, 2018 22:58:08 GMT -5
to locate where Laconia is.
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