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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 4:19:07 GMT -5
Romansh language is used by Italians in Switzerland and Northeast Italy (Trieste area, dark red/brown on the map below). It is said to be a descendent of Vulgar Latin. Vlachs in Balkans also used the same language long ago. How related these two groups can be?
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 10:07:13 GMT -5
in about 1204, most of central/southern greece was Latin speaking : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_VlachiaThose Vlahs were used later to push north-ward the Slavs. Athens was almost 100% Vlah/Arvanite. hmmmmm maybe they established those Vlahs to separate the southern Slavs of Moreja (Moreas) from their northern Slavs of Makedonia? That's a classic western technique. |
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 3, 2018 10:40:51 GMT -5
Romansh language is used by Italians in Switzerland and Northeast Italy (Trieste area, dark red/brown on the map below). It is said to be a descendent of Vulgar Latin. Vlachs in Balkans also used the same language long ago. How related these two groups can be?
The latin in them is the same... I don't think Swiss Italians have any Paleo-Balkan influence. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 13:02:42 GMT -5
Uncorrelated to Romansh language but I recently found out Vlach population in eastern parts of Serbia (Topolnica, Bor district) struggle when they speak Serbian. I saw the TV reporter interviewing some men and women and they had problems. I expected they would speak like average Morava folks, a bit different accent but fluid. Their Serbian wasn't really fluid. I think its a bit shameful when you barely speak the language of the country you live in.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 3, 2018 13:59:36 GMT -5
Uncorrelated to Romansh language but I recently found out Vlach population in eastern parts of Serbia (Topolnica, Bor district) struggle when they speak Serbian. I saw the TV reporter interviewing some men and women and they had problems. I expected they would speak like average Morava folks, a bit different accent but fluid. Their Serbian wasn't really fluid. I think its a bit shameful when you barely speak the language of the country you live in. I heard that those Vlachs celebrate Slava. |
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 14:00:57 GMT -5
Wanna listen the sequel to this? Vlahs from Metsovo are acting like mega-Greeks and want to Greekify the Vlahs from Northern Makedonija (ex. FYROM)....
Also I went to Metsovo recently and those guys not only have lost (by their own will) the Latin (Vlah) language, they have lost the classic Sarakatsan greek accent (which 80% of Greece used to speak and now only few guys (like me) can speak it without problems ).
so its about politics. Your Vlahs are granted with : - minority status - own church - own schools
In greece there exist NOTHING of the sort. The Vlahs themselves dont want it. why? because Brits (SAXANS) used them and funded them heavily to create the greek ethnos... that;s why...
everything is possible .... when the Brits show around...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 14:13:28 GMT -5
Hey, just to make clear. I have no problem at all for them to speak their language, but they need to be bilingual. To answer branislavnusic : they seem very Slavicized in terms of national costume, customs and music. I suppose traditions are similar. Perhaps those people were just bad representatives of their population. |
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 3, 2018 14:18:33 GMT -5
To answer branislavnusic : they seem very Slavicized in terms of national costume, customs and music. I suppose traditions are similar. Perhaps those people were just bad representatives of their population.  folk clothes of vlachs from Timok, judge for yourself how slavic they are. |
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 14:25:29 GMT -5
Hey, just to make clear. I have no problem at all for them to speak their language, but they need to be bilingual. To answer branislavnusic : they seem very Slavicized in terms of national costume, customs and music. I suppose traditions are similar. Perhaps those people were just bad representatives of their population.
Their dances are 100% Serbian I can say that with certainty.
(btw the shape of the female legs is always 100% Slavic, like the one found in Bulgaria/Serbia/BiH)
But our Vlah music and dances go like :
this is the music I grew up with...
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 14:28:23 GMT -5
If the west wanted to latinify us and catholify us, they could do it in one week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 14:31:05 GMT -5
If the west wanted to latinify us and catholify us, they could do it in one week. Did you heard for this guy? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 14:37:04 GMT -5
Hey, just to make clear. I have no problem at all for them to speak their language, but they need to be bilingual. To answer branislavnusic : they seem very Slavicized in terms of national costume, customs and music. I suppose traditions are similar. Perhaps those people were just bad representatives of their population.
Their dances are 100% Serbian I can say that with certainty.
(btw the shape of the female legs is always 100% Slavic, like the one found in Bulgaria/Serbia/BiH)
But our Vlah music and dances go like :
this is the music I grew up with...
That music was so weird. The circle dance looks like classic circle dance, but the music was out of place when it comes to Balkan. |
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 3, 2018 14:37:28 GMT -5
If the west wanted to latinify us and catholify us, they could do it in one week. Did you heard for this guy? there were loads of other Greeks which fought for Serbia |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 15:04:39 GMT -5
Honestly I expected Greek Vlachs to have song with melody like this only with Greek/Aromanian words:
Instead music is quite foreign to my ears.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 16:19:44 GMT -5
If the west wanted to latinify us and catholify us, they could do it in one week. Did you heard for this guy? oooops no, but I should .... Our Mighty Londoners only tell us what we need to know. Anything else (Slavic related) is hidden from us with great discipline and care.
thanx for sharing this... So Kondas was his surname....
apparently they moved out of Ipiros to makedonia/athens/etc...
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 16:24:35 GMT -5
That music was so weird. The circle dance looks like classic circle dance, but the music was out of place when it comes to Balkan.
That's the real music of "Greece".
Its origins are KOREA. Korean Music and our Vlah music share the same everything.
What I cannot spot is the real language of our ancestors ...
maybe Khazar / Jew or smth ...
The music (and the albanian music as our my friend Rex will agree) seem out of place because this music came AFTER . This does not sound like Greek music (Crete, Pontos, Cyprus). This is clearly FAR ASIAN music brought by the newcomers.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 3, 2018 16:26:22 GMT -5
Honestly I expected Greek Vlachs to have song with melody like this only with Greek/Aromanian words:
Instead music is quite foreign to my ears.
this is typical south slav. (sounds like Serbian from Kosovo - Stani Stani ibar vodo , etc ) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 16:32:29 GMT -5
Honestly I expected Greek Vlachs to have song with melody like this only with Greek/Aromanian words:
Instead music is quite foreign to my ears.
this is typical south slav. (sounds like Serbian from Kosovo - Stani Stani ibar vodo , etc ) Yes, because Macedonian/Bulgarian/eastern Serbia + Kosovo music all sound similar. That's why it came as a small surprise when I heard that music from a video you gave, but now I got interested a bit more in Greek Vlach music so I heard a couple of other songs. I don't understand a word but it sounds kind of soothing actually in its own weird way. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 16:38:06 GMT -5
That music was so weird. The circle dance looks like classic circle dance, but the music was out of place when it comes to Balkan.
That's the real music of "Greece".
Its origins are KOREA. Korean Music and our Vlah music share the same everything.
What I cannot spot is the real language of our ancestors ...
maybe Khazar / Jew or smth ...
The music (and the albanian music as our my friend Rex will agree) seem out of place because this music came AFTER . This does not sound like Greek music (Crete, Pontos, Cyprus). This is clearly FAR ASIAN music brought by the newcomers.
To be honest it sounds most similar to the Native American in the rhythm. I guess because they were herders. But to be completely honest it sounds older than the South Slavic music |
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 4, 2018 0:37:33 GMT -5
That's the real music of "Greece".
Its origins are KOREA. Korean Music and our Vlah music share the same everything.
What I cannot spot is the real language of our ancestors ...
maybe Khazar / Jew or smth ...
The music (and the albanian music as our my friend Rex will agree) seem out of place because this music came AFTER . This does not sound like Greek music (Crete, Pontos, Cyprus). This is clearly FAR ASIAN music brought by the newcomers.
To be honest it sounds most similar to the Native American in the rhythm. I guess because they were herders. But to be completely honest it sounds older than the South Slavic music Albanian Music sounds Chinese: |
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