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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:08:38 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/113534.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH MEETS WITH ARCHBISHOP OF ATHENS TO DISCUSS UKRAINE AND MACEDONIAAthens, June 6, 2018 His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew met with His Beatitude Archbishop Ieronymos of Athens at his Athenian residence yesterday to discuss, among other issues, the controversial ongoing questions surrounding the Ukrainian and Macedonian schismatic churches. The patriarch is in Greece for the ecological symposium “Toward a Greener Attica—Preserving the Planet and Protecting its People.” He also headed the glorification of St. Iakovos (Tsalikis) of Evia on the Greek island on Saturday and Sunday. At their meeting, the Constantinople and Greek primates discussed the hot-button issue of the possibility of the granting of a tomos of autocephaly to a united Ukrainian church, made up of the schismatic hierarchs of the “Kiev Patriarchate” and of the “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.” With the backing of the nation’s parliament and the schismatic hierarchs, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko recently appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to create and grant autocephaly to a new Ukrainian Church that would be separate from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate later announced that it would initiate a dialogue on the matter with the other Orthodox Churches of the world. While no details of yesterday’s conversation are available, Abp. Ieronymos expressed a neutral attitude to the issue at an earlier meeting with Constantinople representatives, stating only that it is a significant issue that would have to be taken up by the Bishops’ Council of the Greek Orthodox Church in October. The Ecumenical Patriarchate’s delegation responded that “in any case, the process [of Constantinople proclaiming autocephaly] will continue.” Pat. Bartholomew and Abp. Ieronymos also discussed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox church, which reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia, from which the Macedonian church initially schismed, and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Pat. Bartholomew has publicly asserted Constantinople’s role as the Mother Church of all Balkan nations. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well, which resolved at its May 30 session to take up this issue and take appropriate measures “under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.”
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:10:27 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/115661.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH WILL NOT RECOGNIZE MACEDONIAN CHURCH AS LONG AS IT USES TITLE “MACEDONIAN”
Constantinople, September 11, 2018 The Ecumenical Patriarchate addressed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox Church at its recent Synaxis of Hierarchs, held in Constantinople from September 1-4. His All-Holiness Patriarch Bartholomew responded to the request for recognition of the Macedonian Orthodox Church with a categorical “no,” as long as the Church title contains the name “Macedonia” or any derivate thereof, reports Romfea. The Macedonian Church, which formed as a schism form the Serbian Orthodox Church in 1967, reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. However, the Bulgarian Church has repeatedly affirmed that it will not cause a schism in the Orthodox world over the Macedonian issue. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well for the regularization of its canonical status, to which it responded that it would take up the issue and take appropriate measures ““under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.” Pat. Bartholomew stressed his opposition to the use of the title “Macedonian” in his introductory speech to the Synaxis of Hierarchs of the Ecumenical Throne on September 1, addressed in particular to the metropolitans of Macedonia and Thrace who, though bishops of the Greek Orthodox Church, also participate in the Constantinopolitan Synaxis of Hierarchs. The Ecumenical Patriarch said in particular, “I ask my brothers who serve in Macedonia [meaning the Macedonian region of Greece—O.C.] to transfer my patriarchal message to their flock.”
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 12, 2018 1:11:04 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/113534.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH MEETS WITH ARCHBISHOP OF ATHENS TO DISCUSS UKRAINE AND MACEDONIAAthens, June 6, 2018 His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew met with His Beatitude Archbishop Ieronymos of Athens at his Athenian residence yesterday to discuss, among other issues, the controversial ongoing questions surrounding the Ukrainian and Macedonian schismatic churches. The patriarch is in Greece for the ecological symposium “Toward a Greener Attica—Preserving the Planet and Protecting its People.” He also headed the glorification of St. Iakovos (Tsalikis) of Evia on the Greek island on Saturday and Sunday. At their meeting, the Constantinople and Greek primates discussed the hot-button issue of the possibility of the granting of a tomos of autocephaly to a united Ukrainian church, made up of the schismatic hierarchs of the “Kiev Patriarchate” and of the “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.” With the backing of the nation’s parliament and the schismatic hierarchs, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko recently appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to create and grant autocephaly to a new Ukrainian Church that would be separate from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate later announced that it would initiate a dialogue on the matter with the other Orthodox Churches of the world. While no details of yesterday’s conversation are available, Abp. Ieronymos expressed a neutral attitude to the issue at an earlier meeting with Constantinople representatives, stating only that it is a significant issue that would have to be taken up by the Bishops’ Council of the Greek Orthodox Church in October. The Ecumenical Patriarchate’s delegation responded that “in any case, the process [of Constantinople proclaiming autocephaly] will continue.” Pat. Bartholomew and Abp. Ieronymos also discussed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox church, which reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia, from which the Macedonian church initially schismed, and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Pat. Bartholomew has publicly asserted Constantinople’s role as the Mother Church of all Balkan nations. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well, which resolved at its May 30 session to take up this issue and take appropriate measures “under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.” Ukrainian and Macedonian church never historically existed.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:13:14 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/115664.htmlCONSTANTINOPLE SEES NO THREAT OF SCHISM DUE TO UKRAINIAN AUTOCEPHALY
Constantinople, September 11, 2018 The Patriarchate of Constantinople sees no threat of a schism in the case of granting autocephaly to Ukraine, as Churches now live “in an era of communication and information, and any problems can be discussed in detail,” His Eminence Metropolitan Emmanuel of Gaul said in a recent interview with the Greek newspaper Ethnos, reports RIA-Novosti. His statement comes, however, after the Russian Church has already announced that it would break communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate if it grants autocephaly. As the newspaper notes, Met. Emmanuel is considered one of His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew’s closest and most trusted collaborators. He attended the August 31st meeting between Pat. Bartholomew and His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, though he declined to divulge the content of their meeting. “With the April 2nd decision of the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the intention of the Mother-Constantinopolitan Church to accept the request of the Ukrainian people for autocephaly became known. From that moment began the process of informing the other autocephalous Orthodox Churches, and also of the differing position of the Moscow Patriarchate in relation to the proclamation of Ukrainian autocephaly,” Met. Emmanuel stated. The Ecumenical Patriarchate initially announced in late April that it had “decided to closely communicate and coordinate with its sister Orthodox Churches concerning this matter.” However, as those sister Churches soon found, the purpose of the visits of the Constantinople representatives was not to dialogue and coordinate, but rather to inform that Constantinople would be granting autocephaly, even without the support of a single Local Church. Nevertheless, the same Met. Emmanuel told Russian Church officials in May that Constantinople would not be granting autocephaly. Although the Ecumenical Patriarchate is now claiming that Ukraine is within its canonical jurisdiction, it recently appointed two new exarch bishops of Kiev, setting up another ecclesiastical structure there. The Russian and canonical Ukrainian Churches have protested this move, with the Russian Church announcing that it would break communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate if it grants autocephaly to the Ukrainian schismatics. Asked whether the decision to grant autocephaly would affect Constantinople’s relations with the largest Orthodox Church in the world, Met. Emmanuel said that the Phanar does not act on the basis of its own interests or political pressure. “All problems will be solved, and we will never reach such radical divisions and isolation,” Met. Emmanuel added, apparently without regard to the Russian Church’s own statement. The metropolitan did not stipulate when the tomos of autocephaly would finally be given, but affirmed that “the Patriarchate of Constantinople does not intend to postpone the solution of the Ukrainian problem, and … this is a priority.”
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:19:01 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/113534.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH MEETS WITH ARCHBISHOP OF ATHENS TO DISCUSS UKRAINE AND MACEDONIAAthens, June 6, 2018 His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew met with His Beatitude Archbishop Ieronymos of Athens at his Athenian residence yesterday to discuss, among other issues, the controversial ongoing questions surrounding the Ukrainian and Macedonian schismatic churches. The patriarch is in Greece for the ecological symposium “Toward a Greener Attica—Preserving the Planet and Protecting its People.” He also headed the glorification of St. Iakovos (Tsalikis) of Evia on the Greek island on Saturday and Sunday. At their meeting, the Constantinople and Greek primates discussed the hot-button issue of the possibility of the granting of a tomos of autocephaly to a united Ukrainian church, made up of the schismatic hierarchs of the “Kiev Patriarchate” and of the “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.” With the backing of the nation’s parliament and the schismatic hierarchs, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko recently appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to create and grant autocephaly to a new Ukrainian Church that would be separate from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate later announced that it would initiate a dialogue on the matter with the other Orthodox Churches of the world. While no details of yesterday’s conversation are available, Abp. Ieronymos expressed a neutral attitude to the issue at an earlier meeting with Constantinople representatives, stating only that it is a significant issue that would have to be taken up by the Bishops’ Council of the Greek Orthodox Church in October. The Ecumenical Patriarchate’s delegation responded that “in any case, the process [of Constantinople proclaiming autocephaly] will continue.” Pat. Bartholomew and Abp. Ieronymos also discussed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox church, which reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia, from which the Macedonian church initially schismed, and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Pat. Bartholomew has publicly asserted Constantinople’s role as the Mother Church of all Balkan nations. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well, which resolved at its May 30 session to take up this issue and take appropriate measures “under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.” Ukrainian and Macedonian church never historically existed. The UOC is the descendant of the Metropolis of Kiev and all Rus, and the MOC is the descendant of the Ohrid Archishopric.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 12, 2018 1:20:26 GMT -5
the archbishopric of ohrid was a bulgarian patriarchate, although these intstitutions were not ethnic.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:31:27 GMT -5
the archbishopric of ohrid was a bulgarian patriarchate, although these intstitutions were not ethnic. Which is why the Macedonian Church should not be under the jurisdiction of the Serbian Church. The Serbian Church should not have opposed the attempted move to make the Bulgarian Church the mother Church of the Macedonian Church last year.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 12, 2018 1:33:33 GMT -5
the archbishopric of ohrid was a bulgarian patriarchate, although these intstitutions were not ethnic. Which is why the Macedonian Church should not be under the jurisdiction of the Serbian Church. The Serbian Church should not have opposed the attempted move to make the Bulgarian Church the mother Church of the Macedonian Church last year. I agree with you on that point
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 13, 2018 3:06:57 GMT -5
two saxon bimbos fight for independence against almighty and fearless Serbian and Russian Empires.... makes sense...
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Post by Sokol on Sept 13, 2018 18:08:37 GMT -5
two saxon bimbos fight for independence against almighty and fearless Serbian and Russian Empires.... makes sense... lol @ Serbian Empire More like statelet...
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