Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 24, 2018 9:03:57 GMT -5
Should Britain Give Back The Elgin Marbles?
Bringing Home The Elgin Marbles: The removal of the Elgin Marbles from the Parthenon in the early 1800s has long been a source of disharmony between the British and the Greeks. Today, the debate rages ever fiercer.
"It just doesn’t make sense. It’s like cutting, for instance, the Last Supper of Da Vinci and taking one apostle to one museum and another apostle to another museum." The British Museum argues that "a great service" was undertaken in taking these sculptures, saving them from weathering or theft. But many Greeks consider the removal an "uncontrollable plundering of the Acropolis." With the art supposedly damaged by Elgin’s team, and those visiting the Acropolis Museum feeling the gap left by the incomplete Marbles, the Greek Minister of Culture just wants to "bring it all back together".
Some Comments:
Sinner Kissass
Brits even looted their european neighbours?! It was made in Greece. It should be in Greece.
Brits even looted their european neighbours?! It was made in Greece. It should be in Greece.
Theodoros Koromilas
Britain has no right to decide where the ancient greek marbles of the Parthenon are better displayed at. Would it make sense for parts of big ben or london bridge to be displayed in Athens? Dont think so...Let's all make up for past mistakes as civilized and rational human beings.
Britain has no right to decide where the ancient greek marbles of the Parthenon are better displayed at. Would it make sense for parts of big ben or london bridge to be displayed in Athens? Dont think so...Let's all make up for past mistakes as civilized and rational human beings.
Bakkasur
when there is a chance to make the art look complete it should be done .... why would anyone want to see same incomplete art pieces at two different museums.above all its the heritage of greece.
when there is a chance to make the art look complete it should be done .... why would anyone want to see same incomplete art pieces at two different museums.above all its the heritage of greece.
Dan Troop
The ancient Greeks created the sculptures and then, for thousands of years, they were disregarded, if not forgotten, by the Greeks. Two centuries ago an Englishman recognized the importance and cultural value of what had survived and brought the artifacts to safety in England where they were highly regarded and valued. Legally the Greeks have no claim of ownership since they were legally sold by the people who at that time owned them, and the rest of Greece as well. Culturally the Greeks have a compelling case for having the artifacts being back whence they were created and sold. Who should prevail depends on whether the case is argued in a Court of Law or the Court of Public Opinion.
The ancient Greeks created the sculptures and then, for thousands of years, they were disregarded, if not forgotten, by the Greeks. Two centuries ago an Englishman recognized the importance and cultural value of what had survived and brought the artifacts to safety in England where they were highly regarded and valued. Legally the Greeks have no claim of ownership since they were legally sold by the people who at that time owned them, and the rest of Greece as well. Culturally the Greeks have a compelling case for having the artifacts being back whence they were created and sold. Who should prevail depends on whether the case is argued in a Court of Law or the Court of Public Opinion.
PetrosB4
Elgin did not save anything, the marbles he left behind survived and are now in the Acropolis Museum where they belong. So the debate “he saved them from destruction by taking them to Britain” is simply FALSE.
Alexander Chatziioannidis
She says that it's ''beneficial to everybody'' to have the marbles in both places. What she really means is ''it's beneficial for us, we would hate to lose traffic, status and money from sending away some of our most prized possessions, that's why we're using the old legally ours excuse to try and convince people that we're right''(even though the deal that sent the Greek marbles to Great Britain was made with the Ottoman occupiers of Greece, and the Greeks who are the rightful owners of their own ancient cultural artifacts, heritage and history had no say in the matter).
Of course, I understand that the Greeks couldn't possibly have had a deciding say in the matter at the time even if they had wanted to because they were occupied, so if the ambassador wanted the marbles, negotiating with the occupiers was probably the only choice he really had at the time.
Still though, when Greece was liberated from the Turks, the English could have sent the marbles back in good faith and solidarity, but of course by the time Greece was liberated the English had already grown rather too fond of their new interesting and potentially moneymaking acquisitions to simply give them away, especially when they had such a good excuse for keeping them.
In short, this story may be interpreted as to have been actually helpful and protective towards the marbles at the start, which honestly could have been destroyed during the Greek revolutionary war(and later wars) had they stayed in Greece, but in my opinion the reason why the English kept them after Greece was freed has always been because of greed.
She says that it's ''beneficial to everybody'' to have the marbles in both places. What she really means is ''it's beneficial for us, we would hate to lose traffic, status and money from sending away some of our most prized possessions, that's why we're using the old legally ours excuse to try and convince people that we're right''(even though the deal that sent the Greek marbles to Great Britain was made with the Ottoman occupiers of Greece, and the Greeks who are the rightful owners of their own ancient cultural artifacts, heritage and history had no say in the matter).
Of course, I understand that the Greeks couldn't possibly have had a deciding say in the matter at the time even if they had wanted to because they were occupied, so if the ambassador wanted the marbles, negotiating with the occupiers was probably the only choice he really had at the time.
Still though, when Greece was liberated from the Turks, the English could have sent the marbles back in good faith and solidarity, but of course by the time Greece was liberated the English had already grown rather too fond of their new interesting and potentially moneymaking acquisitions to simply give them away, especially when they had such a good excuse for keeping them.
In short, this story may be interpreted as to have been actually helpful and protective towards the marbles at the start, which honestly could have been destroyed during the Greek revolutionary war(and later wars) had they stayed in Greece, but in my opinion the reason why the English kept them after Greece was freed has always been because of greed.
Eye Ball
NO !!!!!!!! ........ Journeyman why don't you do a video about how Islamic extremism is affecting your home country of Australia ?? .... Or how about the struggle of homosexuals to live in Iran ? ....
Charles-A Rovira
Greece should restore the frieze to its original state, complete with painting the frieze in the original colors. (The figures and animals were all painted.) I'd love to have a fully restored, scale-modeled 3D printed copy of the Parthenon. The only thing that Greece would have to make available is a copy of a .STL file.
Greece should restore the frieze to its original state, complete with painting the frieze in the original colors. (The figures and animals were all painted.) I'd love to have a fully restored, scale-modeled 3D printed copy of the Parthenon. The only thing that Greece would have to make available is a copy of a .STL file.
Rocky Do
Im a Brit and i don't think we should give them back yet, not on a moral basis but just think about this, who would preserve them better? Greece is in a major economic crisis and like with other relics from other nations, some middle eastern, african and asian nations may not have the economic, technological or national stability to preserve them so well for a prolonged period of time.
Not to mention the national history museum is free to visit...
Im a Brit and i don't think we should give them back yet, not on a moral basis but just think about this, who would preserve them better? Greece is in a major economic crisis and like with other relics from other nations, some middle eastern, african and asian nations may not have the economic, technological or national stability to preserve them so well for a prolonged period of time.
Not to mention the national history museum is free to visit...