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Post by Duško on May 28, 2019 17:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 14:45:43 GMT -5
2nd video is more about liberal extremism, not about liberalism. Also the host was annoying, agenda-run idiot.
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Post by Duško on May 30, 2019 18:58:33 GMT -5
2nd video is more about liberal extremism, not about liberalism. Also the host was annoying, agenda-run idiot. What you correctly describe as extreme-liberalism is simply liberalism here in the West. Put it this way; Today, a classical -liberal would be labeled as a conservative. The Kennedy-era Democrats would be Republicans today.
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Post by Duško on May 30, 2019 19:16:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 1:13:35 GMT -5
2nd video is more about liberal extremism, not about liberalism. Also the host was annoying, agenda-run idiot. What you correctly describe as extreme-liberalism is simply liberalism here in the West. Put it this way; Today, a classical -liberal would be labeled as a conservative. The Kennedy-era Democrats would be Republicans today. Well no. Just because some extremist groups hijacked the term doesn't mean it rightfully represent it, or decide who is what. Liberalism, in simplest terms, is about putting well-being of individual life ahead of the 'national interest', and when you repress another life just because of different opinion its not liberal. That's why I told you its a part of same intellectual vector as conservativism.
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Post by Duško on Jun 1, 2019 18:53:51 GMT -5
What you correctly describe as extreme-liberalism is simply liberalism here in the West. Put it this way; Today, a classical -liberal would be labeled as a conservative. The Kennedy-era Democrats would be Republicans today. Well no. Just because some extremist groups hijacked the term doesn't mean it rightfully represent it, or decide who is what. Liberalism, in simplest terms, is about putting well-being of individual life ahead of the 'national interest', and when you repress another life just because of different opinion its not liberal. That's why I told you its a part of same intellectual vector as conservativism. This is liberalism today in the West - the entire political spectrum has shifted Left whether we like it or not. It's not some extremist groups who are pushing a fringe narrative, it's all sectors of the establishment. From all forms of media, to academia and what universities are teaching today and messaging (music, movies/tv) in our culture here. This is New liberalism, and in contrast to Old liberalism, todays liberalism is really getting its' fuel from Marxism. This is how legislation like the introduction of new gender pronouns got introduced, laws now allowing children (as young as 6) to receive hormone treatment if they suffer from gender dysphoria and how any sort of speech criticizing this gets silenced and demonized. Just as how I explained to Brani how the term white people has evolved over the years and today means something totally different, the same has happened to the term liberal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 4:47:34 GMT -5
Well no. Just because some extremist groups hijacked the term doesn't mean it rightfully represent it, or decide who is what. Liberalism, in simplest terms, is about putting well-being of individual life ahead of the 'national interest', and when you repress another life just because of different opinion its not liberal. That's why I told you its a part of same intellectual vector as conservativism. This is liberalism today in the West - the entire political spectrum has shifted Left whether we like it or not. It's not some extremist groups who are pushing a fringe narrative, it's all sectors of the establishment. From all forms of media, to academia and what universities are teaching today and messaging (music, movies/tv) in our culture here. This is New liberalism, and in contrast to Old liberalism, todays liberalism is really getting its' fuel from Marxism. This is how legislation like the introduction of new gender pronouns got introduced, laws now allowing children (as young as 6) to receive hormone treatment if they suffer from gender dysphoria and how any sort of speech criticizing this gets silenced and demonized. Just as how I explained to Brani how the term white people has evolved over the years and today means something totally different, the same has happened to the term liberal. Yes it is, because the popular opinion in the part of the world ypu live in is being created by various influence groups in academia, politics, business and clergy. These politicians and academics are backed by activists and NGOs, funded by various business and religion groups. They created quasi-intellectual movements such as eco-fatalism (opinion that human kind is like cancer and to work properly we need reducement of human population). Its there to remove or replace right moral images of prosperity that brings along positive outcome globally for all people. Hence why you think liberal extremism is liberalism.
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Post by Duško on Jun 5, 2019 18:35:47 GMT -5
This is exactly right. I don't disagree with you on what is liberalism, that is not what this thread is. This is the destructive nature of ideology, you are defending the term from being hijacked and I am telling you it already has been hijacked, in the West.
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