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Post by Pyrros on Feb 18, 2021 16:12:06 GMT -5
Hey, ULF man,
how are Serbs at work generally? programmers, managers, etc.
better than bulgarians? equal? worse?
In greece, I cant take it any more with those ppl, i cannot live with this level of anarchy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 4:30:15 GMT -5
Hey, ULF man,
how are Serbs at work generally? programmers, managers, etc.
better than bulgarians? equal? worse?
In greece, I cant take it any more with those ppl, i cannot live with this level of anarchy.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean but it depends on the individual. I never worked with Bulgarians so I don't know them. I did worked with Greeks and I know they are not organized. Thankfully I didn't need to explain them anything, so it saved my nerves.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 19, 2021 15:20:25 GMT -5
example of life in Athenso :
I bring my car which suffers from a ancient anti-slav syndrom of always developing high temperatures ONLY in the balkans, NON-bulgaria territories (which means ONLY in MK/SRB/BIH), to a athenso workshop, I have written one page full of info, history of all incidents and all parts replaced with dates. I write in the end a possible cause with a hidden leak (crossover pipe) I discovered. I present the car with its OBD II HUP display which projects the coolant temp to the windshield as I drive. Which means at least that my temp sensor seems pretty sane by any means..... Or that temp sensor is the last culprit ...
And the athenso garbage ppl call and they tell me : problem found, your car is ready. ok, I was prepared to hear about the leak (crossover pipe)... But I heard them : we found that your temp "valve" was malfuntioning and we replaced it.... WAH? there is no temp valve, this is a temp sensor and it was working darn well!!! I paid those arbos 50 eur just to take my car back, and next morning I saw the sensor they put was a cheapo immitation of the good working one....
nice?
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 19, 2021 15:44:18 GMT -5
how common is a simiral behavior in Belgrad?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 16:12:48 GMT -5
Ah, I thought you were thinking about IT department.
I am really not sure. There are both good and bad, depending on the profession.
From what I know we got good car mechanics. I have a friend who's a very good mechanic so I always bring my car to his workshop, but I'm sure there are some mechanics that don't do good work. I got a friend who moved to Belgrade some years ago and he tried with a couple of mechanics until he found a good one.
On another hand we got pretty bad electricians, so once I found one guy who really know what he's doing I was happy, because I already hired another guy before him and he completely screwed all installations in my new house. I think the reason we got bad electricians mostly is because they left for Austria, Germany, Sweden etc.
Also construction workers are hard to find.
PS. Also I had to say, I hired twice Slovaks from Vojvodina (we got around 70k - 100k Slovaks in Serbia) to do some job for me. Both time they did AMAZING job. I was thrilled by the quality of work they did.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 20, 2021 6:50:06 GMT -5
interesting, what job did the Slovaks do?
Regarding mechanics in Athens, the chance to find a good one, who will not impose their position to you is zero. Generally to find a good one but selfish it is like 1/100 or so.
What I hate about the locals here is the ease that they lie (worst case which is also the average) and their inability to communicate (best case).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 10:10:44 GMT -5
interesting, what job did the Slovaks do?
Regarding mechanics in Athens, the chance to find a good one, who will not impose their position to you is zero. Generally to find a good one but selfish it is like 1/100 or so.
What I hate about the locals here is the ease that they lie (worst case which is also the average) and their inability to communicate (best case).
Slovaks did tiles in my bathroom and kitchen, and also cleaning the house. It shined, almost like a room in Buckingham palace after they did their work.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 20, 2021 11:45:17 GMT -5
It also depends on the quality of materials.
Anyways I air bled my car today and found a helluva air inside the cooling circuit : I wonder what those moronathensians did to my poor car.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 12:43:21 GMT -5
It also depends on the quality of materials.
Anyways I air bled my car today and found a helluva air inside the cooling circuit : I wonder what those moronathensians did to my poor car. No, in this case I hired this Slovak guy, and my aunt also needed similar work for one house she did and she hired another guy and we had very similar Italian tiles, high quality, so the material was good. It was simply expertise and devotion to details, and most importantly passion for your work. There are Serbs that do great jobs too.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 20, 2021 13:14:24 GMT -5
What I witnessed with Serbs is that they are communicative.
Anyways, question : how about Bosnians? Are they good with cars/electricity/masonry ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 13:22:16 GMT -5
What I witnessed with Serbs is that they are communicative.
Anyways, question : how about Bosnians? Are they good with cars/electricity/masonry ?
I don't know about electricity or masonry. Bosnians aren't bad masons, but Macedonians are excellent with masonry, better than Serbs.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 22, 2021 15:02:31 GMT -5
There is a certain vlaharbanian colleague of mine (which in simple terms means Athensonian - local Karagoun), who is crazy with leadership... he fantacizes with it ... tries to act like he is a manager ... LMAO.... I told my boss to not even dare to put the karagoun monkey higher than me in the hierarchy... this is unnatural.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 4:50:49 GMT -5
There is a certain vlaharbanian colleague of mine (which in simple terms means Athensonian - local Karagoun), who is crazy with leadership... he fantacizes with it ... tries to act like he is a manager ... LMAO.... I told my boss to not even dare to put the karagoun monkey higher than me in the hierarchy... this is unnatural.
Luckily I didn't had such folks in my career. But I am not manager, so I don't need to worry about that. If I were manager, I think I would be very difficult to work with because I demand work to be dealt perfectly and without reminding people about my expectations. I think if you are working with smart and reasonable people when you say something once it should be enough.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 23, 2021 9:37:12 GMT -5
There is a certain vlaharbanian colleague of mine (which in simple terms means Athensonian - local Karagoun), who is crazy with leadership... he fantacizes with it ... tries to act like he is a manager ... LMAO.... I told my boss to not even dare to put the karagoun monkey higher than me in the hierarchy... this is unnatural.
Luckily I didn't had such folks in my career. But I am not manager, so I don't need to worry about that. If I were manager, I think I would be very difficult to work with because I demand work to be dealt perfectly and without reminding people about my expectations. I think if you are working with smart and reasonable people when you say something once it should be enough.
with albgrecos I gotta say somethings 3-4 times PER DAY, and they forget it the day after.... total chaos... ... anarchy ....
this karagoun-vlah *demanded* (LMAO) to act like a proxy between me and some company I cooparate for 10 years, while he bypasses me all the time in my OWN DEPT....
arbanians.... worst kind .... hahaha but I am rigid, I know that If I want he will be going back to vlaho-land crying like a lil bitch
I am thinking of learning smth new and e.g. be a car mechanic ... in 1-2 years I will be really good I am smarter than 99.999% of them, otherwise learn some data science python, etc and try to land a job to feed the family in the (few years) I have till retirement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 13:06:38 GMT -5
Luckily I didn't had such folks in my career. But I am not manager, so I don't need to worry about that. If I were manager, I think I would be very difficult to work with because I demand work to be dealt perfectly and without reminding people about my expectations. I think if you are working with smart and reasonable people when you say something once it should be enough.
with albgrecos I gotta say somethings 3-4 times PER DAY, and they forget it the day after.... total chaos... ... anarchy ....
this karagoun-vlah *demanded* (LMAO) to act like a proxy between me and some company I cooparate for 10 years, while he bypasses me all the time in my OWN DEPT....
arbanians.... worst kind .... hahaha but I am rigid, I know that If I want he will be going back to vlaho-land crying like a lil bitch
I am thinking of learning smth new and e.g. be a car mechanic ... in 1-2 years I will be really good I am smarter than 99.999% of them, otherwise learn some data science python, etc and try to land a job to feed the family in the (few years) I have till retirement.
I decided not to work in mechanical engineering related industry (even though that's my specialization) because its too uncompetitive and low paid. Serbia is pretty uncompetitive market in general so only competitive companies are mostly foreign (yes, with a few exceptions, but they are exactly that - exceptions), and mostly in IT. So I can say in order to be mechanic I thought I didn't need any kind of school, you could learn that by experience and in like 2-3 years you can be pretty good. Regarding data science with Python, if you even had MATLAB, its kind of similar, maybe even easier. I do it occasionally, but mostly for sport and for myself. One of my main problems are even the kind of job I work is too simplistic for me and I don't like that because I like competing and winning, and also I would never work for companies that work on destroying our privacy like Amazon, Google, and similar (in fact I already declined over 20 job offers from such and similar companies). At least in this job I'm not badly paid and it has few pro's in comparison to other companies from the same branch in Serbia. If not I'd go freelancing.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 23, 2021 14:05:55 GMT -5
what's your specialty ?? its so cool you got those 20 job offers, I mean they interviewed you and then you declined? or just reached out to you via e.g. linked in but you declined from the very start? A job offer is at the final stage of the interview process AFAIK.
thing is, its hard for me to land a job, at this age.. the money I ask is astronomical and they regard me as burnt out and old. I think I will have to live side by side with the ath-arbinos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 14:52:32 GMT -5
what's your specialty ?? its so cool you got those 20 job offers, I mean they interviewed you and then you declined? or just reached out to you via e.g. linked in but you declined from the very start? A job offer is at the final stage of the interview process AFAIK.
thing is, its hard for me to land a job, at this age.. the money I ask is astronomical and they regard me as burnt out and old. I think I will have to live side by side with the ath-arbinos.
They initiated almost all of the offers. I don't remember ever applying for these companies. I declined even without trying, because I don't like what & how they do it. I'm trying to completely switch on my own soon, I want to be full-time self-employed.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 24, 2021 2:54:26 GMT -5
Cool. if you need any SQL, DB, design, systems arch, performance tuning, etc for some project in Serbia or elsewhere, just blow the wistle bro. Money is not a problem, as it was, so I'll be cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 9:12:07 GMT -5
Pyrros , by the way, I almost forgot to mention one reoccurring pattern among developers in Serbia, and even project managers and other IT workers have it. I don't know a single word for it so I'll explain a case. Testers from the local department (in office) report issue, but the issue is basically some esthetic thing that shouldn't even be reported, so it definitively should be canceled, and the developers team leader suggests to cancel it (dev lead obviously doesn't work on project), but the developers working on the project want to solve it (can't explain why, maybe they used some time trying to solve it, maybe something else, completely irrelevant and not understandable why would someone do that) even if the solution is very unscrupulous and hard to change in the current projects if its not working well or adapt to other projects, and will for sure affect other projects. The resolution: project manager, who is also not sure what to do, listens to the programmers working on the project, or the testers working on the project, but not the team lead. This bad decision creates cascade of same sort of issues in other projects, and once it reaches your project you have to go around and patch something that is not really a bug. That in turn drains you time you planned for something else, and you often don't get additional time for it. That's just bad software development, bad project management, and most of all bad decision making. In a way, that's some sort of national Serbian feature.
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Post by Pyrros on Feb 26, 2021 10:28:38 GMT -5
this mentality does not exist in Greece because we have no testing, no team lead (all are leaders in their own right), no project manager, no functional specs... no ethos to change anything (hence the lack of motivation to do anything about it, they know if they try anything they'll break smth else)
What you describe is an example of a "good" greek company.
anyway back to the problem : the chief architect of the product, ONE person should decide. If this (call him Project Manager) cannot have his way ANYWHERE in the project then he is incapable.
I try (among my greko beasts in my team) and fight everyday to retain this control, for a good reason : trust no one.
A very good american company rejected me (I passed the tech interview) because I anwered wrong to this questions :
A: would you trust the work of all your colleagues : me : are you kidding of course not, I always triple-check, thats what has made me so successful
A: is amazon or google "honest" companies
me : yep
A: if you screwed up but no one noticed would you say so openly, if there was no impact to the client? me : ehmmm I dunno, ehhmmm maybe I would discuss this with the director etcc
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