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Post by donnie on Mar 14, 2008 13:52:50 GMT -5
Basil
Where did I claim "racial purity" exactly?
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Post by Duke John on Mar 14, 2008 15:00:05 GMT -5
Donnie you should tell this guy that one of the basic traditional laws of albanians in marrying someone is what i know for shure in north albania and in kosova the tradition which at least use to be that you couldent marry someone from the same village,it was a strickt law!.
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Post by donnie on Mar 14, 2008 15:13:50 GMT -5
Ajo çfarë thashë për martesa inçestuoze te grekët është e vërtet. Për shembull, mbretëresha Kleopatra (me gjak greke) ishte e martuar me të vëllanë, Ptolemeun. Ky zakon ishte i përhapur te grekët ... gjë që shihet në vet mitologjinë greke, ku Zeusi, hyji i qiellit në mitologjinë greke, ishte i martuar me Herën, motrën e tij.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 15, 2008 15:45:12 GMT -5
Donnie... come on honey.... I've just pointed out some differencies between Greek and Albanian immigrants respectively. For example.. Greeks is the 1st commounity in university and batchelor degrees in Australia and US. Albanians... not. Greeks have NEVER formed any kind of Organised crime in ANY country they have migrated. Albanians have formed in almost ALL of the countries they have migrated Prisoners in Greece are around 10,000 people out of a population of 11,000,000 people Out of the tottal number of the prisoners, Albanians prisoners in Greece are around 4,500 people out of a tottal population of 600-800,000. The above states that most propably it was not just fortune or EU or whatever that Greece has improved its position in the international arena. It was the Greeks and the Greek culture/attitude that helped too... And dont forget that we speak about a country that has suffered 1/6 loses of its population during the WW2, we speak about a nation where Nazis have confiscated ALL the gold from our National Bank... and like that was not enough... we had a civil war for 5 years exactly after the end of WW2 with thousands loses of lives of young people. Even today... Greece spends one of the biggest percentage in the world for guns since as you understand.. having Turkey in the neighborhood its not an easy case..  So Donnie honey.... Greeks... didnt have the fortune on their side as you can easily see... but they had a strong culture. I dont speak about DNA... I speak about culture. To clarify to you... culture is when a mother says to her son "boy stealing is a bad think. You have to respect other people. Educate yourself"... instead of saying "son... get as much as you can. They have money you dont. Take it from them. They will not miss them" Culture is something that comes from the family and the ethics your family provides to you in order to keep up with your life in a nice and ethical way. Now... if you want to continue hunting gosts and blaiming the Greeks for everything.... that will not help you a lot. At least it didnt help you until now. Try other methods.. or at least... pray for a better lack and fortune 5 times a day. Allah al kbar! |
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 15, 2008 16:04:59 GMT -5
Basil..don't waste your breath it will take a miracle to break the centuries old inherited hate, kosovars have for Greeks... they know who they are and what they are capable of .....
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 15, 2008 17:05:16 GMT -5
I'm from Kosova and I don't hate the Greeks, on the contrary I try and make the case that Albanians of today and Greeks of today are the closest relatives in the Balkans and we should build on that, not become enemies.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 16, 2008 5:03:48 GMT -5
ilirdani... you must feel so lonely in Kossovo.. Usually... wherever you see people waving Turkish flags in demonstrations... there is some kind of hate for Greeks. That is how it is going. On the other hand.. I agree with you. |
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Post by sotneser on Mar 16, 2008 6:32:05 GMT -5
Basil..don't waste your breath it will take a miracle to break the centuries old inherited hate, kosovars have for Greeks... they know who they are and what they are capable of ..... hahaha...so now only Albanians from Kosova hate greeks, open your eyes mate, it doesn't work like that. However, I don't really hate anyone (apart from serbs, not all of them), hate is a strong word to use, however I just do not agree or more like dislike some of the greek actions (one for example is the soldiers singing against Albanians, the stabbing to death of the Albanian fan in greece etc) Just like in this case with this guy, basilmacedon, claiming that Albanians have no culture because we have a bad criminal reputation, also trying to point something out by including this “Allah al kbar, and pray 5 times a day”. WTF, why is that a concern of yours? If there are those that pray 5 times a day, what harm is it doing? |
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Post by donnie on Mar 16, 2008 14:51:23 GMT -5
Basil mouse
Talk about being uncapable of staying on track. I asked you a direct a question and you embark on a totally different journey.
You speak of a comparison between Albanian and Greek immigrants. I think you are being a little too narcissistic if you believe that all Greek immigrants have been and are honest as well as hardworking. Just as you are prejudiced if you lump together all Albanians by allowing a tiny minority of criminals represent us collectively. Therein lies your bigotry that disables you from seeing the truth and continue living in an illusion and a phony sense of superiority.
There are no reports, scientific that is, that proove that the Albanian community in Greece is extremely represented in crime statistics. A false picture drawn by the media isn't sufficient to proove your case, as it isn't a scientifically based study to label all criminals as 'Albanian' beforehand. Infact, our community in Greece has contributed to the Greek economy, so to speak of all this as a matter of charity is absurd and erroneous. Especially taking into consideration that you aren't where you are because of your 'hard work' and 'honorable' ways, but rather because, as I clarified earlier, the West wanted to consolidate the fragile democracy of Greece and alienate the Greeks from the communistic East ... with which it had cultural and religious ties (Orthodoxy).
So stop flattering yourself so much and open your eyes. You have been most fortunate in your recent history as opposed to Albania. But things might change.
Didn't know you were Muslim.
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Post by donnie on Mar 16, 2008 14:54:56 GMT -5
Basil..don't waste your breath it will take a miracle to break the centuries old inherited hate, kosovars have for Greeks... they know who they are and what they are capable of ..... Pfffft .... who are you trying to kid Kanaris? "Centuries old inherited hate"? LOL. We Albanians from Kosova didn't have contact with you ... so how could we have hated you for "centuries"? You are projecting a modern situation a little too far into history. Be careful with that. Albanians from Kosova became aware of the Greek factor with the emergence of nationalism in both our camps. Greek ambitions in Southern Albania created a general distaste for Greek chauvinism in ALL Albanian lands, not just Kosova. Infact, our feelings for the Greeks do not divert from those of other Albanians, so I do not know where you've gotten this idea of Kosovar Albanians being 'extra' spiteful towards the Greeks. Especially bearing in consideration that Kosova does not border Greece. Orthodox Albanians have a higher contempt for you than we do ... so stop being so prejudiced against us  |
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 17, 2008 16:08:59 GMT -5
Donnie "Basil mouse" ----------------------------- lol lol ... I call you honey.. and you call me mouse? I believe with that behavior... we'll never get married. lol lol "Talk about being uncapable of staying on track. I asked you a direct a question and you embark on a totally different journey." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No.. you spoke about fortune and stuff like that... and I have prooven that not only there is no fotune with Greece... but on the contrary there was much mizery. "You speak of a comparison between Albanian and Greek immigrants. I think you are being a little too narcissistic if you believe that all Greek immigrants have been and are honest as well as hardworking. Just as you are prejudiced if you lump together all Albanians by allowing a tiny minority of criminals represent us collectively. Therein lies your bigotry that disables you from seeing the truth and continue living in an illusion and a phony sense of superiority." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again you see what you want to see. I didnt speak about small criminals..... I spoke about ORGANISED CRIME. Mafia honey... mafia... There are no reports, scientific that is, that proove that the Albanian community in Greece is extremely represented in crime statistics. A false picture drawn by the media isn't sufficient to proove your case, as it isn't a scientifically based study to label all criminals as 'Albanian' beforehand. Infact, our community in Greece has contributed to the Greek economy, so to speak of all this as a matter of charity is absurd and erroneous. Especially taking into consideration that you aren't where you are because of your 'hard work' and 'honorable' ways, but rather because, as I clarified earlier, the West wanted to consolidate the fragile democracy of Greece and alienate the Greeks from the communistic East ... with which it had cultural and religious ties (Orthodoxy).So stop flattering yourself so much and open your eyes. You have been most fortunate in your recent history as opposed to Albania. But things might change. " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- again that fortune and good luck thing... I dont know what else should I bring as example... I wrote down some... I doubt you read them. Now.. I dont know if it will change or not... but I care less. I look forward.. not for the future mizery of my neighbors... Donie honey.... my state of mind does not contain the word "inferiority complex"... Quote:Allah al kbar "Didn't know you were Muslim. " -------------------------------------------------- I might become... maybe I can get some privilegesf from US and Turkey in addition with my fortune... |
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Post by donnie on Mar 18, 2008 11:04:17 GMT -5
It was never an option. I am not a fag like yourself |
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 18, 2008 14:02:28 GMT -5
Donnie,
Basili tha qe "ne kurre nuk do martohemi" duke iu referuar faktit qe as ai nuk do martohet (me ndonje vajze), as ti nuk do martohesh (me ndonje vajze), jo qe ju do martoheni me njeri-tjetrin...lol... ;D ;D te pakten une keshtu e kuptova...lol...lol...
gjithsesi, nuk besoj se ai e pati me te keq...lol...
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 18, 2008 14:20:16 GMT -5
Donnie "It was never an option. " --------------------------------------------- ...it was never an option?! ....I think I would die now!.... we were so close..... "I am not a f*g like yourself" ------------------------------------------- Most propably you're right for the "f*g perception"... I have been told that you're looking and speaking like a guy.... and that is why I want to marry you... lol lol I will search deeper in my soul .. lol lol |
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 18, 2008 15:48:33 GMT -5
Greket e Egjyptit e moren ket tradite nga Egjyptjanet.
I think Greek-Alb relations are amicable so long as the two are on equal footing and are facing one another. For instance, I know that my family's Greek friends are in the same occupation as my father and make the same amount. Generally, they consider each other equals, as being on the same economic and social status. Yet, when both turn around and enter their own respective communities, the insults begin. For instance among Alb friends who have close Greek friends it is common to hear derogatory remarks against the latter; while similarly so vice versa. I know d*mn well that the Greek friends I have have said nasty things about Albs, or have degraded Albs in some way amongst their group, its something I assume.
The more close an Albanian is to a Greek, the more he despises him I generally noticed this. South Albs are very similar to Greeks, yet they have a great distaste for Greeks. Just to give an example, an uncle of mine is Orthodox Christian and religious, yet when Turkish-Greek issues come up, he never misses a chance to attack Greeks and openly show support for Turkey. Contrarily, my Shkodran family members couldnt really give two hoots. Ironically, these Albs who have this kind of internal distaste also get along quite well with Greeks. The mentality seems to be: Greeks/Greece in general are bad, racist, annoying, chauvinistic, small, dark, fat... etc. etc. while individual Greeks are good and nice. I think its probably the same with Greeks vice versa.
I think Balkan people are naturally two-faced. I've seen it so very often. I have Turkish friends and know very well that they have made derogatory comments against Albs; while we all know how Albs react at the proposal that we somehow intermixed with Turks. Albs say they like Croatians yet at the same time are open about their distaste of Slavs.
Maybe not big ones, but even in the Alb mafia, a large number of names were Greek. Especially those who operated in the Astoria area. Many Greeks also, while not being part of the mafia, abetted the group for their own advantage. On top of that, I can tell you plenty of stories of Greek men going through shady deals to avoid taxation.
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Post by bordura on Mar 18, 2008 16:01:44 GMT -5
toskali
are u in astoria?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 18, 2008 16:07:44 GMT -5
 Hi Toskali, a very good point you made. I also would like to add that is mostly how people have been received when facing each-other and how they presented themselves back then. Albanians do not hate Greeks...only when they were discriminated by Greeks. Since most of the South Albanians have gone to Greece and have faced discrimination, is obvious that they would see Greeks with a kind of mistrust. Greeks....I can't speak for them; only for a few of them;
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 18, 2008 16:14:26 GMT -5
No, but I live there a while back and go there often... If you live near that area, Im by Parsons Blvd.
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Post by bordura on Mar 18, 2008 16:27:05 GMT -5
i'm in astoria on 31st and ditmars blvd
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Post by donnie on Mar 18, 2008 17:54:32 GMT -5
Donnie, Basili tha qe "ne kurre nuk do martohemi" duke iu referuar faktit qe as ai nuk do martohet (me ndonje vajze), as ti nuk do martohesh (me ndonje vajze), jo qe ju do martoheni me njeri-tjetrin...lol... ;D ;D te pakten une keshtu e kuptova...lol...lol... gjithsesi, nuk besoj se ai e pati me te keq...lol... Nuk dihet me grekun. Pederizmi ka qenë gjithmonë i përhapur atje  Traditën e inçestit? Nuk besoj. Mbaj mend se mbreti spartan Leonidha ishte i martuar me të mbesën e tij, Gorgon. Mbreti i qytetit të Halikarnasit, Mausoleu, ishte gjithashtu i martuar me të motrën, Artemisian. Kur vdiq Mausoleu, e motra/bashkëshortja ia ndërtoi një varr aq spektakular, saqë edhe tani kur kemi mendjen tek një ndërtesë madhështore, themi mauzole (mausoleum). Pra, nuk ishin vetëm ptolemenjtë që e praktikonin këtë "zakon" të degjeneruar. |
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Hi Toskali,