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Post by humbleman on Nov 7, 2007 14:52:42 GMT -5
And do add to that, I do believe that their wording borders on ethnic hatred, and isn't that what the Nazis did with unwanted populations: "just get rid of them".
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Post by superman on Nov 7, 2007 15:20:06 GMT -5
nice message from a competent man, you see all now, Romanians are very good in analysis.
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Post by diurpaneus on Nov 7, 2007 15:31:51 GMT -5
Yes. Good point Anittas.
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Post by radovic on Nov 7, 2007 16:00:59 GMT -5
So, they are sending the gypsies back. Those so called old democracies, who not long ago called upon us to integrate the Romas now violate their right of free movement !!! I expected more from them. Yes, you are right. The Italian response is totally unaccaptable bordering on the disgraceful! The fact is Western Europe (probably Italy too) always were putting Romania and other Eastern European countries down for their 'mistreatment' of gypsies: and how do they go on about solving the problem: that is right by deporting them. No doubt this is popular in Italy. Some people make a few "problems", and they decide to get rid of them. It won't be too long before they start gassing them! What I am really shocked about is the fact that the gypsies there started raping and murdering. Even in Romania they hardly do this, so I don't really know what the Italians did to them! Maybe it is the highly macho pride stance which they have taken which basically inflates their minorities. And as for Italians being brothers, please it has never been a fair relationship. Italy (and the Romans) since the beginning have always come here to rape Romania of her resources, so the true feelings of Romanians should be resentment and certainly not adoration (which many Romanians have). But yes, I do believe that this statement says it all: Italians are devotedly Catholic and don't have brotherly relations between themselves (Padanians (northern Italians) seem to have an absolute hatred for everything from the south of Italy). These simple facts show that Romanians and Italians can't have "Brotherly relations."
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Post by humbleman on Nov 7, 2007 16:42:07 GMT -5
Italians are devotedly Catholic and don't have brotherly relations between themselves (Padanians (northern Italians) seem to have an absolute hatred for everything from the south of Italy). These simple facts show that Romanians and Italians can't have "Brotherly relations." That is beside the point! I only raised it to counteract superman's post. The point is that this behaviour by the Italians is disgraceful, considering that they frequently accuse Romania and other Eastern European countries of racism towards their gypsies. I would like at least an apology from them.
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Post by almogavaro on Nov 7, 2007 18:14:02 GMT -5
Good points exposed by humbleman. It's easier to say or critizise something when you don't have the problem at home. But once it is, the things change. Sadly, and all the un-PC it may sound, there are some human groups, cultures, clans or whatever you want to call it that are more difficult to adapt or they just can't adapt to anything at all. And getting a little off-topic: nice message from a competent man, you see all now, Romanians are very good in analysis. Hahahaha, I swear man, the main reason I come to these forums is to read some of your lines, they are just hilarious.
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Post by superman on Nov 8, 2007 1:13:20 GMT -5
they are simply the facts, the reality that surrounds us every day
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 8, 2007 7:41:04 GMT -5
In which way? Is it wrong now to expel people who pose a threat to your country? Criminals out. Decent people can stay in. B.S. Italy has every right to expell foreign nationals especially if they are criminal. what is unnaceptable is that this seems to be used only against Romanians and not against all foreign nationals. Their are probablty more Senegali criminals in Italy then Romanians and nothing is done to them even though the majority are in Italy illegally. If some aliens are convicted, and if those aliens pose some threat to the host country citizens, then one could deport them on individual basis. However, one can not deport the citizens of a member state in masses based upon some allegations, or to please some racist hysteria. Have you heard of any group of American people deported from one state to another due to some crime executed by a few of them? That is not possible even in the USA. I will be glad if Turkey never joins to this institutional mess.
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Post by Ivanov on Nov 8, 2007 15:55:16 GMT -5
Yesterday, around a 100 BG gypsies were dispatched from France - the French say that they didn't force them out, but just bought them tickets and arranged the transport in order to help them return home;D
But, you Romanians went too far with Italy, you shouldn't press that much. You will spoil everything. We also granted Europe several hundred thousand of our finest gypsies, and really we don't want our present back
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Post by radovic on Nov 8, 2007 16:00:58 GMT -5
I'm against the Italian expulsions because like you say they're based on accusations and they seem to be illegally oriented to the people of 1 country. If Italy is going to expel foreigners it should be: 1. Criminals. 2. Applied to all regardless of citizenship.
furthermore. the analogy between EU and U.S.A. is worng since U.S. is a country while the EU is a supranational federation. The rules that apply to countries do not apply to U.S. states but they would to EU members.
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Post by radovic on Nov 8, 2007 16:02:35 GMT -5
Yesterday, around a 100 BG gypsies were dispatched from France - the French say that they didn't force them out, but just bought them tickets and arranged the transport in order to help them return home;D But, you Romanians went too far with Italy, you shouldn't press that much. You will spoil everything. We also granted Europe several hundred thousand of our finest gypsies, and really we don't want our present back Well if what the french claim is true then i guess the Germans didn't dispatch Jews to concentration camps instead "they were bought tickets and they went on vacation." Clearly hitlerian logic is coming back to europe. 1 more reason to be out of the EU.
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Post by superman on Nov 9, 2007 12:27:57 GMT -5
Radovic, very nice remark I think you're very friendly with Romania and Romanians, tell me why?
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Post by radovic on Nov 9, 2007 16:04:42 GMT -5
Radovic, very nice remark I think you're very friendly with Romania and Romanians, tell me why? No major disputes between Serbs and Romanians. I support Romanians on their issues like Moldavia (we have our own Moldavia's). Also, romanians are our neighbours and they are Orthodox. Not only that a minority of Serbs are of Vlach origins, just like Romanians. Also, we have shared common enemies in history and will in the future. Furthermore. When it comes to the Italian expulsions I'm anti-hypocracy and anti-idiocy and anti-discrimination. It is clear that Italiies actions are hypocritic, idiotic and discriminatory and also baseless.
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Post by superman on Nov 10, 2007 1:46:09 GMT -5
Yes, Romanians are orthodox like Serbs Yeah, Italians were exasperated because of the high numbers of gypsies...
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Post by Red Brigade on Nov 16, 2007 13:00:25 GMT -5
This puzzles me too. Fact is that in thier own languge they don`t have a word for "property"/"private property". Being a nomadic people, everything was shared, thus they don`t understand the concept of private property. Really? I am beginning to like them.
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Post by humbleman on Nov 16, 2007 15:24:23 GMT -5
EU law clearly states that people can only be deported if it was proven that they did something wrong, and as a result guilt by association should be frowned upon (i.e. you should not be deported if your mate or your brother has done the crime), let alone targeting a whole ethnic group. This is why the Italian approach is clearly racist and unacceptable, as can be seen here: Franco Frattini, the European Commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security, said: "What has to be done is simple. Go into a nomad camp in Rome for example, and ask them: 'Can you tell me where you live?'"If they say they do not know, take them and send them home to Romania. That is how the European directive works. It is simple and safe. Romania cannot say they will not take them back, because it is an obligation that is part of being a member state of the EU.'' He also urged Italy to pull down the camps to prevent any Romanians from returning.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 19, 2007 4:53:10 GMT -5
furthermore. the analogy between EU and U.S.A. is worng since U.S. is a country while the EU is a supranational federation. The rules that apply to countries do not apply to U.S. states but they would to EU members. Yes, but is gives you the idea about the pitfalls of the EU even without knowing them in details.
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Post by radovic on Nov 19, 2007 15:39:35 GMT -5
Italy deports 117 Romanians November 19, 2007 RO ROME, Italy -- Authorities have ordered 117 Romanian nationals to leave the country, local media reported on Sunday (November 18th). Officials say the expats have criminal records and are believed to pose a threat to Italy's security. Several dozen Romanians have already been deported, while others awaiting flights back are in detention camps. The Italian government adopted a decree two weeks ago to allow the removal of EU nationals who pose a threat to national security. The move followed the murder of an Italian woman, allegedly by a Romanian Gypsy. Source: SETimes
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Post by superman on Nov 20, 2007 1:37:40 GMT -5
what is 117 from 2,5 millions?
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 20, 2007 2:03:17 GMT -5
Italians must be ashamed for deporting the fellow Romanians.
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